News Forum - Israel’s supply cut reveals state’s cruel, dehumanising intentions towards Palestine

[23RD]

36 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

And it’s clearly rattled, grasping at straws so to speak.

nododys effin’ interested in anything you have to dumbly say

Yes you probably know all about the feeling off nobody being interested in what you say especially at 1am when you normally come on The Forum to make your nightly drunken rants (probably because nobody else could be bothered listening to you all night including the other musty smelling School Teachers)  

[23RD]

44 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

I have made it my mission to call out  your idiot ass unceasingly until you leave this forum completely and permanently from the deep shame you must feel bothering decent folk with your babble.
Oh god, now I’m starting to feel sorry for your sad ass life. I should stop now. Enough.

You couldn't call out a yelp you're probably struggling to stand up in your broken Jesus sandals right now after the 3 x Large 65Baht Changs you've consumed in Soi Ladyboy tonight. 

[23RD]

Ok folks back on topic. 

[Manu]

Well, it looks like it has been a very busy night for some. 3 pages full of pure hate and rage. Very impressive... I mean it, I am impressed. Well done.

[23RD]

51 minutes ago, Manu said:

Well, it looks like it has been a very busy night for some. 3 pages full of pure hate and rage. Very impressive... I mean it, I am impressed. Well done.

Not really Manu Bud in a 24 hour period we've had The Forums Resident Walter Mitty come back from his 2 week retreat in his safe space to derail 2 x topics and our Resident drunken broke ass School Teacher go of on one his 1am drunken rants.

Hopefully we'll have a few more Normal contributors like yourself here today Bud.

[EdwardV]

Back on to topic:

Israeli forces have pushed deeper into the northern Gaza Strip, with tanks briefly cutting an evacuation route to the south, Palestinian witnesses say. One tank was filmed on Salah al-Din Road, sparking speculation it could be part of an advance on Gaza City. A video showed a car turning around after approaching the tank, which seems to open fire and destroy it. Later, Israel's military said a soldier being held hostage by Hamas was rescued in an overnight ground operation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67261366

Seems the Israeli army is cutting across the country just north of the wadi and headed south from the northern border along the coast. Apparently the objective is to trap the bulk of the Hamas terrorists and finish them. Along with most of the Hamas infrastructure which is located in the northern portion of the territory. I doubt many structures will survive as the Israeli army’s preferred method is not to dig them out but to just drop the building on their heads. 

[EdwardV]

“Are there anti-Semites in Makhachkala?” she wrote on X. “Yes, sure. Have they been there before? Yes, sure. What has happened now? 20 months of war, rising prices, hundreds, if not thousands of men killed, the pressure is accumulating and requires a release.” Russia’s information campaign, she added, is a convenient tool, presenting “a picture for the Middle East, Iran, for the Global South: Russia is with you, Putin is the leader of the anti-American world.” Putin has for months played a risky geopolitical game, gambling on anti-Western distrust to shore up support for his war on Ukraine. But an anti-Jewish riot in the southern region of Dagestan shows how quickly that model can backfire, particularly for those trapped inside the echo of Russian state propaganda.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31/europe/dagestan-riot-putin-hamas-balancing-act-analysis-intl-hnk

Putin needs to be careful as he stokes the fires of nationalism and anti Israeli/Western feeling to justify the increasingly fragile state of the Russia economy. This can easily spin out of control and that’s dangerous when it’s inside your own country. 

[HolyCowCm]

 

Just was watching some interviews and such as was reading for more follow up about the muslims in Russia overrunning the airport trying to storm a plane supposedly having Israeli folk on it. I am getting a little sick and tired of these muslim renegade terrorist band wagon fanatical slime balls. Their diety something is not great and a thorn in the side to humanity as taken fully out context that should be peaceful. Nothing good is coming from this so called religion. Just the contrary..

Time to flood these rats out of their Gaza tunnels and turn them into fertilizer. It is very sad state of affairs that the innocent muslim in the Gaza are going to be casualties, but it is becasue of their very own Hamas thugs that brought this upon them. If Hamas never did this then this would not be happening. All Muslim radical fanatical and their terrorists should be wiped from this earth or cast out from the places they have taken over in the EU and elsewhere for where no good comes from them being there. 

I for one am fully sick and tired of them, and so you can aslo toss Putin and XI and little big man in N. Korea in that category as well. War lords in Africa id another story.

