News Forum - Israel’s supply cut reveals state’s cruel, dehumanising intentions towards Palestine

[oldschooler]

11 hours ago, Manu said:

My insight? And what is that supposed to be??? You do not know. You do not read my posts although I have repeated to you many times "my insigth", you did not reply when I provided to you my own quotes of what I said about Hamas which was not quite the same to what you wrote I was supposed to have said (which you do not know cause you do not read) but then you reply when I post something to someone else completely unrelated. Pffffff.... What is that paragraph supposed to be in any way related to what I said? You are just writing stuff just for the sake of writing stuff, on absolutely every single topic in this forum? "By the way the bodies of the Thai murder victims are being brought home now." If it was not such dramatic event, I would just take the piss of you post after post. But there, I could not care much. I told you that I was done with you, someone who believes weirdly is some kind of moral judge of a small online forum so busy "writing stuff" that he does not have anymore time to read anything anyone else writes. Done! No need to reply, I will not read you nor reply, keep yourself busy writing stuff.

You don’t write sensibly or clearly, promote schoolboy socialist lefty shyte, don’t support free rational Israel ( anti- Semite look)  argue like a petulant child when challenged, behave like a dog with a bone on your daft endless “prove I said this “ over & over so yes you have become unpopular & dismissed as zero value so nobody reads your stuff. The best people discuss IDEAS or EVENTS not People. But we feel we have to deal directly with your nonsense but there’s no impact. You don’t listen or change. Incapable of improvement.

[oldschooler]

3 hours ago, Fanta said:

When has a silent majority ever risen up and removed radicals in power? 

Never. “ Moderate” Muslims (a contradiction in terms as they all expound murderous frenzied evil ideas both privately in surveys or publically as sheep in “ protests”) don’t actually exist as they are Herd- programmed for Conformity Survival so are Powerless thus Irrelevant. No accident they All look - think- dress- worship- behave as a Single Brain Dead HERD following by instinct the strongest fanatic loons.

[Fanta]

1 hour ago, HolyCowCm said:

I think you mean Silenced Majority too scared out of their wit's end living under the rule of Sharia Muslim radical buffalo frenzy thinking, or not armed enough and too passive except to run their mouths off for how opressed they are but maybe too ignorant to realise that if they got rid Hamas and the crazy radicals that life might actually not be how they are brainwashed to think it is. In this case ignorance is not bliss. 

Yeah, that’s them. So can we agree that they are also victims of Hamas? 

[Pinetree]

19 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Yeah, that’s them. So can we agree that they are also victims of Hamas? 

The are facilitators, not victims, just as the Russian people are.   

[1234567]

On 10/21/2023 at 10:05 AM, Vigo said:

I have not claimed 40 beheaded babies. The evidence of the Hamas atrocities  is from Hamas itself. You have ignored the documentation provided. There is also an eyewitness claim that one Hamas member sliced open a pregnant woman and killed the the unborn child. I have not seen the documentation but watched the eyewitness statement. I don't think the paramedic who was traumatized  was imagining the event, however,  I have not presented that event. I am waiting for the documentation to be  published first.

You are quick to cast "blame". just as was done with the lie that an air strike destroyed a hospital killing 500. The evidence shows it was failed Palestinian missile, resulting in about 100 casualties. No bomb crater from an IDF ordinance, but lots of evidence of a dud missile that crashed dropping its warhead and fuel onto the hospital parking lot with  injuries consistent with such an event. The best part was that the Al Jazeera cameras caught the missile launch failure and then the detonation with no IDF aircraft even close by.  You are so consumed with hate that you cannot think straight and the hate is now consuming you.

Israel is going to remain. The world isn't rushing to the Palestinian side because they are seeing through the lies, and manipulation. Sure the usual groups are protesting but that just supports the Israelis indirectly. Now that the Iranian backed Houthi have launched missiles, stopped by the USN, we can see who is behind this war. 

All through this the largest refugee community in the world, larger than that of the Palestinians, and more unjust has been ignored by the protestors and palestinians. 12 million Syrians are refugees. Most are shunned by the arab world or treated  like garbage by Erdogan's Turkey. The west has  taken millions of Syrians in, but you won't see them at the protests. Instead they are asking these protestors and  Palestinians why they refused to help them and instead helped Assad, Iran and Russia make them refugees. The Syrian refugees, like the Kurds know what it is to be a refugee without the billions of USD/Euro in aid money that the Palestinians have received.  This war is being used by the   arab political factitions and iran. It isn't about palestinian freedom or aything so noble. And now you have Gaza reduced to rubble in some parts. it will be a  damp winter for some and a life of luxury for Hamas leaders in Qatar.

