News Forum - Israel’s supply cut reveals state’s cruel, dehumanising intentions towards Palestine

[oldschooler]

9 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

Before shouting things all over the internet, in the media, at press conferences etc, is important that people find out the truth in what they are saying. 

That applies to everyone, random folks on t'internet, journalists, and presidents. 

It's not obsessing to ask that people speak the truth. 

It's quite ironic that what was so important a few days ago, is now somehow irrelevant because Hamas do other 'bad stuff', so where will we be next week...

Says a complete stranger to Truth

[TheDirtyDurian]

4 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Says a complete stranger to Truth

Show me a post of mine where I have repeated things that were not true. 

Again, attacking the messenger, not the message. 

[KRLMRX]

On 10/16/2023 at 3:15 PM, Pinetree said:

So which animals are you talking about genius? The animals who kill babies, rape and murder and execute  teenagers enjoying a festival?  You reap what you sow and Gaza will find out the full consequences of acting worse than any animal, or supporting the mindless, evil  fools that committed the atrocities.  Hamas and their supporters, including the families and woman who succor them, will be destroyed and they only have themselves to blame for what's coming.  

Hamas is a CONSEQUENCE of the living conditions of the Palestinians.

being determines consciousness.

Until all participants realize this simple truth, mutual atrocities will continue.

Did all the residents of these neighborhoods support Hamas?

[Grumpish]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

After WW2, the USSR itself was in ruins and therefore helping the newly created state of Israel was, to put it mildly, problematic.

Therefore, the first leader of Israel, the communist Ben-Gurion, made a deal with his conscience and turned for help to the one who earned the most from WW2 - the USA.

After Israel became kept by the United States, the USSR’s attitude towards it of course changed.

but this does not cancel your lie that Stalin was against the creation of the state of Israel.

Stalin was the only Western leader who was for this, unfortunately for you.

Churchill’s regime (a contemporary of Stalin) is also more responsible for millions of deaths, but for some reason you don’t consider him a criminal. I understand that hypocrisy is paramount.

Sad, still clinging to your Soviet era fairy tales, sorry history books, when all the actual evidence is against you. Totally blinded by your decades of indoctrination, all intended to prop up a flawed and failed ideology.

[KRLMRX]

On 10/16/2023 at 11:09 PM, Vigo said:

Hamas is not a signatory of the Geneva Convention and repudiates all international laws and standards associated with the convention.  Have you seen the  Hamas video as published in Daily Mail Executed without pity: Shocking moment wounded female Israeli soldiers cowering under a table after being injured by a grenade are shot dead by Hamas gunmen   Very disturbing.  Hamas has taken non implicated civilian hostages. You have one  code of conduct for Israel and another for the  terrorists. Not surprising since you support the Russian  barbaric activities in Ukraine that have Russians murdering, looting, raping, and kidnapping children. No need for Hamas to steal  home appliances like the Russians since the international aid equips  the Gaza homes with them.  

I agree with you.

Those stupid Belgian cops spent the whole night looking for the Brussels shooter. and it was only necessary to drop an aerial bomb on the block in which he was located.

because this is how to fight terrorists.

[KRLMRX]

22 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Compare & Contrast Arab vs. Jewish Culture.

High School Essay for you and your idiotic view that “all people and cultures have equal value” .
Which modern weapons for example did Arabs Invent ? None of course. Jews ? Very many.

How about how many Nobel Prizes ( not Literature) have Arabs in Arab states ever won ? Again, None.

Jews ? 100 or so ….. are you beginning now to see the Truth about Arabs …… and Jews ? Doubtful

and this has nothing to do with the centuries-old residence of Jews in Europe with its education and level of technology.

and also has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is actually the 51st US state.

No. it's just God's gift and Providence.

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Stalin was not remotely “ western” . An Asian from Georgia, a complete psychopathic lunatic murderer.

Perfect for mindless Russian adoration of their “ strong leader”. Stalin shit his pants when Hitler invaded, cowardly running to his dacha expecting rightly to be arrested for incompetence resulting in millions of dead Soviet soldiers.