 

[Viggen840]

4 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

I for one am fully sick and tired of them, and so you can aslo toss Putin and XI and little big man in N. Korea in that category as well. War lords in Africa id another story

 

There does not seem to any time in modern history that the 'peace-loving' moslem has been able to control the affected filth that is the terrorist side of their militant-oriented 'religion'. Indeed, it seems that the majority, while casting apologies and generally shirking aside from the militant and murderers seems to think that 'someone other than me should do something about this and rein them in'.

To paraphrase john Stuart Mill, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”…

Even though the ultra rich in Saudi and others who seem to have bottomless pockets to sponsor these radicals against the infidels and associated unclean, None of the arab world seem willing to take any of these vermin into their own countries because of the risk of increased crime and terror. Why is it up to the rest of the world to do this?

It is time the Middle-East pulled together and brought these terrorists into line and policed their own rather than having a toothless tiger like the UN try and do it for them. Matter of fact, with the arab world virtually controlling that tame pussycat, why are they NOT doing something to rein in the terrorist side of their house? Could it possibly be that they have tacitly appended these bovver boys as their anti-arab-hunting police force?

 

[Rookiescot]

4 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

Just was watching some interviews and such as was reading for more follow up about the muslims in Russia overrunning the airport trying to storm a plane supposedly having Israeli folk on it. I am getting a little sick and tired of these muslim renegade terrorist band wagon fanatical slime balls. Their diety something is not great and a thorn in the side to humanity as taken fully out context that should be peaceful. Nothing good is coming from this so called religion. Just the contrary..

Time to flood these rats out of their Gaza tunnels and turn them into fertilizer. It is very sad state of affairs that the innocent muslim in the Gaza are going to be casualties, but it is becasue of their very own Hamas thugs that brought this upon them. If Hamas never did this then this would not be happening. All Muslim radical fanatical and their terrorists should be wiped from this earth or cast out from the places they have taken over in the EU and elsewhere for where no good comes from them being there. 

I for one am fully sick and tired of them, and so you can aslo toss Putin and XI and little big man in N. Korea in that category as well. War lords in Africa id another story.

The fact is HAMAS knew when they launched their vicious attack on civilians in Israel what the response would be yet they did so anyway and they deliberately use civilians as a human shield then cry foul play. The lie about an Israeli attack on a hospital when all those being interviewed knew it was actually a failed HAMAS rocket was instantly posted by news sources everywhere.

I utterly sympathize with the people of the Gaza strip who are suffering. They did not ask for this or want it. Nor did the Israeli civilians. Or indeed the state of Israel. 

HAMAS needs to be destroyed. You cannot negotiate with a group whose stated goal is to kill ALL jews. 

However not everyone in the Gaza strip is HAMAS.

I cannot for a second imagine how Israel achieves the destruction HAMAS without inflicting massive civilian casualties. Good grief I dearly wish I could.

[Viggen840]

24 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

However not everyone in the Gaza strip is HAMAS.

Perhaps, now that the ground assault has commenced, declare the entire area is a war zone and occupants have one of two options: fight or surrender. Those that do not surrender are to be deemed enemy combatants. Those that do surrender are to be vetted for participation as an enemy and treated as an incarcerated PoW, or released into a cleared area of Gaza and provided humanitarian aid - but watched for aggressive actions... trust but verify.

After that, bring in the heavy earthmoving equipment and level the whole Strip. If possible, flood every tunnel under the whole area; drown the rats in their hidey holes. After that, use ever means available to find the head of the snake. Should be fairly easy, just look for the money that has poured into Gaza and gone astray. Dubai might be a good place to start with...

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, Viggen840 said:

Perhaps, now that the ground assault has commenced, declare the entire area is a war zone and occupants have one of two options: fight or surrender. Those that do not surrender are to be deemed enemy combatants. Those that do surrender are to be vetted for participation as an enemy and treated as an incarcerated PoW, or released into a cleared area of Gaza and provided humanitarian aid - but watched for aggressive actions... trust but verify.

After that, bring in the heavy earthmoving equipment and level the whole Strip. If possible, flood every tunnel under the whole area; drown the rats in their hidey holes. After that, use ever means available to find the head of the snake. Should be fairly easy, just look for the money that has poured into Gaza and gone astray. Dubai might be a good place to start with...

So where are civilians supposed to go?

Israel cannot handle that many millions of civilians seeking refuge. Nor can Egypt. 

Going after HAMAS funding is something the world should do. Indeed we should have been doing this years ago. 

[Viggen840]

18 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So where are civilians supposed to go?

Israel cannot handle that many millions of civilians seeking refuge. Nor can Egypt. 

Going after HAMAS funding is something the world should do. Indeed we should have been doing this years ago. 

