News Forum - Israel’s supply cut reveals state’s cruel, dehumanising intentions towards Palestine

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Yes, It’s long since become the United Crap Nations.Tyrant Dominated.
Corrupt & Anti - Semitic to its core 

Time to form a separate United Free Nations in opposition. 

However that stupid Barrister ( proof they can exist !) is talking rubbish about Israel, a free western democratic defensive nation, being comparable to Russia an aggressive unfree tyranny .

I see the usual tyrant aggression apologists have been flushed out here. 
Hanas support included then no doubt? Disgraceful & Unworthy. 
Well we have sell-out “ human rights” Barristers unable to distinguish good from evil  ….
and 500k murder- supporter demonstrators in UK that need a water cannon then deportation. 

[Thaidup]

All of you living in Europe, get ready.

The next wave of Arab/Muslim refugees, is coming.

Its obvious that Arab countries don't receive/accept refugees that follow the same religion, given the last 20 years of turmoil in Northern Africa, The Middle East etc.

So if you own your own home and can afford to set up in South East Asia, get out now.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, Thaidup said:

All of you living in Europe, get ready.

The next wave of Arab/Muslim refugees, is coming.

Its obvious that Arab countries don't receive/accept refugees that follow the same religion, given the last 20 years of turmoil in Northern Africa, The Middle East etc.

So if you own your own home and can afford to set up in South East Asia, get out now.

It will not happen in UK where a massive backlash to mass immigration is building up.

Started with the 600k net immigration figure into UK last year. This proved beyond any doubt that UK Govt. has been lying to the electorate now for ten years promising to get immigration below 100k annually down from 250-300k then. Points based Imm. System introduced after 2019  election with 80 seat majority.

Instead it’s DOUBLED in four years. People no longer care if it’s legal  or not it’s out of control deliberately and it’s got to STOP. Let’s wait to see these demonstrators disrespect our Fallen on Saturday at the Cenotaph.

That march should be Banned but Politicians won’t act. We need Water Cannon to simply break up such huge hostile anti semitic / anti- White Illegal hate demos. Then Deportations must follow Criminal Convictions. 

HELL will very soon  descend on all UK Muslims and their idiot acolytes. Enough is Enough. Pathetic Muslim “ Leaders” & Communities are simply going along with every Extremist event on our streets now. 
 
National Election next year will hopefully see Reform Party forming a Proper Conservative Govt. to enact these necessary measures. The Indigenous British People were never consulted on Mass Immigration and their interests are Paramount not Immigrants.

[Vigo]

 

Yes, it would be wonderful to have a ceasefire. However, what would be the purpose?

Usually these  ceasefires are intended to help civilians , but Hamas is refusing to allow Gazans to leave battle zones. It gave its own fighters priority over  non combatants.

 1. Hamas has  attempted to use the humanitarians to smuggle out its own fighters and key personnel.    Hamas tried to sneak its fighters out of the Gaza Strip in ambulances that evacuated dozens of wounded Palestinians to Egypt earlier this week, a senior Biden administration official said Friday. Hamas had compiled a list of the seriously wounded that it wanted to evacuate from Gaza for treatment in Egypt, along with thousands of foreign nationals looking to flee the enclave. The list was then vetted by Egypt and the United States, which found that a third of the names on it were of Hamas fighters, the administration official said, adding that the list was rejected.  Hamas put wounded fighters on departure lists, delaying efforts to evacuate foreigners, a U.S. official says.https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/world/middleeast/hamas-gaza-evacuees-rafah-crossing.htmlhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/hamas-fighters-evacuation-lists-stop-wounded-palestinians/

 2. Hamas has previously used and is using ambulances as transport for its military personnel. The most recent IDF incident involves the targeting one “ambulance”.  The IDF states that it had identified ambulances as being used by a Hamas terrorist cell in close proximity to their position in the battle zone. The IDF said it had “information which demonstrates that Hamas’ method of operation is to transfer terror operatives and weapons in ambulances.” It said further information about the incident would be made available, but that the IDF had already shared more details with intelligence agencies it works with. So far no  denial from  French, US, UK etc. intelligence services.