If in your world Hamas is the culprit and the cause of the all bad; LET US IMAGINE THE WORLD WITHOUT HAMAS:

Let us imagine a world BEFORE 1986 when Hamas was not still formed. OOOOR; let us imagine a a world, and give it a name: Let us call it for example "The West Bank"
In those 2 imaginary worlds, Israel is ACTUALLY KILLING!
In West Bank Israel just today killed people in total impunity, like they do on daily basis.

Tell us how is Hamas responible of those killings?
PLEASE! The stage is yours!

[Grumpish]

18 minutes ago, 1234567 said:

If in your world Hamas is the culprit and the cause of the all bad; LET US IMAGINE THE WORLD WITHOUT HAMAS:

Let us imagine a world BEFORE 1986 when Hamas was not still formed. OOOOR; let us imagine a a world, and give it a name: Let us call it for example "The West Bank"
In those 2 imaginary worlds, Israel is ACTUALLY KILLING!
In West Bank Israel just today killed people in total impunity, like they do on daily basis.

Tell us how is Hamas responible of those killings?
PLEASE! The stage is yours!

And the senseless killings on both sides will continue as long as there are people like you, so blinded by hate that they will always try to justify the mindless actions of "their" side. And that goes for both sides of this, and many other, conflicts.

[Pinetree]

14 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

And the senseless killings on both sides will continue as long as there are people like you, so blinded by hate that they will always try to justify the mindless actions of "their" side. And that goes for both sides of this, and many other, conflicts.

The judicial killing by Israel is far from senseless.  It is a military action of defense, planned and executed to remove a terrorist threat to the Nation.  Hardly senseless. Hamas killings on the other hand is indeed senseless violence by terrorists. 

[EdwardV]

2 hours ago, Fanta said:

Yeah, that’s them. So can we agree that they are also victims of Hamas? 

I would think willing participants is more appropriate. 

[1234567]

On 10/21/2023 at 6:04 PM, oldschooler said:

Are you Arab by chance or perhaps a Jew for Nazis, like a Turkey voting for Xmas, or Uighur loving CCP ?  
I ask because <deleted content>

Only reasons for a rational civilized person to support Fascist Murderers Hamas <deleted content> against Free Democratic Righteous Restrained Defensive Western Country like Israel or UK are:-

(a) anti -semitism ( b) historical ignorance (c) Fascist ( d) insane / irrational (e) dumb follower of socialist ( anti- Semitic) rhetoric. Or all five possibly ….

All such hate clearly starts and finishes with Anti -Semitism
Why do certain, often unsuccessful jealous people  hate Jews.?
Simply because Jews are Successful.

Yes; Jews are succesful in killing kids.

But let me repeat you the same question:
If Hamas is the root cause of all bad, then HOW COME there are Palestinians been killed in The West Bank, where there is NO Hamas?
Or how come were there thousands and thousands of Palestininas being killed by ISRAELIS, BEEEFOOOORREEEE 1986; when Hamas did not exist?

Please?

P.S: Does it in your childkiller mind somehow make childkilling more justified if I am Arab, Icelander, ant-ismitic, left-handed, vegetarian or smell bad? Because these numbers of killed kids are there WITHOUT ME. Just see the comparison WHO is being killed.
If you can't see

 

On 10/22/2023 at 1:41 AM, TedG said:

Do you deny that Hamas murdered over 1000 civilians? 

Do you deny that Israel murdered 120 000 civilians ONLY in Gaza, and ONLY after 2008?
That includes 33 000 children. Let me spell that to you: THIRTY THREE THOUSAND.

Do you deny that Israel has bombed hospitals:
Al Aqsa hospital 21.7.2014
Al Aqsa hospital 12.2.201
Al Awda hospital 16.5.2021
Al Dorra hospital 7.4.2023
Al Shifa hospital 28.7.2014
Beit Hanoun hospital 23.7.2014
Balsam hospital 23.7.2014
Al Wafa hospital 19.7.2014
European hospital 9.7.2014
Indonesian hospital 21.5.2021
Indonesian hospital 14.5.2023
Indonesian hospital 8.10.2023

And 15 schools, refugee camps, etc.