Churchill was simply not a criminal. Not one reputable source makes such accusation. In West substantial evidence required for such massive claim and none has emerged.

here I did not mean an ideological but a geographical affiliation - the Soviets were half in the West, unfortunately for you.

And Stalin, of course, did not run away to the dacha, this is your next propaganda lie.

The fact that the opinions of the natives do not matter to your theory of racial superiority does not change the facts of Churchill’s direct participation in making decisions that led to the death of millions of people.

[cowslip]

If you treat a country like Palestine in the way Israel has, it is inevitable that loonies will get into power and this sort of thing happens...... 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

here I did not mean an ideological but a geographical affiliation - the Soviets were half in the West, unfortunately for you.

And Stalin, of course, did not run away to the dacha, this is your next propaganda lie.

The fact that the opinions of the natives do not matter to your theory of racial superiority does not change the facts of Churchill’s direct participation in making decisions that led to the death of millions of people.

 

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

here I did not mean an ideological but a geographical affiliation - the Soviets were half in the West, unfortunately for you.

And Stalin, of course, did not run away to the dacha, this is your next propaganda lie.

The fact that the opinions of the natives do not matter to your theory of racial superiority does not change the facts of Churchill’s direct participation in making decisions that led to the death of millions of people.

Soviets not remotely western fool. West ended at Western Europe in soviet times & now ends at EU borders
you are confusing geography with ideology. Russia west of urals is in Europe but Russian geography teaches about Eurasia not Europe! As if Urals don’t act as any culture or geographic barrier.  Russia always been Far East European people, East Slavs, almost Asian really.

You Lie Checkist about Churchill while refusing to speak of Maniac Stalin Great Purge & Great Terror killing millions 1936-38. Well documented even by Russians that Stalin stayed three weeks in his country dacha after Hitler invaded ….out of contact …….where he could find clean pants.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, cowslip said:

If you treat a country like Palestine in the way Israel has, it is inevitable that loonies will get into power and this sort of thing happens...... 

Personally I like the 2024 map (not yet shown). All White- No Green.

UN Plan rejected by Arabs. It included all the best land. Accepted by Jews.

Southern white land completely barren, uninhabited and useless in 1947.

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

and this has nothing to do with the centuries-old residence of Jews in Europe with its education and level of technology.

and also has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is actually the 51st US state.

No. it's just God's gift and Providence.

Prior to 1220 in Middle East and 1490 in Spain, Arabs/ Muslims were highly advanced over Europeans from their conquered peoples knowledge of science and maths etc. . What happened to them since ?

Arabs Conquered by Ottoman Turks in 1520 but quite prosperous being able to focus on trade instead of governance but somehow stagnated and deteriorated like all Asian Cultures in fact.
Arabs Withdrawing from Science & 1700 Enlightenment in Europe, retreating back into their Koranic Religion. away from Reason, Modernity & Industrial -Knowledge Revolution.

Simplistically, By 1918, Arabs degenerated back to year 630 becoming again religious simpleton desert nomads or market traders with no modern skills or ideas. Simply Unable to mentally deal with Advanced Modern European  Jews returning to Israel after 2000 year absence. Blew their backward minds ! 

[oldschooler]

3 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

I agree with you.

Those stupid Belgian cops spent the whole night looking for the Brussels shooter. and it was only necessary to drop an aerial bomb on the block in which he was located.

because this is how to fight terrorists.

It is indeed when Hamas  have four levels of terrorist base infrastructure below schools mosques hospitals and admin & weapon storage & production in block and inhabit the whole block as division HQ.

your idiotic sarcastic suggestion is what Russians have actually done . Killing all civilian hostages to kill all terrorists in that school incident. Complete lack of skill and no regard for Russian lives. How very Russian….

It is those such designed inhabited blocks being destroyed by Israel in Gaza, now not pure civilian blocks.

Any “ civilians” around would be employed by terrorists or be human shields used by terrorists….. which Israel can legally ignore.This is Total War like WW2. 

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

Show me a post of mine where I have repeated things that were not true. 

Again, attacking the messenger, not the message. 

You don’t have ANY support here so consider being quiet, disgraceful closet Hamas- lover. 

