News Forum - Israel’s supply cut reveals state’s cruel, dehumanising intentions towards Palestine

[EdwardV]

It's being reported Hamas is considering the unconditional release of foreign hostages: 

BREAKING: Hamas says they are willing to release foreign nationals unconditionally | Watch (msn.com)

Still way too early to say much more than that. It could easily be a stall tactic, or nothing at all. However, it might explain why Israel has yet to start a ground offensive, giving western governments more time to get their own people out. Who knows, but it is interesting. Of course, Israel is still going to attack, just a question of when. I doubt they wait much longer. This either happens very soon or not at all. 

[oldschooler]

8 hours ago, cowslip said:

so because Hamas did that does not justify anything Isreal does - unless they want to be just as bad,

Not “ so” anything. I differentiated the clear differences between Hamas actions and Israel response.

You are defending or ignoring murder. Free Israel not remotely as bad as Unfree Hamas.
Distinction is Clear to a nine year old.unless there is only a closed mind prejudiced by lifelong socialist anti- Semitic rubbish.

why DO “ useful idiots” defend these backward murderous savages against free western democratic Israel ?  
Arabs would slit your infidel throat in a heartbeat fool

[Vigo]

6 hours ago, 1234567 said:

Now can you pinpoint WHERE in the video there are "40 beheaded babies?"

A-HA!
There is no.

I did not claim 40 beheaded babies. There are however multiple decapitations and various forms of atrocities. Does it matter if the atrocities are more gruesome than the other? Will it not suffice for you that people who did no harm to Gaza residents were murdered? Why do you celebrate the murder of 28 innocent Thais? Did their lives have no value?

6 hours ago, 1234567 said:

Yes, I have taken the side based on the information.
If you are put in a prison camp, being quilty to just having born on the wrong side of the wall. Your whole family is shot and bombed into pieces for NO REASON AT ALL, then the killer shuts down you water, your electricity, your everything, humiliates you every time you want to move around by closing you in cages for "security check", are forbidden to use the rods that the killer uses, have NO LIFE nor dignity, and you see that those killers who stole your house, are dancing happily and freely; in full impunity, you WILL feel rage and anger.

If I was in Gaza as a Palestinian, FOR SURE I would raise against to those Israelis who go in complete impunity.
There is no justice for Palestinians from the outside world, and they have the FULL RIGHT to defend themselves. Exactly like othe oppresed peoples have the right.

After all it is fully and only the Israelis who started the occupation. 

Israel did not make a prison camp. Gaza is bordered by Egypt.  The borders of Gaza are a sieve as demonstrated by the easy entry of thousands of Russian and Chinese firearms and munitions and Iranian missiles and drones.  The gaza residents could have easily entered into Israel if they had not insisted on sending suicide bombers and other violent people. No nation is obliged to allow entry into its territory people who are pledged to its destruction. In what sane land would terrorists be openly invited to run amuck?  Gaza is bordered by Egypt as well. Why is Israel blamed for its legal right to prevent people who would do harm to it from entering.

Initially, the population of Gaza  was not particularly large. They were given land and money through generous foreign aid.  It is not Israel's fault that the Gazans breed in high numbers and  are corrupt. When Yasser Arafat died, his  wife fled to France where she lives in luxury with his misappropriated millions of Euros.  .Self restraint or birth control would have benefited these people. So too would have been investment in intellectual capital and manufacturing. The Gazans preferred to do nothing to improve themselves. No orchestra, no science club, no girls sports, no multicultural learning etc.  Nothing was good enough for them. The residents of Gaza  took possession of some of the finest beaches in the region and have failed to develop them as a tourism destination because the presence of women having fun at the beach is not acceptable to the  jihadis. A woman's job is to reproduce and to create martyrs. Billions of  Euros have been spent in Gaza on what? Cement and wiring intended for human development was instead diverted to making tunnels and bunkers used for making war. UN schools were used as ammo dumps until an inspection discovered them. It is no secret that  Hamas locates its command control centers beneath hospitals or foreign occupied structures,    Children are used as human shields and players in Pallywood photo shoots of suffering. The Qataris and Iranians paid bonuses for "martyrs" who died while launching  terror attacks, but they could not find money to celebrate academic excellence. When Israelis reached out with peace initiatives they were met with refusals and violence.