Sure we have a fine justification to shoot doctors and patients in the hospitlas, haven't we?

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[oldschooler]

27 minutes ago, 1234567 said:

Yes; Jews are succesful in killing kids.

But let me repeat you the same question:
If Hamas is the root cause of all bad, then HOW COME there are Palestinians been killed in The West Bank, where there is NO Hamas?
Or how come were there thousands and thousands of Palestininas being killed by ISRAELIS, BEEEFOOOORREEEE 1986; when Hamas did not exist?

Please?

P.S: Does it in your childkiller mind somehow make childkilling more justified if I am Arab, Icelander, ant-ismitic, left-handed, vegetarian or smell bad? Because these numbers of killed kids are there WITHOUT ME. Just see the comparison WHO is being killed.
If you can't see

Do you deny that Israel murdered 120 000 civilians ONLY in Gaza, and ONLY after 2008?
That includes 33 000 children. Let me spell that to you: THIRTY THREE THOUSAND.

Do you deny that Israel has bombed hospitals:
Al Aqsa hospital 21.7.2014
Al Aqsa hospital 12.2.201
Al Awda hospital 16.5.2021
Al Dorra hospital 7.4.2023
Al Shifa hospital 28.7.2014
Beit Hanoun hospital 23.7.2014
Balsam hospital 23.7.2014
Al Wafa hospital 19.7.2014
European hospital 9.7.2014
Indonesian hospital 21.5.2021
Indonesian hospital 14.5.2023
Indonesian hospital 8.10.2023

And 15 schools, refugee camps, etc.

Sure we have a fine justification to shoot doctors and patients in the hospitlas, haven't we?

Are that f00king BLIND, or EVIL, to defend the shithole killer scum Israel??? Or simply oldfart DUMB Briton/yankee who swallows everything the FOX nes feeds you. 
Malcolm X said about this too; making the victim as the terrorist, and the dumbets people believing it.

Clear Basic Explanation follows for Ignorant Anti - Semitic Simpletons:-

Hamas is a symptom.

Islam Death Cult & Muslims are the Disease (Irrational Unfree Uncivilized Aggressive) 

West is the Cure (Rational Free Civilized Modern Defensive)

Israel is Western

Israel has never directly targeted non-combatants.

Cowardly Muslims condemn their own civilians by hiding behind civilians and civilian structures leading to Israel having to get the terrorists unfortunately through civilians which adults often support the terrorists in killing Jews willingly or by force.

Islam Disease refuses to voluntarily accept the Cure which is then administered by defensive force. Koran clearly calls for genocide of all Jews by Muslims. 

Jews have settled & occupied Israel for 3000 years.

Arabs  just another violent Invader 1400 years ago. 

 

[Grumpish]

13 hours ago, 1234567 said:

Yes; Jews are succesful in killing kids.

But let me repeat you the same question:
If Hamas is the root cause of all bad, then HOW COME there are Palestinians been killed in The West Bank, where there is NO Hamas?
Or how come were there thousands and thousands of Palestininas being killed by ISRAELIS, BEEEFOOOORREEEE 1986; when Hamas did not exist?

Please?

P.S: Does it in your childkiller mind somehow make childkilling more justified if I am Arab, Icelander, ant-ismitic, left-handed, vegetarian or smell bad? Because these numbers of killed kids are there WITHOUT ME. Just see the comparison WHO is being killed.
If you can't see

Do you deny that Israel murdered 120 000 civilians ONLY in Gaza, and ONLY after 2008?
That includes 33 000 children. Let me spell that to you: THIRTY THREE THOUSAND.

Do you deny that Israel has bombed hospitals:
Al Aqsa hospital 21.7.2014
Al Aqsa hospital 12.2.201
Al Awda hospital 16.5.2021
Al Dorra hospital 7.4.2023
Al Shifa hospital 28.7.2014
Beit Hanoun hospital 23.7.2014
Balsam hospital 23.7.2014
Al Wafa hospital 19.7.2014
European hospital 9.7.2014
Indonesian hospital 21.5.2021
Indonesian hospital 14.5.2023
Indonesian hospital 8.10.2023

And 15 schools, refugee camps, etc.