Everything is softly, softly when dealing with these ferals. The thing is that the arab world doesn't dare upset them because the child may just turn on the parent. Can you imagine the terror of suicide bombers in the CBD of Riyadh or Cairo? Come to that, Tehran? Shock, horror!

Yes, the world as a whole should be going after the misuse of benevolent grants and funding that gets drained by the militants to buy weapons to kill their sworn enemies, but the problem is too fearful for them to attempt.

[Manu]

Hamas this and Hamas that. All you good sided human beings seeing the one side horror. Keep talking about on how some seem to have denied this and that although totally untrue. But what about denying…all tge denying I see in this forum, it is the wrong doing of Israel. You deny all any wrongdoing from Israel, although tge Hamas butchery is agreed. And we do agree. ok because Palestinians lives are worth shit, only Israelis the past whatever have experienced the worse? Do you want me to post here Israeli source from the sin beit warning the government of Israel today cause of the actions of terror in the West Bank from Israeli settlers? Do you want tu listen to that? Israelis (not and never netan) want a political solution, i posted earlier tge interview of an Israeli lady whose 2 kids are hostages of Hamas, she says just that. So f*** what you believe or what I believe, listen what she said and learn.

2 hours ago, Viggen840 said:

Perhaps, now that the ground assault has commenced, declare the entire area is a war zone and occupants have one of two options: fight or surrender. Those that do not surrender are to be deemed enemy combatants. Those that do surrender are to be vetted for participation as an enemy and treated as an incarcerated PoW, or released into a cleared area of Gaza and provided humanitarian aid - but watched for aggressive actions... trust but verify.

After that, bring in the heavy earthmoving equipment and level the whole Strip. If possible, flood every tunnel under the whole area; drown the rats in their hidey holes. After that, use ever means available to find the head of the snake. Should be fairly easy, just look for the money that has poured into Gaza and gone astray. Dubai might be a good place to start with...

So all the kids, let’s say under 15, old foks, women, are in the most inhuman situation to be lost in as far as humanly any human could think , are enemies? Your comment is inhumane as much as Hamas butchery. How can you be emotionally involved in one inhuman butchery and then be so nothing on an another one. You are horrible! 

[EdwardV]

7 hours ago, Manu said:

Israelis (not and never netan) want a political solution, i posted earlier tge interview of an Israeli lady whose 2 kids are hostages of Hamas, she says just that. So f*** what you believe or what I believe, listen what she said and learn.

You are judging by what an Israeli lady said with two children that are hostages of HAMAS? Really? Talk about a meaningless point. What would you expect her to say. As for a political solution, it’s fine you point out the lack of desire by Israeli but the same and more can be easily pointed out about the Palestinians too. You have HAMAS who not only has no desire, but whose vow is to wipe Israeli and its people off the land. Preferably with the Jews dying in the process. How do you make a political solution with them? It’s not possible and yet according to you that’s the fault of Israel. Absurd. 

That said it now seems Israel has a plan going forward. They will kill HAMAS, wipe out its infrastructure, allowing the PLO to reenter Gaza, and cut the land free of any ties to Israel. Gaza and its people will be free to rise or fall on their own. They can source their utilities, services and outside employment from Egypt (who by the way has moved tanks to the border with Gaza). What you think? 

[HiuMak]

All HAMAS should be eradicated from this world.  Hostages should be saved and Innocent Palestinians Civilians should be protected. 

[Pinetree]

3 hours ago, HiuMak said:

All HAMAS should be eradicated from this world.  Hostages should be saved and Innocent Palestinians Civilians should be protected. 

Unfortunately, they are mutually exclusive. The primary military objective is the first on your list, the other two are very desirable outcomes that may or may not be achievable. 

[Viggen840]

14 hours ago, Manu said:

How can you be emotionally involved in one inhuman butchery and then be so nothing on an another one. You are horrible! 

I don't see it that way. Israel has watchdogs that are loudly protesting the actions of the IDF, and rightly so! On the other hand, the gutless cowards of Hamas deliberately hide behind women and children in refugee areas to conduct their continued fight. Do you, Manu, consider that good combat tactics? I have written elsewhere that the sooner the innocent population of Gaza stands up and gets rid of Hamas from their peace-wishing areas, the sooner life can get back to normal.

[Pinetree]

2 hours ago, Viggen840 said:

I have written elsewhere that the sooner the innocent population of Gaza stands up and gets rid of Hamas from their peace-wishing areas, the sooner life can get back to normal.