[oldschooler]

On 10/11/2023 at 12:44 AM, 1234567 said:

Your connection to African migration to Europe is very well in place: Israel is the beacon of all illegal immigration in modern world: Israel has expelled 6 000 000 Palestinians from their homes while anyone claiming to have 25% Jewsih blood may move in Palestine and is given free land in occupied territories; the same place those Palestinians were kicked out: If that is not the finest example of illegal immigration, then nothing is!
Israel has breached more UN resolutions than the whole rest of the world combined, Israel has breached all and every agreement made about the land division in Palestine, Israel has attacked EVERY SINGLE neigbour of it, Israel keeps 2 200 000 people in a Holocaust concentration camp called Gaza and regularly shoots and burns them like fish in a bowl, Israel keeps active Apartheid program towards Palestinians, Israel kills on daily basis Palestinians for freaking 75 years in total impunity; while USA sends 10 MILLION dollars EVERY SINGLE DAY for the last 35 years (this does not include the private organizations sending even more money to Israel, to support the Apartheid and killing), Israel keeps secret nuclear arm program and refuses to sign agreements about it; while at the same time moaning Iran of doing so; Iran has never attacked any country...

Isn't it a real "victim" your beloved Israel...?

So many lies and total ignorance here it’s not worth my time unpacking the whole bag of Shyte. However:-

Apartheid ? Some Arabs have Israeli Citizenship and Knesset seats. No Jews sit in Arab Govts. None.

Never Attacked ? Iran & Hamas have constantly stated intent to exterminate people and state of Israel.Iran funds and directly executes massive terrorist attacks on Israel & West in Middle East. 
Arab Combined Armies attacked Israel 1947, 1967 & 1973 ….. and lost those wars and West Bank.

UN Resolutions ? Arabs rejected in 1947 and total  FIVE times a separate Palestine state including 90-95% West Bank.

Prison Camp ? Gaza has autonomy and border with Egypt and funds it spends on military not civilian stuff.

Holocaust ? Arab pop. In region up ten times since 1947 . Arabs breeding like flies hoping I suppose to push out Jews eventually by sheer numbers

Jewish Blood ? Civilised western free  Jews surrounded on three sides and outnumbered 100 to 1 by crazed unfree religious irrational Arab loons determined but unable to exterminate them. Jews very restrained under such circumstances.

[TheDirtyDurian]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

You don’t have ANY support here so consider being quiet, disgraceful closet Hamas- lover. 

More ad hominem attacks, a sure sign that sometime has lost the argument.

Please provide any post of mine where I have started that I support Hamas. Have asked repeatedly for this and as of yet. Nothing so far. 

 

[Vigo]

6 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

I agree with you.

Those stupid Belgian cops spent the whole night looking for the Brussels shooter. and it was only necessary to drop an aerial bomb on the block in which he was located.

because this is how to fight terrorists.

Did your hero have a support network  that constructed an intricate maze of tunnels beneath the buildings? Those reinforced tunnels would be connected to dormitories holding large numbers of violent people, reinforced command and control bunkers and munition depots strategically placed beneath schools, hospitals and foreign occupied buildings, and were they connected to missile launch sites at mosques?

[Manu]

4 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

More ad hominem attacks, a sure sign that sometime has lost the argument.

Please provide any post of mine where I have started that I support Hamas. Have asked repeatedly for this and as of yet. Nothing so far. 

Please stop wasting your time asking, and certainly not as I did by responding to vigo above with my own quotes post by post with what I have been saying about Hamas the last 7 days. I am still waiting for his response to dispute what I said word for word and to provide my quotes where he felt I was on Hamas side. But they never answer do they? There is of course nothing so what could they possibly answer? Hence they continue with the same meaningful hateful words as it seems it is what it is all about here: letting all the hate coming out, free of consequences anonymously behind a computer.

I am also still waiting for an apology from vigo for accusing of being antisemit!! (at least you have not had that one...yet - It seems also that the forum guidelines and rules allow it!!??).

At least we can see clearly now who are the extremists on this forum and how far their extremism can go.