Sure we have a fine justification to shoot doctors and patients in the hospitlas, haven't we?

And before Hamas there was the PLO, and before the PLO there was...

You seem to be carefully avoiding Hamas's indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets, year after year, with their random firing of rockets into Israel. Or are you taking a view based on the primitive tribal "if you are not my brother you are my enemy" stance? Instead try to understand the history of this conflict,  going back to when Palestine was a part of the Ottoman empire.

 

[Vigo]

A number of countries are now slowly walking back their accusatory comments on the unfortunate explosion at a Hamas hospital. Canada is the latest, and probably was the only remaining western country that was silent. It had been one of the  first to wave a finger, offering condemnation. The Canadian statement came late at night when few media services were live.  To date, the presidents of Egypt  and Turkey have not  retracted their accusations. Nor has any palestinian group on social media accusing Israel . On the contrary, the lie is still being repeated.   

Water supply from Israel was restored yesterday, but the Palestinian social media still say "Israel" won't allow water to enter. Even many western news reports still mention this. Meanwhile, no water or electricity is supplied from Egypt. The palestinians always had the option of getting their supplies from Egypt. 

Yesterday over 100,000 came out to protest in the UK. It was the usual groups of hardcore protestors of left wing misfits, Muslim political and jihadi supporters,  and the gullible English who embrace any number of  causes.  The running joke is that a large number of these people, are not acceptable to Hamas. They too would be subject to a beheading or in the case of the angry pronoun gender types, be tossed off the roof of a building.  The hypocrisy on display is that these people did not come out to protest the situation in Syria. Nor were the active in helping the Syrian refugees. It was the infidel western countries who picked up the bill.  12 million people are refugees because of the Assad regime. That regime was propped up because Hamas and Hizbollah fighters under the direction of Iranian Republican Guards, took direct action against the Syrian  civilian population and forced them from their homes. They did far worse than Israel and not a word of protest. No condemnation, nor bombardment of these  groups in social media. The Syrian tragedy is many times worse than the palestinian situation, but not a word to be heard.

 

[TedG]

8 hours ago, 1234567 said:

If you can't see

Do you deny that Israel murdered 120 000 civilians ONLY in Gaza, and ONLY after 2008?
That includes 33 000 children. Let me spell that to you: THIRTY THREE THOUSAND.

Do you deny that Israel has bombed hospitals:
Al Aqsa hospital 21.7.2014
Al Aqsa hospital 12.2.201
Al Awda hospital 16.5.2021
Al Dorra hospital 7.4.2023
Al Shifa hospital 28.7.2014
Beit Hanoun hospital 23.7.2014
Balsam hospital 23.7.2014
Al Wafa hospital 19.7.2014
European hospital 9.7.2014
Indonesian hospital 21.5.2021
Indonesian hospital 14.5.2023
Indonesian hospital 8.10.2023

And 15 schools, refugee camps, etc.

Sure we have a fine justification to shoot doctors and patients in the hospitlas, haven't we?

Are that f00king BLIND, or EVIL, to defend the shithole killer scum Israel??? Or simply oldfart DUMB Briton/yankee who swallows everything the FOX nes feeds you. 
Malcolm X said about this too; making the victim as the terrorist, and the dumbets people believing it.

Again, did Hamas kill about 1200 civilians this month? 

[Manu]

14 hours ago, oldschooler said:

You don’t write sensibly or clearly, promote schoolboy socialist lefty shyte, don’t support free rational Israel ( anti- Semite look)  argue like a petulant child when challenged, behave like a dog with a bone on your daft endless “prove I said this “ over & over so yes you have become unpopular & dismissed as zero value so nobody reads your stuff. The best people discuss IDEAS or EVENTS not People. But we feel we have to deal directly with your nonsense but there’s no impact. You don’t listen or change. Incapable of improvement.

Let me (figure of speech of course, it is not up to you obviously) answer point by point your message once and for all. I would not bother but then again, with the "anti-Semite look" (???) accusation in your comment, I have to.

"don’t support free rational Israel ( anti- Semite look) ". (rational??? what does that mean?) Twice already I have posted my thought, which is "I stand for Free Modern Israel alongisde Free Modern Palestine side by side in peace". What does it say? You are so full of hate that you see the second "Free Modern" but not the first one? Why is that? Those are my words clearly written, how is it that you see something else??? Same goes with "anti-semite", your racism blinds you so much than anyone who does not join you and your racism against ALL Muslims is "anti-semite"? That is as far as your brain can go?