There are precious few 'innocents' in Gaza, as the general ,population has harbored and succored these lunatics in their midst for decades, raising new terrorists within their families.  The woman are as bad as the men they support. ' Innocents' are the children, aid workers and, perhaps, some of  the medical staff.  The rest are complicit in their eventual demise.  Gaza brought this latest killing spree entirely on themselves, hence no cease fire until it is resolved , militarily. 

[23RD]

52 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

There are precious few 'innocents' in Gaza, as the general ,population has harbored and succored these lunatics in their midst for decades, raising new terrorists within their families.  The woman are as bad as the men they support. ' Innocents' are the children, aid workers and, perhaps, some of  the medical staff.  The rest are complicit in their eventual demise.  Gaza brought this latest killing spree entirely on themselves, hence no cease fire until it is resolved , militarily. 

They're no different to the Widows and Children of killed ISIS fighters held by Kurdish Forces in Camps in Syria totally indoctrinated the best deradicalation programme for them is 5.56mm and 7.62mm.

[Vigo]

On 10/31/2023 at 11:52 AM, Manu said:

Hamas this and Hamas that. All you good sided human beings seeing the one side horror. Keep talking about on how some seem to have denied this and that although totally untrue. But what about denying…all tge denying I see in this forum, it is the wrong doing of Israel. You deny all any wrongdoing from Israel, although tge Hamas butchery is agreed. And we do agree. ok because Palestinians lives are worth shit, only Israelis the past whatever have experienced the worse? Do you want me to post here Israeli source from the sin beit warning the government of Israel today cause of the actions of terror in the West Bank from Israeli settlers? Do you want tu listen to that? Israelis (not and never netan) want a political solution, i posted earlier tge interview of an Israeli lady whose 2 kids are hostages of Hamas, she says just that. So f*** what you believe or what I believe, listen what she said and learn.

So all the kids, let’s say under 15, old foks, women, are in the most inhuman situation to be lost in as far as humanly any human could think , are enemies? Your comment is inhumane as much as Hamas butchery. How can you be emotionally involved in one inhuman butchery and then be so nothing on an another one. You are horrible! 

Hindsight always turns up warnings.; 9-11 supposedly had these warnings as did Lockerbie, the madrid train massacre of 2004, Paris massacre of 2015, London bombings of 2005 , Nice truck killings of 2016 etc.  The common theme is to blame the victims.  So what if there were warnings? It shouldn't determine whether or not the   attack was a wrongful act.   In an ideal world we stop the  act before it occurs, but is it really the victim's fault for not stopping the  wrongful act?

Because Israel is a functioning democracy that is filled with a wide mix of people of different politics and views it is to be expected that there will be some people who will disagree with the government and speak up. In the UK, the opposition in Parliament regularly argues with the ruling government.  So what? it is called differing views.  So what if a released hostage is angry at the government. So she should be. She should also be angry at the reservists who refused to report for their duty assignments and left the security  posts undermanned.

The fact is that Gaza is a war zone. It is no less a war zone that any Axis power city in WWII was a war zone. Hamas uses human shields. The population in most part is complicit and the culture is one that promotes martyrdom. Few society's on this planet  intentionally put children in harm's way, but  the Palestinian Arabs do. it is all part of the  battle strategy. It is no different than  the taliban hiding in family compounds. Yesterday, israel took out an apartment building. Mentioned in passing by some media outlets was that there were multiple subterranean explosions  and then sinkholes that swallowed up the building. This occurred because the IAF took out a munitions storage facility. It is laughable that people would now complain about such an apartment building  target when the target was the munitions storage facility. The  risk of an explosion was not much less for the  building residents had their been an "accident" in the munitions depot.Instead the  public message is that the poor dears home was bombed, when the reality was that the IAF skillfully eliminated a weapons storage facility. 

And yes I have been to israel, including Jericho, Nazereth, Bethlehem et al. I had an  Eastern orthhodox priest pinch my cheek at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre because I gave a nice donation. I even argued with some Israelis, big deal. I also argued with the arab taxi drivers who pulled Patong specials on me. That doesn't make me any difference. What does influence me was watching kids under the watchful eyes of adults throw rocks and attempt to provoke armed young border police women  who were remarkably  self restrained. These  "civilians" were celebrating the hamas attacks only a few weeks ago. They consider the attacks part of their struggle. Fine. Then consider the Israelis to now be playing by the rules of engagement set by hamas.