Yes conditions are now harsh. Yes, innocent people will die. Yes, the situation is awful. It could all end today if Hamas stopped trying to kill the infidels. and accepted the right of Israel to exist. living in peace is up to Gazans but it requires non violence.

[Manu]

8 hours ago, Vigo said:

It is not hidden and the statement was made as recently as october 13. https://efe.com/en/latest-news/2023-10-13/israel-releases-photos-of-babies-killed-by-hamas/

You are obsessing over this one aspect of the atrocities and mass murder  giving the impression that you are seeking to deny the event by focusing on one item and doubling down on sowing doubt.  The Israeli national pathologist is undertaking exams. There is more to come. The evidence already shows  that people including children were  burnt alive. Are you denying that too?

You have a consistent track record of attacking Israel and alluding to your close friends who are allegedly former Israeli senior security officials. Your distinguishing feature is the quoting of one opinion that supports your position, often taking the person's published statement out of context, and intentionally ignoring the circumstances why that person may no longer occupy the position you insist provides the veneer of credibility. It is the standard 1970's  era political methodology employed by the Marxist student groups  of Europe who sought to malign and undermine using distorted facts. Pourquoi ne disiez vous- pas simplement que vous détestent les israliens et les juifs? it is more honest.  I have no hesitation in stating that I dislike Hamas and its supporters and wish their killing activity a speedy end.  You sound like a fine resident of Sevran or the 19ieme arrondisement of Paris  with your political rhetoric.

Hilarious your comment would be if it was not so sad. (By the way, please stick to English). But of course not surprising, you do not read other people's posts, or you do not understand them, or you are so blinded by hate that you loose total objectivity, and then you end up writing this, the exact opposite to what I think on one perticular subject when my posts talked about many other subjects. Go back to my posts and come back with quotes when you feel it says I am on Hamas side, just one if you can.

Now I will show this post of yours to my best friend here in Thailand (I really will, at lunch time when I meet him!!!), yes it is horrible for me cause well, s***, he is Israeli and even worse, jew! As it happened, we were together in Israel in July and August - yes, I kept asking myself there what am I doing in a country full or Israelis and worse, jews....!! Anyway, he will guaranteed laugh at me for wasting my time in such forums.

Now, since you are accusing me of being ANTISEMIT,(yes people who somehow read this, that is what his sentence in French is saying) which is quite a very strong accusation which I will not forget, my friend, I will go back to all my posts and post here again all quotes regarding what I think of Hamas and what I (and I repeat, I learned everything from people who want PEACE, both in Israel and Palestine, not extremists who on one side wants destruction and the other side... destruction - PALESTINE means NOT Hamas, i said that at least 10 times) wish would happen in this part of the world, which at the end is PEACE!!!.

POST 1 (this thead: https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/28064-news-forum-chaiyaphum-province-mobilises-aid-for-thai-labourers-in-israel-amid-escalating-conflict/#comment-339896

Hamas is not the people of Gaza, Palestine is not just Gaza, there is no excuse neither for what Israel is doing in the West Bank, especially this current racist government, and that's not me saying that but a huge number of people in Israel (see links in above comment). Hamas is a terror jihadist group that is by far not supported by the majority of people of Gaza for whom life is just about surviving with nowhere else to go. And when they dare protesting, they (obviously) get repressed brutally by Hamas as to be expected from these animals.

POST 2 (same thread as above, an answer to you actually, debate than you choose not to continue, perhaps it was not antisemit enough for you?)

When I say Gaza is not Hamas, I say that a huge amount of the 2.3 million of people in Gaza are not behind Hamas but literally their hostages (but ironically even those who support them), I even provided a link to an article (which you obviously do not mention) that shows what happens when they are protesting against Hamas and burning their flag IN GAZA cause apart from all the things you said in your comment about Hamas, which are true (I did not "ignore that fact" that Hamas has control on all properties etc.. in Gaza, it is simply unrelated to what I wanted to say, which is a broader one than yours really: they simply have the control of the people) cause Hamas is a dictatorship ruling with an iron fist. I was actually responding to someone (yes please, when you reply to a comment, take note that I am already answering someone otherwise it makes no sense) mentioning "the people of Gaza" as if this inhuman bloodshed that happened in Israel was created by the people of Gaza. It is not, it is Hamas, a terror group imposing an harsh dictatorship on its own people which aim, as all jihadist terror groups it is linked to, is to wipe Israel off the map (what did Netanyahu said? it is a war against Hamas not against the people of Gaza - do you think he is wrong too then?). That is what I said.