"promote schoolboy socialist lefty shyte". A couple of things there.... "Promote": so do you feel like you are promoting pure all muslim hate or is it just that you write your opinion? So let's say it is the latter, why would it be different for me then? Do I promote something (on a tiny online forum related to Thailand??? to achieve what exactly????) or do I write my opinion just like you? "socialist lefty shyte"... well, I have provided many sources coming for example from the excellent Times of Israel newspaper "The Times of Israel has no partisan political affiliation" - https://www.timesofisrael.com/about/) as well as quotes from various Israelis that are not on the left and yes, as well as some sources on the left - Israel is a democracy and if you knew a little more about this country, you would know that most do not share your extremist views, racist extremist views, also they simply know better than you about their own country and perhaps you should go there and learn from them, it is not going to happen on a small online forum related to Thailand where it seems you spend all your life.

"...on your daft endless “prove I said this “ over & over". So your write "words" of me being this and that, and now accused me of being "anti-semite", a serious thing to accused somone to be, but with never any proof with my own words - so your words are so wise that, that's it, because you say it then it is? Your wrote this on a previous post "I skimmed that post". So there you go like I said, you "skimmed my posts" but somehow you manage to know what I write, what I think, what I know. You must have some kind of superpower then.

"you have become unpopular & dismissed as zero value". "unpopular...". Now that's hilarious!!! And how would any moderate words always with endless reliable sources from various sides (as decribed above) would be popular in a group of racist extremists of the (very) far-right be popular? I am very happy to be unpopular with people like you. But unfortunately it is (still) a tiny online forum with free speech, although coming back after months not bothering I am quite suprised how much hate, racism and extremism is allowed to be expressed nowadays. But I am for free speech so be it.

"so nobody reads your stuff"... I am glad you recognise that. Still, plenty have something to say about it though. I have been accused twice of being "anti-semite", numerous times pro hamas etc... all this although "nobody read my stuff"?? Well it seems that you are not the only one with superpower then. You do not read my stuff cause what I write does not suit your extreme anti-muslim racist views, and not just mine. You only "debate" with extremists. Sad really. Well somehow you must do read a little though since you and others answer, but of course you only take what I say about Muslims or Arabs (you seem confused with these 2 words  -see below) which is the part you do not like, never what I say about Hamas and the State of Israel, regardless of my views on these 2 subjects. That I am not commited to hate all Muslims and wish death to all of them, that's just enough for you to spread lies with no proof and ignore the many sources I provide that show, for a start,on what and whom I base my views from. But then it does not fit your views to find out that in Israel, most do not share your views at all, but then they live there and know better, perhaps you should go visit Israel and find out about the views of the people there, but that would require living your computer screen for a while, and the extremist views you lash out daily on your computer, all this to be replaced by something called "objectivity". I was going to add "humanity", surely it must be some left in the "you in the real world" as opposed as the "you all day long behind the computer".

"Incapable of improvement." Hilarious conclusion as if it was the moral judge of the forum final sentence. Really funny. Let me congratulate you by the way of some improvement in your posts since the beggining of this thread. Post after post you kept mentioning "arabs". But then recently you have switched to "muslims". Maybe you have finally realised that amongst Israeli nationals, there are (many) arabs too? Arab Muslims and Arab Jews (must be confusing for you)? Well done.

[EdwardV]

 

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday that Israel “cannot go back to the status quo” with the Hamas militant group in charge of Gaza following the brutal attack it launched against Israel on Oct. 7. In an interview with NBC’s “Meet The Press,” Blinken said that Israel won’t accept any outcome that keeps Hamas in a position to launch another offensive. However, he said the U.S. ally has no intention of running Gaza.  Israelis “moved out of Gaza unilaterally, unconditionally, a couple of decades ago, but they can’t be in a position where they’re constantly at the threat of the most horrific terrorist attacks coming from Gaza,” Blinken said. “So, something needs to be found that ensures that Hamas can’t do this again.” Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant told officials on Friday that once Hamas is defeated, the goal “will be the creation of a new security regime in the Gaza Strip, the removal of Israel’s responsibility for day-to-day life in the Gaza Strip, and the creation of a new security reality for the citizens of Israel and the residents of the [area surrounding Gaza].”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/blinken-says-israel-can-t-go-back-to-the-status-quo-following-hamas-attack/ar-AA1iHAUH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=345136abe6b94cd090b9fa47d6162e4b&ei=132

Hamas has in fact destroyed some 50 years of negotiations toward a two-state solution. No doubt that was part of their intention, and of course you can argue if it was ever a realistic possibility. Still the idea of Israel and a Palestinian State living side by side in peace is dead. 

