CCSA meets today to extend Covid measures, or ease restrictions

[Thaiger]

Today’s meeting of Thailand’s peak Covid organisations will decide the continuation, or the juggling, of restrictions as the CCSA and government departments grapple with country’s steady, but worrisome, increases in both new infections and deaths over the past month. Currently, 29 provinces are Dark Red Zones, classified as the maximum and strict controlled area designation. The CCSA will meet today and decide if they will extend the current lockdown measures. The extension of the Red Zones, with the highest levels of restrictions and curfews, have been ramped up over the past month but have seen a steady rise in both […]

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[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

.....or maybe they'll just order out for lunch, chit chat for an hour or so, and then extend restrictions another 30 days. Then pat themselves on the back and go get massages in some backroom at a closed nightclub......

[EdwardV]

If they truly want to increase tourism, they need to decrease the risk. Only quality (read not Chinese or Russian) vaccines will be accepted, and drop the test upon arrival and afterward. Only fully vaccinated tourists with a quality vaccine and pre flight test. People will be more than happy to come again. 

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

28 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

If they truly want to increase tourism, they need to decrease the risk. Only quality (read not Chinese or Russian) vaccines will be accepted, and drop the test upon arrival and afterward. Only fully vaccinated tourists with a quality vaccine and pre flight test. People will be more than happy to come again. 

I imagine that most countries are just waiting for guidance from the IATA. My guess is that short time the IATA will require vaccination for foreign travel, just like the US is going to do. Once the IATA actually makes a decision, then the pressure and liability will be lifted for countries who don't want to plow ahead on their own.

[Abertillery]

Re open malls and stores is a recipe for disaster just as travelling for songkran, hold tight for a while 

[9S_]

What tourists will travel here? Flights are still expensive. Other countries are still facing surges of this virus. 

[Freeduhdumb]

Everyone on this planet is meant to suffer until those who will benefit from a majority of vaccine compliance get what they want. Until Thailand meets 'their' expectations, Thailand will suffer. 

[HolyCowCm]

It seems at this point everything is a recipe for disaster because of the you know who. Turn one way and whammo. Turn the other way and kablammo. Shame that greed had to ever come into the play book.

[palooka]

1 hour ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

I imagine that most countries are just waiting for guidance from the IATA. My guess is that short time the IATA will require vaccination for foreign travel, just like the US is going to do. Once the IATA actually makes a decision, then the pressure and liability will be lifted for countries who don't want to plow ahead on their own.

IATA will follow US lead, vaccination or no fly, many employers will require same to provide a safe workplace and avoid the courts. No vaxxers stay home and unemployed.

[AdamX]

We need to start publishing the  data directly related to the results of lockdown including

• Deaths caused by deferred doctor visits
• Repercussion on other diseases
• Mental Illness
•  Inability to be hospitalized for serious diseases,
• Number of vaccine injuries
• Jobless,
• Homeless
• Businesses Shuttered
• Economic impact in monetary terms
• Human Rights
• Number of people who have natural immunity

Lets challenge government to give us the complete data and not the meaningless number of cases.

I believe when we put these metrics side by side, any reasonable person—who is not on the c19 gravy train—will hang their heads in shame

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by AdamX
Added extra bullet item

[MrStretch]

They aren't going to change anything.

They've already made up their minds, and you can see that by talking about the percentage of people saved by lockdowns.

They won't change a thing.

30 more days of Emperor Prayut and his Band of Merry Idiots.

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

11 minutes ago, MrStretch said:

They aren't going to change anything.

Maybe move Phuket into Red zone as it now has same numbers as provinces in those zones. Or make the red zone provinces the same as Phuket. Both of which I think I will borrow your quote.

[Sirquest]

I really dislike the bashing to Chinese and Russian vaccines.

They worked effectively against the original strain of the virus!

Millions of lives where saved.

Sadly, the virus changed the rules of the game by mutating.

That doesn't make their work low quality!!

Just no longer effective enough against the D variants.

In UK people get (third) booster shot of Astra zenica.

Low quality also? Probably..

And when E, F or G mutation arrives and the Moderna isn't effective enough, we call it also bad?