 3. Hamas intends to use the aid convoys to resupply its own military units.    On Saturday, The Times of Israel reported that Israeli inspectors had uncovered several “oxygen concentrators” for use in Hamas’s tunnel network hidden in food supplies on an aid truck earlier in the week. “These weren’t for use in the hospitals, but below them. That’s why they were smuggled among boxes of cookies,” said one of two senior Israeli officials who briefed the newspaper on the incident. They added that the entire truck in which the oxygen concentrators were found was barred from entering Gaza.

 4. What’s in it for Israel? Will the hostages be released. Why not? Why does Hamas expect a gesture of goodwill, when it will not show goodwill itself?  Instead, Hamas has made clear that it will continue to attack Israel, It’s own spokesman said that a few weeks ago.    https://youtu.be/PlJFzeTrHg8?si=R_KDRKdGkXzLiw3v

 

[Fanta]

56 minutes ago, Vigo said:

Hamas has  attempted to use the humanitarians to smuggle out its own fighters and key personnel. 

So Hamas is not fighting fair? lol…  I’d take them and if they somehow miraculously survived their inevitable medical “emergency” I’d throw them in jail. 

[Fanta]

59 minutes ago, Vigo said:

Hamas intends to use the aid convoys to resupply its own military units

“Jordan Airdrops ‘Urgent Medical Aid’ Into Gaza As UN Agencies Demand Immediate Humanitarian Ceasefire”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/11/06/jordan-airdrops-urgent-medical-aid-into-gaza-as-un-agencies-demand-immediate-humanitarian-ceasefire/amp/ 

[TheDirtyDurian]

4 hours ago, oldschooler said:

It will not happen in UK where a massive backlash to mass immigration is building up.

Started with the 600k net immigration figure into UK last year. This proved beyond any doubt that UK Govt. has been lying to the electorate now for ten years promising to get immigration below 100k annually down from 250-300k then. Points based Imm. System introduced after 2019  election with 80 seat majority.

Instead it’s DOUBLED in four years. People no longer care if it’s legal  or not it’s out of control deliberately and it’s got to STOP. Let’s wait to see these demonstrators disrespect our Fallen on Saturday at the Cenotaph.

That march should be Banned but Politicians won’t act. We need Water Cannon to simply break up such huge hostile anti semitic / anti- White Illegal hate demos. Then Deportations must follow Criminal Convictions. 

HELL will very soon  descend on all UK Muslims and their idiot acolytes. Enough is Enough. Pathetic Muslim “ Leaders” & Communities are simply going along with every Extremist event on our streets now. 
 
National Election next year will hopefully see Reform Party forming a Proper Conservative Govt. to enact these necessary measures. The Indigenous British People were never consulted on Mass Immigration and their interests are Paramount not Immigrants.

Errr... Deport who, and to where?

Reform party

Uncomfortable truth about immigration in the UK for many. 

Aging population, low birth rate. UK needs immigration to pay for your pension!!!

Figures of last year skewed quite a bit by Ukrainian refugees and Hong Kongers btw. 

Don't worry, Brexit will make UK great again!!

[ChicagoExpat]

19 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Catholic Church no doubt started with excellent intentions although based on complete bs re.  “ miracles”, turn- the- other -cheek , son of god , all - are- sinners weirdo nonsense. Would have remained an obscure cult like Mormons but inexplicably given lift off when made the state religion of Roman Empire by Emperor Constantine overnight , Then when relocating to Rome, in conjunction with Crusades and later European Colonialism, swiftly became a Global Business of Money Making, Political Power - Generation and Authoritarian Population Control.1st Global Corporation !

They even “ divided” the World outside Europe between Spain & Portugal under Catholicism.

Japs went crazy when finding that out and killed/ expelled all the lice- ridden stinking Priests ! 