POST 3 (this thread now as all the others below - a response to a comment from 1234567 who wrote "I don't care if all the Jewish state gets demolished - Israel NEEDS to go! ...")

 

Why don't you stick to the facts of what happened and happens now, which you have been doing the past 2 days I saw, and keep your hateful wish of what should happen from now to yourself. Now this might be what you want, so hate, war and destruction then, but who are you to say what Palestinians want, or shall I say, at least the ones that are not extremists, which is most of them, who do not want to "demolish the Jewish state"?

So instead of now giving your hateful view of what you think should be the solution, why don't you hear what people who are in the centre of all this want, the Palestinians (excluding Hamas who do not "fight" for the Palestinians, but for an Islamic state while destroying all jews and indeed also all Palestinians who do not share their views, the vast majority of course).

POST 4

when he also says "I don't care if all the Jewish state gets demolished - Israel NEEDS to go! ", to me it sounds only "Israelis bad/Palestinians good".

POST 5 (my view of what I seem to have been reading here, including from yourself, and what I wish for Isreal and Palestine)

I have just read some awful posts here. I suspect there is no Israeli nor Palestinian on this forum (?), still, most of the views here seem to come from the most extremists from both sides. It is like following a discussion between the harshest far right religious extremists Isrealis and Hamas (what does Hamas mean by the way? Islamic Resistance Movement - not Palestine Resistance Movement). I do not see neither any quote from people on the ground of whom you based your views from, well, if you were posting any quotes from people in the middle of it on whom you based your views, it seems it would be from the ones I am describing above. It seems it is much easier for most in front of computers to call for war rather than peace, which is what the vast majority of people over there want on both sides, instead most views here are backing up the extremists on both sides.

POST 6 - ( response to oldschooler and I quote "I stand with Free Modern Israel. ")

 

I stand with Free Modern Israel alongside Free Modern Palestine side by side in peace.

POST 7 (a response to chicagoexpat)

Now explain why so many voices in Israel are saying this "Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad." (https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/). Why Netanyahu held negotiations with a jihadist terror group? Isn't he also slightly responsible of the overtaken power by Hamas in Gaza to suit his agenda? And what was/is his agenda? (This has happened, with sources from Israel - yes, here I wonder why and how could Netanyahu could even think having "negotiations with a jihadist terro group", meaning if horrible Netanyahu had not done this, could last week's atrocity been avoided? But of course, he and you interpret my words wrongly cause, like I said to you the beginning of this post, you do not read, you do not understand what you read or you are too blinded by hate which clouds all objectivity)

POST 8 ( you quote me and post some copy/paste of Hamas charter - so that was my answer, which you never replied to).

 

Please read again my comment that you quoted and tell me exactly how your comment is related to it?? Why you are sending me copy/paste of Hamas charte? What is the purpose to send me that?

My comment that you quoted is: (then I posted my previous post - no anwer from you)

 

SO WHERE DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN MY WORDS THAT ARE PRO HAMAS? IT IS YOUR TURN TO POST MY QUOTES THAT SEEM TO YOU PRO HAMAS IN ANY WAY.

BUT THAT SOMEHOW I DO NOT CARE. BUT, NOW, BE VERY VERY VERY VERY CAREFULL WHEN YOU ACCUSED SOMEONE OF BEING ANTISEMIT, BE VERY VERY VERY VERY CAREFULL WHEN YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING ANTISEMIT. WHERE I COME FROM WE COULD GO TO COURT FOR THIS... I MEAN I CAN TAKE YOU TO COURT FOR THIS. I AM TRYING TO STAY CALM AND POLITE HERE CAUSE I DO NOT WANT MY RESPONSE TO YOUR DISGRACEFUL ACCUSATION BEING DELETED. BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT YOU ACCEPT OF BEING WRONG AND AN APOLOGY CAUSE ME, UNLIKE YOU, I WANT PEACE, NOT WAR.