Perhaps we can claim free booster shots as they have a lot higher costs then the China/Russian type.

 

[richard]

Maybe they will sack themselves and get someone who has more of an idea what to do ! What these people are doing now dosn't seem to be working.

[Nat]

1 hour ago, AdamX said:

We need to start publishing the  data directly related to the results of lockdown including

• Deaths caused by deferred doctor visits
• Repercussion on other diseases
• Mental Illness
•  Inability to be hospitalized for serious diseases,
• Number of vaccine injuries
• Jobless,
• Homeless
• Businesses Shuttered
• Economic impact in monetary terms
• Human Rights
• Number of people who have natural immunity

Lets challenge government to give us the complete data and not the meaningless number of cases.

I believe when we put these metrics side by side, any reasonable person—who is not on the c19 gravy train—will hang their heads in shame

Agreed 100%. But these fools just keep pulling these virus projections out of thin air.

The only virus stats that really matter to me is numbers of deaths of the perfectly healthy with no previous medical conditions broken down by age group and the hospital ICU/Bed availability. The Covid infections number is designed to instill fear and control.

In the meantime we have long starvation / long government not allowing people to earn a living while providing pathetic and inadequate financial support /  long destruction of small business / growing bankruptcies / and increasing anger and hopelessness - the CCSA does not seem to track these stats. 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Nat

[JackIsAGoodBoy]

India is holding steady at 40K daily cases. That would be 2000 cases in Thailand. Abolish the restrictions and give home medical kits with Ivermectin to every infected and nearby people.

Edited August 15, 2021 by JackIsAGoodBoy

[MikeW]

The first thing they need to do is get rid of the requirement to have food delivered instead of letting people pick it up their selves 

[Aldaz]

Open the parks! So people can keep themselves healthy. Limit walking and running groups to three persons. Same with stationary groups with safe distancing. COVID does not like fresh air and sunlight. Keeping the parks open is obviously the right thing to do.

[Soidog]

2 hours ago, 9S_ said:

What tourists will travel here? Flights are still expensive. Other countries are still facing surges of this virus. 

I agree with the suggestion that very few (if any) genuine tourists would want to go to Thailand right now. However, I couldn’t claim it’s because of expensive flights. Certainly not from Europe. I can get a return trip to Phuket with a single stop over in the Middle East for £550. That’s normal pre-pandemic prices. Plus it’s a fully flexible ticket. For Europeans it’s not the airfare. It’s not even the 14 days on the island that’s the problem. It’s the 5 PCR tests/person for a return trip that’s required. That adds at least £500 (same as the flight almost) to your “holiday” . It’s also the issue of what is open when you get there.
 

Thailand along with many other long haul destinations won’t see tourist numbers increase until they drop the tests for fully vaccinated and pre-flight PCR tested arrivals, along with easing lockdowns in the sandbox. 
 

I read today that the TAT are pressing for a 7+7 plan to allow sandbox arrivals to travel to destinations after 7 days who are operating similar schemes. They are totally out of touch if they think this will help. You have just gone through all the hoops of paperwork and PCR tests to get there. Waited in a hotel for your arrival PCR results, and six days later going to do it all again when you travel to an island like Samui or Phi Phi???
 

It is hard to fathom how a group of people who’s sole job is to fully understand the tourist market mindset, needs and requirements, can be so out of touch.  I’ve been coming to Thailand for over 25 years. In that time, the only time I’ve been asked to complete a survey or asked any questions about tourism was by a couple of university students doing a survey for their homework. TAT never ask for feedback to departing or arriving “tourists”. 

[Soidog]

2 hours ago, AdamX said:

We need to start publishing the  data directly related to the results of lockdown

I agree that having such data would show the impact of lockdown and it is data we should have in order to learn lessons. However, it’s wrong to then put that data along side the Covid data and suggest as you do, that they would hang their head in shame. How can you compare the data? If the lockdowns and it’s associated data hadn’t happened, the Covid serious illness, deaths and long term suffering from “long Covid” could be 10 or 20 times worse. It’s like comparing how many people get wet when using an umbrella compared to injuring their hand while trying to open it. 