Israel has evidence of Iranian "involvement" in the Hamas terror attack that left more than 1,400 people dead and over 200 kidnapped, a senior Israeli military officer has said. Major General Michael Edelstein, a veteran commander who is working with the Israel Defence Forces' (IDF) Southern Command, said the attackers, were "well trained, well equipped". "You definitely can see evidence, we have evidence of Iranian involvement," he told a briefing with journalists on Monday after the Israeli military showed a nearly 45-minute compilation of footage from the 7 October carnage.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-says-it-has-evidence-of-iranian-involvement-in-hamas-attack-but-cannot-elaborate-12991025

The ironic thing is if the IDF is correct and Iran was involved, that makes Hamas nothing more than a useful idiot. 

 

 

[oldschooler]

16 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday that Israel “cannot go back to the status quo” with the Hamas militant group in charge of Gaza following the brutal attack it launched against Israel on Oct. 7. In an interview with NBC’s “Meet The Press,” Blinken said that Israel won’t accept any outcome that keeps Hamas in a position to launch another offensive. However, he said the U.S. ally has no intention of running Gaza.  Israelis “moved out of Gaza unilaterally, unconditionally, a couple of decades ago, but they can’t be in a position where they’re constantly at the threat of the most horrific terrorist attacks coming from Gaza,” Blinken said. “So, something needs to be found that ensures that Hamas can’t do this again.” Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant told officials on Friday that once Hamas is defeated, the goal “will be the creation of a new security regime in the Gaza Strip, the removal of Israel’s responsibility for day-to-day life in the Gaza Strip, and the creation of a new security reality for the citizens of Israel and the residents of the [area surrounding Gaza].”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/blinken-says-israel-can-t-go-back-to-the-status-quo-following-hamas-attack/ar-AA1iHAUH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=345136abe6b94cd090b9fa47d6162e4b&ei=132

Hamas has in fact destroyed some 50 years of negotiations toward a two-state solution. No doubt that was part of their intention, and of course you can argue if it was ever a realistic possibility. Still the idea of Israel and a Palestinian State living side by side in peace is dead. 

Israel has evidence of Iranian "involvement" in the Hamas terror attack that left more than 1,400 people dead and over 200 kidnapped, a senior Israeli military officer has said. Major General Michael Edelstein, a veteran commander who is working with the Israel Defence Forces' (IDF) Southern Command, said the attackers, were "well trained, well equipped". "You definitely can see evidence, we have evidence of Iranian involvement," he told a briefing with journalists on Monday after the Israeli military showed a nearly 45-minute compilation of footage from the 7 October carnage.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-says-it-has-evidence-of-iranian-involvement-in-hamas-attack-but-cannot-elaborate-12991025

The ironic thing is if the IDF is correct and Iran was involved, that makes Hamas nothing more than a useful idiot. 

No. Hamas Death Cult has deliberately sacrificed itself (and Gazans) in this way as the first step in an intended hoped escalating regional or wider conflagration leading to the genocidal destruction of Israel then occupied by Arabs.
 

Hamas will now hope for the following planned sequence (which Israel have tacitly accepted).
Gaza Razed & Demilitarised - Iran Launch Hezbollah - Israel Eliminate Iran Military & Mullahs & Hezbollah- Israel Resources Exhausted - Russia China Arab States Attack Weakened Israel - USA Attacks Them - WW3. How this bunch of medieval loons could precipitate all that defies belief.

Iran would have to be out of its mind.All hinges on Iran to be Sensible ….. or Not.

Idea of medieval unfree irrational genocidal Nazi backward savages consenting to truly live in peace alongside a civilised free western people, which Koran & Hamas etc. Charters had sworn to Destroy, was and could never be alive.
Could the Nazi Germans live alongside the Poles after clearly stating in their Bible ( Mein Kampf) that all East Europe would be Enslaved with Jews Eliminated ? Of course not .
Same Here. All that stupid wasted naive diplomacy, after Arabs refused original UN two- state plan in 1947, followed by their first genocide attempt the very next day, conclusively proved 75 years ago that co- existence was a futile concept. 