Koran a demonstrated “ cut and paste” from Torah and Old Testament. Hinduism simply preposterous.

Buddhism perhaps more a Philosophy or Way of Life than a Religion but has all the religious trappings like Priests, Temples  and Heaven / Hell. Different in that nothing forbidden. More “ actions have consequences” .

The OldFart has spoken!  Amen!

[Smiler]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

The OldFart has spoken!  Amen!

What exactly did he say in his comment that isn’t true? If you are going to comment on somebody’s post at least be sensible and ditch the childish insults. 

[ChicagoExpat]

53 minutes ago, Smiler said:

What exactly did he say in his comment that isn’t true? If you are going to comment on somebody’s post at least be sensible and ditch the childish insults. 

What exactly did he say that WAS true?  I'd say my comment has exactly the merit his does.  OldFart/Schooler has a long history of devoting entire posts to insulting me in absurd ways; "OldFart" is a pretty gentle response to his invective.

Given some of your posts I'm not convinced you're the guy to tell me how to work the internet.

[Smiler]

48 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

What exactly did he say that WAS true?  I'd say my comment has exactly the merit his does.  OldFart/Schooler has a long history of devoting entire posts to insulting me in absurd ways; "OldFart" is a pretty gentle response to his invective.

Given some of your posts I'm not convinced you're the guy to tell me how to work the internet.

He was commenting on how religion (all religions) are man made with the sole intention of controlling the people, this is the 21st century not the Middle Ages we know so much more now and should put these so called gods into the litter box the same as Zeus, Thor, Osiris etc, what is untrue about any of that? 

[Khunmark]

10 hours ago, oldschooler said:

It will not happen in UK where a massive backlash to mass immigration is building up.

Started with the 600k net immigration figure into UK last year. This proved beyond any doubt that UK Govt. has been lying to the electorate now for ten years promising to get immigration below 100k annually down from 250-300k then. Points based Imm. System introduced after 2019  election with 80 seat majority.

Instead it’s DOUBLED in four years. People no longer care if it’s legal  or not it’s out of control deliberately and it’s got to STOP. Let’s wait to see these demonstrators disrespect our Fallen on Saturday at the Cenotaph.

That march should be Banned but Politicians won’t act. We need Water Cannon to simply break up such huge hostile anti semitic / anti- White Illegal hate demos. Then Deportations must follow Criminal Convictions. 

HELL will very soon  descend on all UK Muslims and their idiot acolytes. Enough is Enough. Pathetic Muslim “ Leaders” & Communities are simply going along with every Extremist event on our streets now. 
 
National Election next year will hopefully see Reform Party forming a Proper Conservative Govt. to enact these necessary measures. The Indigenous British People were never consulted on Mass Immigration and their interests are Paramount not Immigrants.

I’m a bit confused. You’re always banging on about the ‘free’ western nations and the  ‘unfree’ Arab nations. May I remind you, one the cornerstones of a free democracy such as the UK is the right of peaceful assembly. And yet you want to deport all pro Palestine protesters. We can only assume that the freedom you envisage is one that can only be exercised by those with the same political leanings as yourself. That’s not free. Fortunately to date the UK has resisted such populists demands.

[ChicagoExpat]

15 minutes ago, Smiler said:

He was commenting on how religion (all religions) are man made with the sole intention of controlling the people, this is the 21st century not the Middle Ages we know so much more now and should put these so called gods into the litter box the same as Zeus, Thor, Osiris etc, what is untrue about any of that? 

I knew this was your actual issue with my post, not defending the poor old guy.

Let's go ahead and take the first claim -- that "all religions are man made with the sole intention of controlling people."  Go ahead and back up his (and now your) assertion that this is true.

[Smiler]

8 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

I knew this was your actual issue with my post, not defending the poor old guy.

Let's go ahead and take the first claim -- that "all religions are man made with the sole intention of controlling people."  Go ahead and back up his (and now your) assertion that this is true.