 

 

 

[Fanta]

4 hours ago, EdwardV said:

It's being reported Hamas is considering the unconditional release of foreign hostages: 

BREAKING: Hamas says they are willing to release foreign nationals unconditionally | Watch (msn.com)

Still way too early to say much more than that. It could easily be a stall tactic, or nothing at all. However, it might explain why Israel has yet to start a ground offensive, giving western governments more time to get their own people out. Who knows, but it is interesting. Of course, Israel is still going to attack, just a question of when. I doubt they wait much longer. This either happens very soon or not at all. 

Unconditional? Ahem…. Hamas has little reason/motivation to lose a bargaining chip by performing a gesture of good will. imo, this is a conditional deal ie: aid in = foreigners out. The “We don’t negotiate with terrorists!” crowd need to be appeased. 

[Pinetree]

10 hours ago, Fanta said:

Good, no mercy for those f*ckers. Execute them like the rabid dogs they are. Am I being clear enough for you? 

The terrorists are 30,000 Hamas not the 2.2+ million Palestinian people trapped in the Gaza Strip. Israel has declared war on Hamas not the Palestinian people. Non combatants must be protected by international & humanitarian law and the Geneva Convention. Pourquoi ne dites-vous pas simplement que vous détestez tous les Palestiniens et les musulmans ?

The only innocents in Gaza are the children, medical staff  and aid workers.  The Gaza women ( often as crazy as the men) and the families that support terrorists in their families are combatants of a different kind, that succor the violence and allow it to happen around them just as much as the idiot with the gun. there is little distinction here. To defeat the terrorists you have to defeat their society and destroy their supporting infrastructure, just as Israel is doing.  

[EdwardV]

10 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Hamas has little reason/motivation to lose a bargaining chip by performing a gesture of good will. imo,

Question: are those particular chips more heartache than they are worth? As long as Hamas holds foreign hostages, they won’t get any benefit of the doubt let alone sympathy from foreign governments. The story they are selling is they didn’t even know they had them and that they were foreigners. The old “sorry it was a mistake” card. Seems to me they want to get rid of them. Why else claim it’s unconditional? It’s not like they don’t have plenty of others with multiple classifications to bargain concessions with.

[Fanta]

13 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Question: are those particular chips more heartache than they are worth?

Answer: what extra heartache? Gaza is being bombed, totally blockaded and starved into submission. How much worse could it get? 

15 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

As long as Hamas holds foreign hostages, they won’t get any benefit of the doubt let alone sympathy from foreign governments.

imo, as long as they hold hostages of any nationality they won’t get any benefit of the doubt. Why keep them if not for human shields or as bargaining chips? 

17 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Why else claim it’s unconditional?

My question is who is claiming it is unconditional? I think a back room deal is being done. If I was a terrorist I wouldn’t give anything up without getting something in return - at least some pizza! 

[Pinetree]

In a military sense, the hostages are already dead and cannot be allowed to unduly influence the military's strategy, that when successful (and it will be) will save many thousands of lives.  If you can opinion anything, its that Israel is quite capable of seeing the reality of all this and not being unduly impacted by the fate of the hostages. To give up Hamas terrorist prisoners held by Israel , to secure the release of civilian hostages held in Gaza, makes no sense at all in the present situation. 

[Manu]

1 hour ago, Pinetree said:

The only innocents in Gaza are the children, medical staff  and aid workers.  The Gaza women ( often as crazy as the men) and the families that support terrorists in their families are combatants of a different kind, that succor the violence and allow it to happen around them just as much as the idiot with the gun. there is little distinction here. To defeat the terrorists you have to defeat their society and destroy their supporting infrastructure, just as Israel is doing.  

If it was that simple... Sure they have their supporters (maybe even amongst medical staff and aid workers axctually, not sure why you think that they could necessarily be the only ones being victims) but what about the others? How many are there? Why nobody is mentioning them as if they did not exist? 