[cowslip]

THe sleep of reason begets monsters -Goya

[Karolyn]

2 hours ago, oldschooler said:

My post was principally directed at the 1234567 guy but yes if the cap fits then wear it.

You and your kind have no clue or are wilfully BLIND as to the true clear proven genocidal nature of all Muslims re. Israel and indeed all non- Muslims. Muslims can NEVER be Free or Modern. A  mindless Aggressive crazed Herd. This must be Blindingly Obvious from their violent history when “ let loose”.

Those not fully supporting Israel MUST be Anti- Semites or Dumb as Rocks. No other rational explanation.

I have explained this in clear simple terms.

“ Muslims” are not a “ race” btw. I am certainly anti- Religion /anti- Tyranny/ anti - Uncivilized Unreason.
Yes all rational people have to be  anti - Islam and anti- Arab ( or deranged) just as we are Anti - Nazi.
These obvious savages are all Genocidal Tyrannical Herd Fascists. WAKE UP.

The irony with right wing anti-Islam, is their crime is not to be cucked.

[Manu]

7 hours ago, Karolyn said:

The irony with right wing anti-Islam, is their crime is not to be cucked.

Sorry, I am using your response to the comment you are quoting cause it seems that post has disapeared (I wonder why?), and it was a reponse to one of my comments. I hope you do not mind.

So OldBugger...all right, sorry, we have to have some kind of sense of humor once in a while in this mad world.

So OldSchooler...

Since you are standing so strongly for Free Modern Israel, a modern country that it is becoming more and more obvious you do not know nothing about, how many "Modern" Israelis are muslims? More than 1.4 millions, 16.9% of the entire Israeli population (https://embassies.gov.il/UnGeneva/NewsAndEvents/Pages/Facts-and-Figures-Islam-in-Israel.aspx). Are they also "These obvious savages are all Genocidal Tyrannical Herd Fascists" ?? Are you standing to those Modern Israelis too? Do you realise that right now, some of them are IDF soldiers fighting the jihadist group of Hamas? Yeah, not all that simple, isn't it?

[EdwardV]

President Joe Biden said Monday he would not consider backing a ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war until all hostages kidnapped by Hamas are released. "We should have those hostages released and then we can talk," Biden told reporters when asked about the potential for a ceasefire in exchange for Hamas releasing approximately 200 hostages, including Americans, believed to be in the Gaza Strip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/10/23/president-biden-no-ceasefire-in-israel-hamas-war-until-hostages-reased/71294173007/

More than reasonable in my opinion. To have  ceasefire talks while Hamas holds hostages just rewards the action and plays into its hands. Of course, the anticipated ground offensive shouldn’t be held up forever waiting either. 

[Pinetree]

2 hours ago, EdwardV said:

President Joe Biden said Monday he would not consider backing a ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war until all hostages kidnapped by Hamas are released. "We should have those hostages released and then we can talk," Biden told reporters when asked about the potential for a ceasefire in exchange for Hamas releasing approximately 200 hostages, including Americans, believed to be in the Gaza Strip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/10/23/president-biden-no-ceasefire-in-israel-hamas-war-until-hostages-reased/71294173007/

More than reasonable in my opinion. To have  ceasefire talks while Hamas holds hostages just rewards the action and plays into its hands. Of course, the anticipated ground offensive shouldn’t be held up forever waiting either. 

A ceasefire is of no use and I'm sure that Israel will not agree. Hamas needs to be utterly defeated , crushed and no ceasefire is going to achieve that aim.  Consider the hostage's, at least a lot of them, dead already, harsh but true.  What may save them,  is if the Hamas  terrorist lunatics finally see that harming them will help destroy their cause forever. 

[oldschooler]

7 hours ago, EdwardV said:

President Joe Biden said Monday he would not consider backing a ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war until all hostages kidnapped by Hamas are released. "We should have those hostages released and then we can talk," Biden told reporters when asked about the potential for a ceasefire in exchange for Hamas releasing approximately 200 hostages, including Americans, believed to be in the Gaza Strip.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/10/23/president-biden-no-ceasefire-in-israel-hamas-war-until-hostages-reased/71294173007/

More than reasonable in my opinion. To have  ceasefire talks while Hamas holds hostages just rewards the action and plays into its hands. Of course, the anticipated ground offensive shouldn’t be held up forever waiting either. 