[Pinetree]

The Forum loonies have taken over this thread, spreading their distorted ideas and opinions in every post , painting the Hamas terrorist as brave freedom fighters instead of sick cowards and lunatics. I cant stand to read their nonsense, so  I'm out of this thread. I suggest that all reasonably sane members do the same and leave the blubbering idiots to continue alone. 

[Manu]

11 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

The Forum loonies have taken over this thread, spreading their distorted ideas and opinions in every post , painting the Hamas terrorist as brave freedom fighters instead of sick cowards and lunatics. I cant stand to read their nonsense, so  I'm out of this thread. I suggest that all reasonably sane members do the same and leave the blubbering idiots to continue alone. 

"painting the Hamas terrorist as brave freedom fighters"

Can you provide any quote that is saying that? Any at all? Just one, a single one?? You ALL (the extremists) keep saying that, but never provide any quote. NEVER EVER!!!! Where is it? Where???? Please enlight me...

I agree with your last sentence, not sure we are talking about the same "blubbering idiots" though (your rabitting rage without ever providing any quote and ending insutling people says it all - like I said before, blinded by hate so you see things where there are not any).

[LOS]

36 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

The Forum loonies have taken over this thread, spreading their distorted ideas and opinions in every post , painting the Hamas terrorist as brave freedom fighters instead of sick cowards and lunatics. I cant stand to read their nonsense, so  I'm out of this thread. I suggest that all reasonably sane members do the same and leave the blubbering idiots to continue alone. 

There is no HAMAS  this is ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by the Israelis in order to create a "greater israel". Palestine, a country void of a military. Shame on anyone who supports this disgusting Agenda. 

[oldschooler]

14 minutes ago, LOS said:

There is no HAMAS  this is ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by the Israelis in order to create a "greater israel". Palestine, a country void of a military. Shame on anyone who supports this disgusting Agenda. 

Shame on YOU for supporting unfree uncivilized crazed genocidal Arab murderers over free democratic western civilized Israel who is ONLY defending itself against these religious loons wanting to sweep all Israelis into the sea. THAT is ethnic cleansing fool. Arab pop has increased tenfold since 1947 to seven millionIsraelis surrounded and outnumbered 100 to 1 by these infected herd-like zombies who have never wanted peace with Jews just Jews out.

[oldschooler]

40 minutes ago, Manu said:

"painting the Hamas terrorist as brave freedom fighters"

Can you provide any quote that is saying that? Any at all? Just one, a single one?? You ALL (the extremists) keep saying that, but never provide any quote. NEVER EVER!!!! Where is it? Where???? Please enlight me...

I agree with your last sentence, not sure we are talking about the same "blubbering idiots" though (your rabitting rage without ever providing any quote and ending insutling people says it all - like I said before, blinded by hate so you see things where there are not any).

Poor argument . Just condemn Hamas murderers and support free modern Israel and your critics go away. By NOT condemning Hamas you are considered to support their genocidal evil.  It’s not rocket science. 

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, Manu said:

Please stop wasting your time asking, and certainly not as I did by responding to vigo above with my own quotes post by post with what I have been saying about Hamas the last 7 days. I am still waiting for his response to dispute what I said word for word and to provide my quotes where he felt I was on Hamas side. But they never answer do they? There is of course nothing so what could they possibly answer? Hence they continue with the same meaningful hateful words as it seems it is what it is all about here: letting all the hate coming out, free of consequences anonymously behind a computer.

I am also still waiting for an apology from vigo for accusing of being antisemit!! (at least you have not had that one...yet - It seems also that the forum guidelines and rules allow it!!??).

At least we can see clearly now who are the extremists on this forum and how far their extremism can go.

It’s “anti- Semitic” . What other motive can there be for not condemning so supporting these medieval savages against free western modern Israelis under genocidal attack ?

[oldschooler]

7 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

More ad hominem attacks, a sure sign that sometime has lost the argument.

Please provide any post of mine where I have started that I support Hamas. Have asked repeatedly for this and as of yet. Nothing so far. 