 

[oldschooler]

13 minutes ago, Vigo said:

Hindsight always turns up warnings.; 9-11 supposedly had these warnings as did Lockerbie, the madrid train massacre of 2004, Paris massacre of 2015, London bombings of 2005 , Nice truck killings of 2016 etc.  The common theme is to blame the victims.  So what if there were warnings? It shouldn't determine whether or not the   attack was a wrongful act.   In an ideal world we stop the  act before it occurs, but is it really the victim's fault for not stopping the  wrongful act?

Because Israel is a functioning democracy that is filled with a wide mix of people of different politics and views it is to be expected that there will be some people who will disagree with the government and speak up. In the UK, the opposition in Parliament regularly argues with the ruling government.  So what? it is called differing views.  So what if a released hostage is angry at the government. So she should be. She should also be angry at the reservists who refused to report for their duty assignments and left the security  posts undermanned.

The fact is that Gaza is a war zone. It is no less a war zone that any Axis power city in WWII was a war zone. Hamas uses human shields. The population in most part is complicit and the culture is one that promotes martyrdom. Few society's on this planet  intentionally put children in harm's way, but  the Palestinian Arabs do. it is all part of the  battle strategy. It is no different than  the taliban hiding in family compounds. Yesterday, israel took out an apartment building. Mentioned in passing by some media outlets was that there were multiple subterranean explosions  and then sinkholes that swallowed up the building. This occurred because the IAF took out a munitions storage facility. It is laughable that people would now complain about such an apartment building  target when the target was the munitions storage facility. The  risk of an explosion was not much less for the  building residents had their been an "accident" in the munitions depot.Instead the  public message is that the poor dears home was bombed, when the reality was that the IAF skillfully eliminated a weapons storage facility. 

And yes I have been to israel, including Jericho, Nazereth, Bethlehem et al. I had an  Eastern orthhodox priest pinch my cheek at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre because I gave a nice donation. I even argued with some Israelis, big deal. I also argued with the arab taxi drivers who pulled Patong specials on me. That doesn't make me any difference. What does influence me was watching kids under the watchful eyes of adults throw rocks and attempt to provoke armed young border police women  who were remarkably  self restrained. These  "civilians" were celebrating the hamas attacks only a few weeks ago. They consider the attacks part of their struggle. Fine. Then consider the Israelis to now be playing by the rules of engagement set by hamas.

Excellent. “ Complicit”; “WW2 Axis”  ; “Putting Children in harms way”; “ martyrdom”.

Yes Indeed……Hamas have deliberately & suicidally declared Total War on Israel using all they have. 
To incite a wider conflagration and as ordered by Iran. 

Israel have correctly & legally reciprocated. Israel also entitled to pre-emptively attack their main enemy Iran who have long since declared genocide against Israel. 
In Total War there is No Separation between Military & Civilian.

Hamas are the “ legal” Gaza Govt.so bear Full Responsibility for all Gazans.

Israel responsible only for Israelis under Total War.  

Just as UK / US had zero concern for WW2 German or Jap. Civilians ( or Military).

Nor did Anyone expect them to. Same Here. 
Sheep-like Arabs, crazed by their stupid mindless religion / culture, brought all this down on themselves.

Civilized Free Israelis must crush the Uncivilized Unfree Arabs ….again.&the Iranian Leaders ….to win Peace.
No other way with these dumb backward aggressive savages who ONLY want to kill All Jews.

First Indigenous People there are Jews evidenced by 3000 years of Archaeology.

 

[Thaidup]

Just out of curiosity,

Why would any country be expected to supply power, water, and food to a country they are at war with?

Has Israel been supplying all of the essentials to Gaza since they left in 2005?

In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip were unilaterally dismantled and Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip.

What have the Gaza government been doing with all the money? making rockets? building tunnels?

The biggest question is, why do Arab countries refuse to accept Palestinians? a security risk?

[Fanta]

19 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

Why would any country be expected to supply power, water, and food to a country they are at war with?

Israel declared war on Hamas, not on the 2.2 million Palestinian non combatants trapped inside the Gaza Strip. I’m pretty sure there are international laws against starving trapped civilians to death. 

23 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

The biggest question is, why do Arab countries refuse to accept Palestinians? a security risk?

Definitely a security risk to the host country. I’d guess that by refusing to accept Palestinian refugees 1) they are unwilling to aid in the expulsion of Palestinians 2) they are content to have a thorn in Israel’s side. 

[EdwardV]

3 hours ago, Fanta said:

I’m pretty sure there are international laws against starving trapped civilians to death. 

Except for the fact they have a border with Egypt. This is probably why Israel plans to cut Gaza off and let them fend for themselves. A clean break in effect Gaza becomes what they have always wanted an independent country with all the rights and responsibilities that come along with. Be careful what you wish for scenario.