This could go really off topic, but are you really trying to tell me there is such a thing as god? I believe in science and everything it has taught us including evolution which is a scientific fact, it’s all around us if you choose to see, in contrast which of the many gods is the one you believe in? What do you base your belief on? Some old holy book that has absolutely no basis in fact and nobody knows who wrote it? 

[ChicagoExpat]

5 minutes ago, Smiler said:

This could go really off topic, but are you really trying to tell me there is such a thing as god? I believe in science and everything it has taught us including evolution which is a scientific fact, it’s all around us if you choose to see, in contrast which of the many gods is the one you believe in? What do you base your belief on? Some old holy book that has absolutely no basis in fact and nobody knows who wrote it? 

Yes, I am.  I also "believe in science".  And evolution.  There is no contradiction between being a theist and "believing in science" -- a dumb phrase that has become politicized, but I think I get what you mean.

Are you really saying that everything just appeared?  That matter appeared out of nowhere?  That God can't exist in the 99.99999999999999999999% of the universe that you know nothing about?  Agnosticism makes sense to me -- atheism does not, and the evangelical atheism that we see so much of today, including in this topic, is as obnoxious as anything a "Bible thumper" would produce.

Have there been abuses by religious people?  Of course.  What is life like in those societies that HAVE purged religion and religious people -- per you they should be wonderful, right?  All the superstitions gone, with "science" reigning supreme?  They were and are Hell on earth.

 

[Khunmark]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yes, I am.  I also "believe in science".  And evolution.  There is no contradiction between being a theist and "believing in science" -- a dumb phrase that has become politicized, but I think I get what you mean.

Are you really saying that everything just appeared?  That matter appeared out of nowhere?  That God can't exist in the 99.99999999999999999999% of the universe that you know nothing about?  Agnosticism makes sense to me -- atheism does not, and the evangelical atheism that we see so much of today, including in this topic, is as obnoxious as anything a "Bible thumper" would produce.

Have there been abuses by religious people?  Of course.  What is life like in those societies that HAVE purged religion and religious people -- per you they should be wonderful, right?  All the superstitions gone, with "science" reigning supreme?  They were and are Hell on earth.

Yes. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Many of the great philosophers were also men of faith. I’m not a person of faith but there are sufficient people on the planet that are,  to support the idea that spirituality is an inherent part of what it means to be human.

[ChicagoExpat]

3 minutes ago, Khunmark said:

Yes. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Many of the great philosophers were also men of faith. I’m not a person of faith but there are sufficient people on the planet that are,  to support the idea that spirituality is an inherent part of what it means to be human.

Exactly.  The men who founded the modern scientific age were nearly all men of faith -- Bacon, Newton, Copernicus, Lavoisier, Faraday, Mendel, Heisenberg, Fleming, Kepler, Galileo, Linnaeus, Joule -- and not just in a "most people back then were kind of religious" way.

[Vigo]

12 hours ago, Fanta said:

“Jordan Airdrops ‘Urgent Medical Aid’ Into Gaza As UN Agencies Demand Immediate Humanitarian Ceasefire”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/11/06/jordan-airdrops-urgent-medical-aid-into-gaza-as-un-agencies-demand-immediate-humanitarian-ceasefire/amp/ 

I expect that it was done with Israeli agreement. The Jordanians are the last country to support Hamas, considering that the largest death toll of Palestinians was at the hands of the Jordanian army during the September 1970  war to remove the Palestinian Fedayeen fighters.

An amusing bit of trivia is that the head of a Pakistani training mission to Jordan, Brigadier Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (later Chief of Army Staff and President of Pakistan),  personally led Jordanian troops during several of the key battles that forced the palestinians out of Jordan.

If anyone is interested in seeing how the Gaza war will turn out and what the impact of condemnation is, please refer to the Black September event in Jordan. Gaza reads like a repeat of events right down to the use of hostages and underground tunnels and bunkers.

[oldschooler]

6 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

The OldFart has spoken!  Amen!

Quiet Fool. You’re Beaten. Badly. Humiliated.
No Case. No Arguments. No Sense. No Support. Dismissed.