And I have “ asked repeatedly” but unsuccessfully for you to condemn Hamas murderers.

and yes that is a minimum “expectation” for any civilized rational person

[Vigo]

On 10/16/2023 at 10:04 PM, Manu said:

Hilarious your comment would be if it was not so sad. (By the way, please stick to English). But of course not surprising, you do not read other people's posts, or you do not understand them, or you are so blinded by hate that you loose total objectivity, and then you end up writing this, the exact opposite to what I think on one perticular subject when my posts talked about many other subjects. Go back to my posts and come back with quotes when you feel it says I am on Hamas side, just one if you can.

Now I will show this post of yours to my best friend here in Thailand (I really will, at lunch time when I meet him!!!), yes it is horrible for me cause well, s***, he is Israeli and even worse, jew! As it happened, we were together in Israel in July and August - yes, I kept asking myself there what am I doing in a country full or Israelis and worse, jews....!! Anyway, he will guaranteed laugh at me for wasting my time in such forums.

Now, since you are accusing me of being ANTISEMIT,(yes people who somehow read this, that is what his sentence in French is saying) which is quite a very strong accusation which I will not forget, my friend, I will go back to all my posts and post here again all quotes regarding what I think of Hamas and what I (and I repeat, I learned everything from people who want PEACE, both in Israel and Palestine, not extremists who on one side wants destruction and the other side... destruction - PALESTINE means NOT Hamas, i said that at least 10 times) wish would happen in this part of the world, which at the end is PEACE!!!.

POST 1 (this thead: https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/28064-news-forum-chaiyaphum-province-mobilises-aid-for-thai-labourers-in-israel-amid-escalating-conflict/#comment-339896

Hamas is not the people of Gaza, Palestine is not just Gaza, there is no excuse neither for what Israel is doing in the West Bank, especially this current racist government, and that's not me saying that but a huge number of people in Israel (see links in above comment). Hamas is a terror jihadist group that is by far not supported by the majority of people of Gaza for whom life is just about surviving with nowhere else to go. And when they dare protesting, they (obviously) get repressed brutally by Hamas as to be expected from these animals.

POST 2 (same thread as above, an answer to you actually, debate than you choose not to continue, perhaps it was not antisemit enough for you?)

When I say Gaza is not Hamas, I say that a huge amount of the 2.3 million of people in Gaza are not behind Hamas but literally their hostages (but ironically even those who support them), I even provided a link to an article (which you obviously do not mention) that shows what happens when they are protesting against Hamas and burning their flag IN GAZA cause apart from all the things you said in your comment about Hamas, which are true (I did not "ignore that fact" that Hamas has control on all properties etc.. in Gaza, it is simply unrelated to what I wanted to say, which is a broader one than yours really: they simply have the control of the people) cause Hamas is a dictatorship ruling with an iron fist. I was actually responding to someone (yes please, when you reply to a comment, take note that I am already answering someone otherwise it makes no sense) mentioning "the people of Gaza" as if this inhuman bloodshed that happened in Israel was created by the people of Gaza. It is not, it is Hamas, a terror group imposing an harsh dictatorship on its own people which aim, as all jihadist terror groups it is linked to, is to wipe Israel off the map (what did Netanyahu said? it is a war against Hamas not against the people of Gaza - do you think he is wrong too then?). That is what I said.

POST 3 (this thread now as all the others below - a response to a comment from 1234567 who wrote "I don't care if all the Jewish state gets demolished - Israel NEEDS to go! ...")

Why don't you stick to the facts of what happened and happens now, which you have been doing the past 2 days I saw, and keep your hateful wish of what should happen from now to yourself. Now this might be what you want, so hate, war and destruction then, but who are you to say what Palestinians want, or shall I say, at least the ones that are not extremists, which is most of them, who do not want to "demolish the Jewish state"?

So instead of now giving your hateful view of what you think should be the solution, why don't you hear what people who are in the centre of all this want, the Palestinians (excluding Hamas who do not "fight" for the Palestinians, but for an Islamic state while destroying all jews and indeed also all Palestinians who do not share their views, the vast majority of course).

POST 4

when he also says "I don't care if all the Jewish state gets demolished - Israel NEEDS to go! ", to me it sounds only "Israelis bad/Palestinians good".