That is the reality of the people of Gaza in the hand of the Hamas brutal regime with no way out and no way to fight (with what? stones? Sticks?). Read articles below please. Sorry if does not fit the description in your comment, but these people are there, and you are not. And noone in the whole world to help them!!

Jan 2022

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60173481

August 2023

https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests-against-hamas-reemerge-in-the-streets-of-gaza-but-will-they-persist/

[Pinetree]

24 minutes ago, Manu said:

If it was that simple... Sure they have their supporters (maybe even amongst medical staff and aid workers axctually, not sure why you think that they could necessarily be the only ones being victims) but what about the others? How many are there? Why nobody is mentioning them as if they did not exist? 

That is the reality of the people of Gaza in the hand of the Hamas brutal regime with no way out and no way to fight (with what? stones? Sticks?). Read articles below please. Sorry if does not fit the description in your comment, but these people are there, and you are not. And noone in the whole world to help them!!

Jan 2022

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60173481

August 2023

https://www.timesofisrael.com/protests-against-hamas-reemerge-in-the-streets-of-gaza-but-will-they-persist/

Its BS and military strategy is not the same as wringing your hands and hoping.  When the politicians hand over to the military, all sentiment and bets are off the table. Israel knows this all too well. The only people apparently conflicted are the West , the uneducated  (in a strategy sense)  liberals, the  irrelevant UN and the equally irrelevant  Christian religious leaders.  

[23RD]

20 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

Its BS and military strategy is not the same as wringing your hands and hoping.  When the politicians hand over to the military, all sentiment and bets are off the table. Israel knows this all too well. The only people apparently conflicted are the West , the uneducated  (in a strategy sense)  liberals, the  irrelevant UN and the equally irrelevant  Christian religious leaders.  

If there's one thing this conflict is showing its how in bed the LEFT are with Radical Islam and how the Left leaning UN is unfit for purpose in 2023.

Hopefully some of the sheep are waking up to it 2 x Radical Islamic attacks in France and Belgium in the space of a week there's no compromise with these people. 

 

[TheDirtyDurian]

15 hours ago, Vigo said:

It is not hidden and the statement was made as recently as october 13. https://efe.com/en/latest-news/2023-10-13/israel-releases-photos-of-babies-killed-by-hamas/

You are obsessing over this one aspect of the atrocities and mass murder  giving the impression that you are seeking to deny the event by focusing on one item and doubling down on sowing doubt.  The Israeli national pathologist is undertaking exams. There is more to come. The evidence already shows  that people including children were  burnt alive. Are you denying that too?

You have a consistent track record of attacking Israel and alluding to your close friends who are allegedly former Israeli senior security officials. Your distinguishing feature is the quoting of one opinion that supports your position, often taking the person's published statement out of context, and intentionally ignoring the circumstances why that person may no longer occupy the position you insist provides the veneer of credibility. It is the standard 1970's  era political methodology employed by the Marxist student groups  of Europe who sought to malign and undermine using distorted facts. Pourquoi ne disiez vous- pas simplement que vous détestent les israliens et les juifs? it is more honest.  I have no hesitation in stating that I dislike Hamas and its supporters and wish their killing activity a speedy end.  You sound like a fine resident of Sevran or the 19ieme arrondisement of Paris  with your political rhetoric.

Before shouting things all over the internet, in the media, at press conferences etc, is important that people find out the truth in what they are saying. 

That applies to everyone, random folks on t'internet, journalists, and presidents. 

It's not obsessing to ask that people speak the truth. 

It's quite ironic that what was so important a few days ago, is now somehow irrelevant because Hamas do other 'bad stuff', so where will we be next week...

[TheDirtyDurian]

2 hours ago, 23RD said:

If there's one thing this conflict is showing its how in bed the LEFT are with Radical Islam and how the Left leaning UN is unfit for purpose in 2023.

Hopefully some of the sheep are waking up to it 2 x Radical Islamic attacks in France and Belgium in the space of a week there's no compromise with these people. 