[oldschooler]

3 hours ago, Khunmark said:

I’m a bit confused. You’re always banging on about the ‘free’ western nations and the  ‘unfree’ Arab nations. May I remind you, one the cornerstones of a free democracy such as the UK is the right of peaceful assembly. And yet you want to deport all pro Palestine protesters. We can only assume that the freedom you envisage is one that can only be exercised by those with the same political leanings as yourself. That’s not free. Fortunately to date the UK has resisted such populists demands.

Do you dispute my free / unfree assertions then ?

These demonstrators support anti- democratic terror and murder and are anti- Semitic & anti- freedom and far too large and disruptive so intimidating to regular folk. 

They clearly promote genocidal illegal hate crimes against Jews. 
They are assaulting unarmed police.
I believe in fact in total free speech without legal consequences. 
Let Those anti- UK protesters expose themselves get convicted then deported….. to their friends in Gaza perhaps. Or given a remote uk island for their sharia loving society.

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

What exactly did he say that WAS true?  I'd say my comment has exactly the merit his does.  OldFart/Schooler has a long history of devoting entire posts to insulting me in absurd ways; "OldFart" is a pretty gentle response to his invective.

Given some of your posts I'm not convinced you're the guy to tell me how to work the internet.

Quiet Fool. Facts were cited ….facts and reasoned conclusions …..all fatuously ignored or dismissed by you 

[Smiler]

2 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yes, I am.  I also "believe in science".  And evolution.  There is no contradiction between being a theist and "believing in science" -- a dumb phrase that has become politicized, but I think I get what you mean.

Are you really saying that everything just appeared?  That matter appeared out of nowhere?  That God can't exist in the 99.99999999999999999999% of the universe that you know nothing about?  Agnosticism makes sense to me -- atheism does not, and the evangelical atheism that we see so much of today, including in this topic, is as obnoxious as anything a "Bible thumper" would produce.

Have there been abuses by religious people?  Of course.  What is life like in those societies that HAVE purged religion and religious people -- per you they should be wonderful, right?  All the superstitions gone, with "science" reigning supreme?  They were and are Hell on earth.

Just because science can’t totally explain how the universe began doesn’t mean that it won’t but some are already putting their theories forward such as Lawrence Krauss in his marvelous book ‘A Universe from nothing’ as for god existing out there in unknown space? Seriously? So if something can’t be explained yet the answer is ‘it must be god’ ?? As for most of the people you quoted yes they were products of their age and most would have been ‘spiritual’ in some way because most people were at the time but they didn’t know anywhere near what can be explained today. As for your last statement re societies purged of religion yes I couldn’t agree more but that is down to human failings and basic corruption nothing to do with a lack of faith. 
 Personally I see more wonders in the natural world because I understand it better through science than I could ever do through some religious mambo jumbo. 

[Paulw]

On 10/11/2023 at 12:09 PM, Vigo said:

You have posted statements that are factually incorrect in every way.   In respect to the claims you make,

1. Expulsion of "Palestinians" or the myth of the Nakba. The primary cause of the departure of  arabs was WAR. War declared by the Arabs themselves. In 1948, did the Arab nations not declare war on israel and say they would  wipe it off the map? In 1967, did not the massed  military  of the pan Arab attack force not promise to drive the jews into the sea? Did the Arab leadership not tell the Arabs in  Israel to leave so that they would not be  harmed as the Arab armies purged Israel of its Jews?  You bet there were innocent Arab victims. That's the side effect of war.  What is your position on the  almost same number of jewish people who were  expelled from Arab countries  land who had all their assets seized? Are you denying those expulsions. Yes, the Israelis took advantage of the upheaval. That is what happens in wars where the larger nations seek to wipe out the small nation. We saw this on a larger scale in the partition of India and Pakistan, and we saw this in the  partition of Ethiopia and Eritrea, and again with South Sudan and Sudan, and we see it ongoing in the country now called Yemen.