No. Time for “ talks” with these unreasonable irrational animals was over really in 1947 when they declined a UN offered Arab state then genocidally assaulted the new state of Israel. Could the European Jews have “ talked” to Nazis ? Same Here. All that “talk” for 75 years between Arab attacks ? Complete Waste of Time.

Arabs lie like Breathing…..Action Only from now…….

[oldschooler]

11 hours ago, Manu said:

Sorry, I am using your response to the comment you are quoting cause it seems that post has disapeared (I wonder why?), and it was a reponse to one of my comments. I hope you do not mind.

So OldBugger...all right, sorry, we have to have some kind of sense of humor once in a while in this mad world.

So OldSchooler...

Since you are standing so strongly for Free Modern Israel, a modern country that it is becoming more and more obvious you do not know nothing about, how many "Modern" Israelis are muslims? More than 1.4 millions, 16.9% of the entire Israeli population (https://embassies.gov.il/UnGeneva/NewsAndEvents/Pages/Facts-and-Figures-Islam-in-Israel.aspx). Are they also "These obvious savages are all Genocidal Tyrannical Herd Fascists" ?? Are you standing to those Modern Israelis too? Do you realise that right now, some of them are IDF soldiers fighting the jihadist group of Hamas? Yeah, not all that simple, isn't it?

Covered this already when dismissing stupid “Apartheid” claims.

Such Israeli -Citizen Arabs are clearly ISRAELIS and obviously part of Free Modern Israel.

Doctors -Engineers -Parliament Members, and loyal IDF military in Western Democracy.
1.4 million free civilized Arabs then amongst what 350 million unfree surrounding primitive Arabs ? 

ZERO Jews are Citizens of any Arab state I imagine or sitting in Arab Govts.

Clear the regional Apartheid then is only by Arabs who drove out 99% Jews in 1967. 

So yes it’s (still) very simple.

 

[EdwardV]

6 hours ago, Pinetree said:

A ceasefire is of no use and I'm sure that Israel will not agree. Hamas needs to be utterly defeated , crushed and no ceasefire is going to achieve that aim.  Consider the hostage's, at least a lot of them, dead already, harsh but true.  What may save them,  is if the Hamas  terrorist lunatics finally see that harming them will help destroy their cause forever. 

True, I was just pointing out Biden pushing back on those few very voice in the US calling for an immediate ceasefire.  At the same time, there are bi-partisan calls for the destruction of Hamas in the halls of congress. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wsj-opinion-the-bipartisan-call-for-the-destruction-of-hamas/vi-AA1iIYLJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=5fa51c90aef14352920271ef1318410b&ei=29

 

[oldschooler]

3 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Covered this already when dismissing stupid “Apartheid” claims.

Such Israeli -Citizen Arabs are clearly ISRAELIS and obviously part of Free Modern Israel.

Doctors -Engineers -Parliament Members, and loyal IDF military in Western Democracy.
1.4 million free civilized Arabs then amongst what 350 million unfree surrounding primitive Arabs ? 

ZERO Jews are Citizens of any Arab state I imagine or sitting in Arab Govts.

Clear the regional Apartheid then is only by Arabs who drove out 99% Jews in 1967. 

So yes it’s (still) very simple.

Now the other step to becoming a Civilized Arab is to Renounce Islam , the root cause of Arab ( Muslim) Stupidity. Christian Arabs in Israel Lebanon Egypt appear basically Civilized. Wondering how many Israeli Arabs are Christian or even Torah folk ?

Statistics here are quite encouraging. Impossible to renounce Islam in Islamic Unfree States as such “Apostasy” carries a Koranic and State Law death sentence.

However when relocating to Civilised Free Western Nations, away from the absurd tyrannical Death Sentence, the renounce -Islam rate is around 15% , as “eyes are opened” and sensible folk are naturally unable to reconcile medieval Islam with immersion in the Modern Free Advanced World.

Seems only the Death Sentence holding this ratbag ideology together.

If that were ever removed ( highly unlikely) Islam probably collapses to perhaps 15-20% hardcore uneducated religious simpleton “believers”.Which is about that level in Christian Bible Belt in Free America.