Indeed.

https://news.sky.com/story/mom-im-fine-last-words-of-six-year-old-palestinian-american-boy-who-was-stabbed-to-death-in-suspected-hate-crime-12985998

[23RD]

2 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

Indeed.

https://news.sky.com/story/mom-im-fine-last-words-of-six-year-old-palestinian-american-boy-who-was-stabbed-to-death-in-suspected-hate-crime-12985998

Not exactly a random attack the bloke was the Landlord and a Democrat still a bit harsh for not paying the rent on time. 

[TheDirtyDurian]

9 minutes ago, 23RD said:

Not exactly a random attack the bloke was the Landlord and a Democrat still a bit harsh for not paying the rent on time. 

I'd say it was fairly random..

"He added: "He asked his wife ... what happened," Rehab said. "He knocked on the door and attempted to choke her and said, 'You Muslims must die' and stabbed her."

And not something I'd make cheap political jokes about either....

 

[23RD]

6 minutes ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

I'd say it was fairly random..

"He added: "He asked his wife ... what happened," Rehab said. "He knocked on the door and attempted to choke her and said, 'You Muslims must die' and stabbed her."

And not something I'd make cheap political jokes about either....

The Left are trying to make it political the perpetrator was the Landlord well known to the family. 

But I'm a great believer let the facts play out this looks more like domestic violence than a hate crime ( unlike France & Belgium this week).

[oldschooler]

There can never be any peace where Arabs interact with Jews.

Jews are advanced civilized rational democratic smart people. Arabs are none of these so Incompatible.

Peace came to N.Ireland for example and indeed Germany & Japan because all parties were advanced rational people who could be reasoned with and agreements reached and maintained.

Arabs simply Incapable of any of that. Even when Arabs agreed they finally said NO five times and even if having a state they would have lost it by allowing it to turn into a terrorist base like happened with Gaza. 

[KRLMRX]

On 10/16/2023 at 2:23 AM, Grumpish said:

The Soviet Union switched sides and became opposed to Israel shortly after when it was realised that it would not become the communist state that he thought it would.

And vilifying Stalin is perfectly valid, considering the brutally repressive regime that he presided over, a regime that was responsible for many millions of deaths. 

After WW2, the USSR itself was in ruins and therefore helping the newly created state of Israel was, to put it mildly, problematic.

Therefore, the first leader of Israel, the communist Ben-Gurion, made a deal with his conscience and turned for help to the one who earned the most from WW2 - the USA.

After Israel became kept by the United States, the USSR’s attitude towards it of course changed.

but this does not cancel your lie that Stalin was against the creation of the state of Israel.

Stalin was the only Western leader who was for this, unfortunately for you.

Churchill’s regime (a contemporary of Stalin) is also more responsible for millions of deaths, but for some reason you don’t consider him a criminal. I understand that hypocrisy is paramount.

[KRLMRX]

On 10/16/2023 at 7:11 AM, BainaiThai said:

I cannot fix the past....I can talk about it (sheeesh 7 pages) but there is nothing I can do about it...

There are Hamas killing  mostly non Palistiniens and Isralies killing mostly non Israilies.  

I cannot fix the past...how do I stop the killing...What is the best realistic (not involving just one party) way to end this conflict.

dialogue based on mutual respect and honesty. this is the only way.

but this is impossible as long as there are multi-billion dollar corporate interests here. Unfortunately.

[KRLMRX]

On 10/16/2023 at 9:03 AM, EdwardV said:

That's not saying what you claim. Nowhere in that quote does it prove under international law is Gaza occupied by Israel. The fact it uses the word "consider" alone proves that out. From your link: 

In a legal analysis Hanne Cuyckens agrees with the Israeli position that Gaza is no longer occupied - "Gaza is not technically occupied, given that there is no longer any effective control in the sense of Article 42 of the Hague Regulations. ... Even though the majority argues that the Gaza Strip is still occupied, the effective control test at the core of the law of occupation is no longer met and hence Gaza is no longer occupied." 

That's not to say Israel doesn't have culpability as to the conditions the people live under in Gaza. However, that doesn't mean Gaza is "occupied". 

Besides the fact the UN doesn't have that power in and of itself, only the membership does (that's the way membership organizations work). From your link:

 is a state whose legal status is the subject of controversy

In other news:

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said the actions and policies of Islamist group Hamas do not represent Palestinian people, according to official news agency WAFA.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/president-abbas-says-hamas-actions-do-not-represent-palestinians/ar-AA1ifMRU?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=dfe33d5125f945ff88195317869004cc&ei=57

Says a lot. 