POST 5 (my view of what I seem to have been reading here, including from yourself, and what I wish for Isreal and Palestine)

I have just read some awful posts here. I suspect there is no Israeli nor Palestinian on this forum (?), still, most of the views here seem to come from the most extremists from both sides. It is like following a discussion between the harshest far right religious extremists Isrealis and Hamas (what does Hamas mean by the way? Islamic Resistance Movement - not Palestine Resistance Movement). I do not see neither any quote from people on the ground of whom you based your views from, well, if you were posting any quotes from people in the middle of it on whom you based your views, it seems it would be from the ones I am describing above. It seems it is much easier for most in front of computers to call for war rather than peace, which is what the vast majority of people over there want on both sides, instead most views here are backing up the extremists on both sides.

POST 6 - ( response to oldschooler and I quote "I stand with Free Modern Israel. ")

I stand with Free Modern Israel alongside Free Modern Palestine side by side in peace.

POST 7 (a response to chicagoexpat)

Now explain why so many voices in Israel are saying this "Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad." (https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/). Why Netanyahu held negotiations with a jihadist terror group? Isn't he also slightly responsible of the overtaken power by Hamas in Gaza to suit his agenda? And what was/is his agenda? (This has happened, with sources from Israel - yes, here I wonder why and how could Netanyahu could even think having "negotiations with a jihadist terro group", meaning if horrible Netanyahu had not done this, could last week's atrocity been avoided? But of course, he and you interpret my words wrongly cause, like I said to you the beginning of this post, you do not read, you do not understand what you read or you are too blinded by hate which clouds all objectivity)

POST 8 ( you quote me and post some copy/paste of Hamas charter - so that was my answer, which you never replied to).

Please read again my comment that you quoted and tell me exactly how your comment is related to it?? Why you are sending me copy/paste of Hamas charte? What is the purpose to send me that?

My comment that you quoted is: (then I posted my previous post - no anwer from you)

SO WHERE DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN MY WORDS THAT ARE PRO HAMAS? IT IS YOUR TURN TO POST MY QUOTES THAT SEEM TO YOU PRO HAMAS IN ANY WAY.

BUT THAT SOMEHOW I DO NOT CARE. BUT, NOW, BE VERY VERY VERY VERY CAREFULL WHEN YOU ACCUSED SOMEONE OF BEING ANTISEMIT, BE VERY VERY VERY VERY CAREFULL WHEN YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING ANTISEMIT. WHERE I COME FROM WE COULD GO TO COURT FOR THIS... I MEAN I CAN TAKE YOU TO COURT FOR THIS. I AM TRYING TO STAY CALM AND POLITE HERE CAUSE I DO NOT WANT MY RESPONSE TO YOUR DISGRACEFUL ACCUSATION BEING DELETED. BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT YOU ACCEPT OF BEING WRONG AND AN APOLOGY CAUSE ME, UNLIKE YOU, I WANT PEACE, NOT WAR.

I have not described you as an anti-semite.  Although now that you bring the subject up, my perception is that you do have a long standing position of  negativity in respect to the State of Israel. That's your right and I do not question that right. It is why I do not respond to some of your statements as I do not wish to facilitate the spread of your negative  positions.

My statement was a rhetorical question; Pourquoi ne disiez vous- pas simplement que vous détestent les israliens et les juifs?  Why not simply say you detest the israelis and the jews?   That is not an accusation of anti semitism, but my interpretation of your anti Israel polemic. You are clear in your statements as to your dislike of the State of Israel and by extension its populace. You don't like the political or social construct of the  government, which is a reflection of the general electorate .    You are entitled to your views, even if they do read like a repeat of 1970's era Marxist student political sloganeering.  Hamas has murdered 28  innocent Thais and holds others as human shields or hostages. I am outraged. Your comments on the subject have caused me  significant emotional anguish as to the  fate of the 28 and the state of the remaining hostages.

I stand by my position that it would be more efficient if you simply prefaced that you don't like israel and its people. By doing that you would not have to offer up covering and code words nor would I have to  to read what I consider to be a cruel justification of the  murder of the 28.

War is not a nice event. Innocent people die. However, when one side  intentionally takes hostages and has a lengthy history of using human shields and inciting war it does influence the perception.  The people of Israel  did not murder the 28 thais. Ask the people of Gaza who did.