News Forum - Thai teacher accused of sex with underage student girls for better grades

[BigHewer]

This discussion is crossing unacceptable thresholds and is in danger of being locked.

Any discussion or insinuation of the moral equivalence of pedophilia vs P4P is absolutely not permitted. 

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[Thaidup]

On 7/31/2023 at 6:59 AM, Karolyn said:

13 is a young adult, sometimes even 12. As we say to take the piss in England, "18,when you can do all the things you did at 13, only legal".

At 18 you can legally drink, a self-destructive behavior, and even buy glue to sniff. I mean, kick ass.

But back to the science. To a zoologist, adulthood is a matter of fertility and puberty. Most men attain semenarche at age 13, and about 1/3 of them somewhere between 12 and 13.

Women attain menarche a bit earlier than male semenarche, as is well known, but periods are not regular for a further two or so years, and most very early menstruation is a dud. Even when 12 year old menstruating females are sexually active with fertile males, successful impregnations are rarer than at ages such as 14 or 18. 

I've said before that reckoning age groups strictly by decimal-based cohorts run into difficulties, as regards childhood, and what sociologists would call the formative years of young adulthood. A prepubescent 11 year old would be in the same 10-20 age group as an 18 year old adult, if we took age cohorts of 10 years too literally.

Whereas a dozemal reckoning would have a youth age bracket of 13-24, a fairly standard definition of youth, followed by 25-36 which is when proper 'adulting' becomes expected. At least in postindustrial WIERD societies. This is not merely due to delayment of adult social roles today, in historical Western Euripean cultures, the average ago of first time motherhood was closer to age 30, than to age 20.

So si, I disregard in my reckoning, who is a minor or not. It neither reflects any natural nor social realities. Except to the degree the age limit is imposed, which is a circular argument. 

Well to me, regardless, it is a betrayal of trust between the teacher and the parents, regardless of how old or sexually active the children are or not , and in my opinion he is a sicko for doing what he did and should spend the rest of life out of the teaching profession, and 20 years imprisonment, Just to think that it may be OK is beyond me, it's not.

[Karolyn]

3 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

Well to me, regardless, it is a betrayal of trust between the teacher and the parents, regardless of how old or sexually active the children are or not , and in my opinion he is a sicko for doing what he did and should spend the rest of life out of the teaching profession, and 20 years imprisonment, Just to think that it may be OK is beyond me, it's not.

Should parents have much say in the mattet, if the teenage 'children' are old enough to be both criminally culpable, and sexually aware? 

Check what is the, strongest factor in social problems, from unwanted pregnancy, to alcohol abuse. It's the parenting and home environment kids recieve, not peers, not media.

Not just the absence of parental role models, as per family values crap, but also their presence, the examples they set around kids. 

There can be nothing sacrosanct about the status of parent, I wonder how these girls were brought up - and maybe encouraged by mum and dad.

[ChrisS]

On 7/30/2023 at 3:39 PM, Karolyn said:

Paedophilia = attraction to prepubescents

Informed Consent = ability to understand what someone is agreeing to

So, just a consentual transaction between people old enough to have children, and young enough not to be geriatric.

Any sleaziness is bidirectional, then, and irrelevant to any (arbitrary) age of consent.

So in your mind this is OK?

[cowslip]

24 minutes ago, Karolyn said:

, if the teenage 'children' are old enough to be both criminally culpable, and sexually aware? 

they're not.

[Karolyn]

31 minutes ago, cowslip said:

they're not.

Yes they are. They are teenagers. Don't know the law on Thailand, but I'm sure 'kids' that age, do get sent to young offenders, borstal, or somewhere similar. 

[Thaidup]

1 hour ago, Karolyn said:

Should parents have much say in the mattet, if the teenage 'children' are old enough to be both criminally culpable, and sexually aware? 

Check what is the, strongest factor in social problems, from unwanted pregnancy, to alcohol abuse. It's the parenting and home environment kids recieve, not peers, not media.

Not just the absence of parental role models, as per family values crap, but also their presence, the examples they set around kids. 

There can be nothing sacrosanct about the status of parent, I wonder how these girls were brought up - and maybe encouraged by mum and dad.

I would suggest you wait a day or two and come back to this post and read it as if it was written by a convicted pedophile from a prison cell, lamenting why he was caught and prosecuted.

[Karolyn]

42 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

I would suggest you wait a day or two and come back to this post and read it as if it was written by a convicted pedophile from a prison cell, lamenting why he was caught and prosecuted.

There is no paedophilia involved. The girls exchanged an legally dubious service, with a guy offering a similarly dubious service in reciprocation. 

[Thaidup]

49 minutes ago, Karolyn said:

There is no paedophilia involved. The girls exchanged an legally dubious service, with a guy offering a similarly dubious service in reciprocation. 

Just wait a day or two, think about it, then read it and see how you feel then.

I understand that we all need to prove our point at times but this one is not one of those.

[cowslip]

2 hours ago, Karolyn said:

. Don't know the law on Thailand, b

THey're not - and you are almost certainly outside the law.

[Karolyn]

2 hours ago, cowslip said:

THey're not - and you are almost certainly outside the law.

Which law? 

[Karolyn]

3 hours ago, Thaidup said:I understand that we all need to prove our point at times but this one is not one of those.

 

Prove the point? The point stands on its own, as the facts of the matter... it is people trying to misrepresent anything with older minors, as paedophile, that need correcting. 

[Thaidup]

20 minutes ago, Karolyn said:

Prove the point? The point stands on its own, as the facts of the matter... it is people trying to misrepresent anything with older minors, as paedophile, that need correcting. 

NO, you need to have a good look at your thinking here, by your standards in this, are you saying its ok to have a school where children can agree to getting higher scores by giving the teacher a B-job, than next will be rating the students on who does the best? what about the male students, What do they have to do to get the extra score? can you understand the bluntness of what im saying, It is unacceptable full stop,

[Karolyn]

3 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

NO, you need to have a good look at your thinking here, by your standards in this, are you saying its ok to have a school where children can agree to getting higher scores by giving the teacher a B-job, than next will be rating the students on who does the best? what about the male students, What do they have to do to get the extra score? can you understand the bluntness of what im saying, It is unacceptable full stop,

Im not a feminist nor a liberal, so your right, I don't even think about things like this in such ways.

Were the girls capable of informed consent regarding sex? 

Was their teacher? 

Did he know that it is immoral and illegal, to give higher grades, as exchange for any kinds of favors?

Did the girls?

Were they all knowingly complicit or not? 

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