2. All these  UN Resolutions you reference. Please be more specific. The Arab dominated  general assembly has a history of passing discriminatory motions. One  of the best was sponsored by Iran condemning Israeli human rights right after Iran strung up 2  boys in from a crane in a public square  for alleged  homosexuality. Israel does not have the death penalty and doesn't persecute teenage boys for alleged consensual acts.

3. You reference  Gaza as a concentration camp. You obviously have no idea of what a concentration camp is. The citizens until the recent war  had ready access to Egypt. Was the border not open with Egypt? There was no restriction on the trade of food, medicines and most personal use items. The loals were allowed to enter Israel for work and for medical care if needed.It seems that the   restrictions were not particularly difficult to circumvent as Hamas imported thousands of missiles, rockets and  artillery pieces. It was able to fully arm multiple death squads and to build a sophisticated  underground system of reinforced concrete tunnels and bunkers. 

4. You reference US military aid to Israel. In 2021 the following summary was published, please advise if this is True or false;

- From 2014-2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly US $4.5 billion in Gaza, including $600 million in 2020 alone.  UNRWA, which also provides funding and staffing for schools, health services and food aid.

- Egypt sponsored almost US$500 million in economic developtment and projects for the period of 2021 forward.

— Qatar has provided in excess of US$1.3 billion in cash aid to Gaza since 2012 for construction, health services and agriculture. 

— The Palestinian Authority filed statements that it  paid US$1.7 billion to Gaza government workers  

- The EU provides a US $80 million stand alone aid budget to Gaza that

- The USA  gave almost US$100 million in aid to Gaza (and  PLA projects  in West Bank)

— The U.S. has spent at least $5.5 million in Gaza this year on cash assistance and health care, in addition to contributing $90 million to UNRWA operations in Gaza and the occupied West Bank.

Based upon historical evidence, inmates of concentration camps starved to death. How then is it possible that Gaza has one of the highest rates of obesity in the region?  42.0% of adult females, and 29.5% of adult males are considered obese. Why is diabetes, an affliction of financially well off societies so prevalent? 1 in 5  Gaza adults has Type II diabetes. meanwhile in  war afflicted Africa, diabetes is a rarity.

It is nice that you showed up to spew your lies and hate. Know what,  hew haters like you have been around for centuries. You may have come close to wiping them out, but good triumphs over evil as time passes. It is why the Kurds survived the persecution of people like you, and why the minority Christians of the middle east have managed to  survive for so many centuries.  Your  philosophy  is what justified ISIS turning Yzidi boys and girls as sex slaves,  and it failed. The struggle Israel faces is now one which  the free world must understand is also about its survival as the unhinged nutters seek to impose their caliphate upon the enlightened world. 

Well written and this will enlighten many, whilst I completely disagree with any wars Hamas have brought this upon themselves and the innocent Palestinians who want no part of this terrible situation. I guess thats what happens when you vote a terrorist regime into power! 

[23RD]

78 year old former Serviceman Jim Henderson attacked by Pro Palestinian supporters in Edinburgh as he was selling poppies in support of The Royal British Legion truly shocking. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12717653/Poppy-seller-veteran-punched-pro-Palestine-protesters-Edinburgh-Waverly-station-Gaza-march-Armistice-Day.htm

[oldschooler]

5 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Exactly.  The men who founded the modern scientific age were nearly all men of faith -- Bacon, Newton, Copernicus, Lavoisier, Faraday, Mendel, Heisenberg, Fleming, Kepler, Galileo, Linnaeus, Joule -- and not just in a "most people back then were kind of religious" way.

Well all Europeans ( except Balkans) then, up to Enlightenment (1730 ad ), had to be Overtly Christian …… by Culture or Law  ……..or Die …….or Be Persecuted/ Driven Away …… . Pointless otherwise speculating “ in what way” these early eminent brave scientists were “ religious”. Probably like Darwin they became immensely conflicted with the revealed differences  between false Bible/ Church and their own true Scientific Discoveries…….