[walker]

Bye the way Soidog...3 covid Tests are 8000 Thb ...I just paid it last week

[Stonker]

2 hours ago, AdamX said:

We need to start publishing the  data directly related to the results of lockdown including

• Deaths caused by deferred doctor visits
• Repercussion on other diseases
• Mental Illness
•  Inability to be hospitalized for serious diseases,
• Number of vaccine injuries
• Jobless,
• Homeless
• Businesses Shuttered
• Economic impact in monetary terms
• Human Rights
• Number of people who have natural immunity

As is obvious to "any reasonable person" with at least one functioning brain cell it's not possible for data to be isolated by individual cause due to the unavoidable overlap, but it's relatively easy to put a bracketed answer based on known facts to all of those:

 

1.Deaths caused by deferred doctor visits.

Between none and very few.  The only "doctor visits" that have been "deferred" will have been by specialists from one hospital to hospitals outside their province.

2.Repercussion on other diseases. 

The excess death rate in Thailand dropped last year as there were fewer deaths due to flu (90% less) and other transmissable diseases due to mask wearing and increased hygiene, as well as fewer deaths due to RTAs.

3. Mental illness.  Informed estimates are up by as much as 10%.

4. Inability to be hospitalized for serious diseases. 

Minimal in Thailand, so far, but considerable elsewhere - a disaster with waiting lists in the UK.

Without lockdowns and with increased Covid cases the situation would obviously have been far worse.

5. Number of vaccine injuries.

Considerably less than 1 in 100,000 or between 0.001 and 0.0001%.

6. Jobless.

Considerable, at least one million. Without lockdowns and with increased cases, numbers would probably have been similar, arguably considerably worse.

7. Homeless.

As for 6.

8. Businesses shuttered.

As for 6.

9. Economic impact in monetary terms.

As for 6.

 

10. Human Rights.

Human rights can't be quantified, but for most "reasonable" people the loss of individual rights has to be balanced against responsibility to the community and arguably lockdowns have highlighted how much that responsibility was being eroded.

11. Number of people who have natural immunity.

Obviously natural immunity would have been higher but equally obviously so would deaths, hospitalisations, damage to businesses, etc, as they're directly related. Twice as many with natural immunity means twice as many deaths, etc.

It's arguable if that could be justified, since some vaccines can give at least as much protection - in some cases more, with variants.

2 hours ago, AdamX said:

I believe when we put these metrics side by side, any reasonable person—who is not on the c19 gravy train—will hang their heads in shame

 

 

Well, do so then.

 

Put them side by side - lockdowns vs your solution, which like the rest of your merry band is to pretend that there isn't a problem as you have no solution.

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, JackIsAGoodBoy said:

India is holding steady at 40K daily cases. That would be 2000 cases in Thailand. Abolish the restrictions and give home medical kits with Ivermectin to every infected and nearby people.

But India hasn't "abolished the restrictions" .

 

The drop in case numbers in India may coincide with increased Invermectin use in some states, but it also coincides with increased and stricter lockdowns in all states that had high numbers!

[Smithydog]

3 hours ago, AdamX said:

We need to start publishing the  data directly related to the results of lockdown including

I would like that too however I see 2 problems. One is that it seems some of that data hasn't been collected yet to allow a responsible and accurate analysis on. It doesn't mean we shouldn't start. Just that you will need time to collect a reasonable amount before any of it would become convincing.

The 2nd issue is how the count of measures and the quality of their enforcement impacted such measures when compared to the impact on cases. How can we separate the actual effects of one measure in terms of success or not when multiple measures are often in operation at the same time?

A control group would likely be needed to verify the findings and would be subject to the same issues of monitoring enforcement of non-compliance with the measure 24/7. Who would prove the outcome? Certainly not us. After all, judging by some recent posts, we are struggling as a group of people on a forum to reach any sort of consensus about how to word the influence or not of Covid-19 on the death of a 102 year old lady!

[Luigi]

24 minutes ago, walker said:

Ciao a proposito Soidog...3 test covid sono 8000 Thb...l'ho appena pagato la scorsa settimana

in italy rt-pcr test before leaving 40 € in Phuket each test about 70 €.  plucking tourists like chickens