You can juggle the terms as much as you like, the fact is that the majority of UN members condemn the Israeli occupation/violation of rights/coercion of the people of Palestine, including the Gaza Strip. and the West is an absolute minority on this issue.

UN: Seven Resolutions Against Israeli Occupation Passed

The resolutions lambasted Israel for alleged human rights violations against Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem and repressive measures against Syrians in the Golan Heights.

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/UN-Seven-Resolutions-Against-the-Israeli-Occupation-Passed-20201211-0014.html

[EdwardV]

4 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

the majority of UN members condemn the Israeli occupation/violation of rights/coercion of the people of Palestine,

Considering the majority of UN members hate Israel, you are saying less than you think. 

In other news: 

 Jordan's King Abdullah on Tuesday warned against trying to push Palestinian refugees into Egypt or Jordan, adding that the humanitarian situation must to be dealt with inside Gaza and the West Bank. "That is a red line, because I think that is the plan by certain of the usual suspects to try and create de facto issues on the ground. No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt," King Abdullah said at a news conference following a meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in Berlin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/king-abdullah-on-gaza-no-refugees-in-jordan-no-refugees-in-egypt/ar-AA1ikWV3?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=c347a53b1ef940cc83d98f21b609dd4f&ei=20

That's some brotherly love for you. 

 

Israel will allow humanitarian aid into southern Gaza, its national security adviser said Tuesday, but warned it would be stopped if Hamas was found to be intervening. The aid "needs to be directed only to those who flee rather than to Hamas," Tzachi Hanegbi said at a news conference, accusing Hamas of "robbing their stash." Israel has been urging residents of northern Gaza to flee south, but Hanegbi said those warnings had been stifled by Hamas, who he claimed is trying to use the civilian population as "human shields."

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-17-23/index.html

I will refrain from stating the obvious. 

 

 

 

[oldschooler]

46 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

After WW2, the USSR itself was in ruins and therefore helping the newly created state of Israel was, to put it mildly, problematic.

Therefore, the first leader of Israel, the communist Ben-Gurion, made a deal with his conscience and turned for help to the one who earned the most from WW2 - the USA.

After Israel became kept by the United States, the USSR’s attitude towards it of course changed.

but this does not cancel your lie that Stalin was against the creation of the state of Israel.

Stalin was the only Western leader who was for this, unfortunately for you.

Churchill’s regime (a contemporary of Stalin) is also more responsible for millions of deaths, but for some reason you don’t consider him a criminal. I understand that hypocrisy is paramount.

Stalin was not remotely “ western” . An Asian from Georgia, a complete psychopathic lunatic murderer.

Perfect for mindless Russian adoration of their “ strong leader”. Stalin shit his pants when Hitler invaded, cowardly running to his dacha expecting rightly to be arrested for incompetence resulting in millions of dead Soviet soldiers.

Churchill was simply not a criminal. Not one reputable source makes such accusation. In West substantial evidence required for such massive claim and none has emerged.

 

[oldschooler]

23 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

You can juggle the terms as much as you like, the fact is that the majority of UN members condemn the Israeli occupation/violation of rights/coercion of the people of Palestine, including the Gaza Strip. and the West is an absolute minority on this issue.

UN: Seven Resolutions Against Israeli Occupation Passed

The resolutions lambasted Israel for alleged human rights violations against Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem and repressive measures against Syrians in the Golan Heights.

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/UN-Seven-Resolutions-Against-the-Israeli-Occupation-Passed-20201211-0014.html

The “majority” of UN members are murdering oppressive clowns tyrannically ruling their shithole corrupt unfree poor people. No credibility. Only free  western nations matter here.

[oldschooler]

46 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

dialogue based on mutual respect and honesty. this is the only way.

but this is impossible as long as there are multi-billion dollar corporate interests here. Unfortunately.

No “dialogue” possible between free rational Israelis and permanently irrational angry violent backward murdering savages. Who clearly wish to genocidally eradicate Israel people & state.