News Forum - Trump plans to ‘make America great again,’ after he faces 30 charges of business fraud

[MrStretch]

37 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

I keep hearing that Alvin Bragg ran for election on a platform that he was going to prosecute Trump, but I can't find any links for this Can anyone help?

No, that's not quite what he said.

"Throughout his campaign, Mr. Bragg boasted about his work overseeing the lawsuit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation while serving as the New York state chief deputy attorney general from 2017 to 2018.

As a result of that case, a judge ordered Mr. Trump to pay $2 million in damages and forced the shutdown of the foundation over allegations of misused funds.

Mr. Bragg cited the case in a December 2020 campaign forum as he sparred with his Democratic contenders for the Manhattan district attorney’s race.

“I have investigated Trump and his children and held them accountable for their misconduct with the Trump Foundation,” he said. “I know how to follow the facts and hold people in power accountable.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/mar/31/alvin-bragg-made-his-tough-trump-record-central-hi/

 

 

[HolyCowCm]

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Way off topic mate but yes good band and good value for money.

Ok, a sock puppet would sound better than Trump or the leaders of the domocratic party talking. They are all old fools. But even though I dislike most of them all, or totally diagree on many subjects, I still am on the opposite of any side than Trump. They guy is a bonfide naricissist seld absorbed fruit cake. Biden has his own OMG things. All narcissists need to be identified and taken out of any point of command and power. Sorry, but these fools are going to be the destruction of the planet.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Ok, a sock puppet would sound better than Trump or the leaders of the domocratic party talking. They are all old fools. But even though I dislike most of them all, or totally diagree on many subjects, I still am on the opposite of any side than Trump. They guy is a bonfide naricissist seld absorbed fruit cake. Biden has his own OMG things. All narcissists need to be identified and taken out of any point of command and power. Sorry, but these fools are going to be the destruction of the planet.

Sanders is what America needs. Sadly he will never get the chance.

[HolyCowCm]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Sanders is what America needs. Sadly he will never get the chance.

Sorry. Totally not onboard with this guy. I would rather bend the constitution and bring back Obama. And get this, I used to be a devout republican from Reagan era. Bush made me cringe and then I stood at middle for WTF! I voted for Obama. Then yes I did vote for Trump first time, and then after 2 months of his filth and false lies, said OMFnG! Hated Hillary the Devil. and yes, Bernie should have taken the top spot from those 2 evil p-ricks. Less of all the 3 evils in the race, but still toxic. 
 

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Sorry. Totally not onboard with this guy. I would rather bend the constitution and bring back Obama. And get this, I used to be a devout republican from Reagan era. Bush made me cringe and then I stood at middle for WTF! I voted for Obama. Then yes I did vote for Trump first time, and then after 2 months of his filth and false lies, said OMFnG! Hated Hillary the Devil. and yes, Bernie should have taken the top spot from those 2 evil p-ricks. Less of all the 3 evils in the race, but still toxic. 
 

You should look at what Sanders says not what is reported.

I get why you would vote for Trump the first time. Its a protest vote. High hopes he will come in and do things differently. In reality all he really achieved was to cut taxes for the richest in society of which he is one. I would not have voted for Hillary Clinton either.

Back to Sanders though. And this is academic because he will NEVER be allowed to run. Watch this. Listen to what he says. It makes a lot of sense.

 

[JohninDublin]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Sounds like something a talking head would say on Faux News.

I keep hearing it, but can find nothing to coroborate it. The people who all seem to be saying it are Trump acolytes. 

[JohninDublin]

1 hour ago, MrStretch said:

No, that's not quite what he said.

"Throughout his campaign, Mr. Bragg boasted about his work overseeing the lawsuit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation while serving as the New York state chief deputy attorney general from 2017 to 2018.

As a result of that case, a judge ordered Mr. Trump to pay $2 million in damages and forced the shutdown of the foundation over allegations of misused funds.

Mr. Bragg cited the case in a December 2020 campaign forum as he sparred with his Democratic contenders for the Manhattan district attorney’s race.

“I have investigated Trump and his children and held them accountable for their misconduct with the Trump Foundation,” he said. “I know how to follow the facts and hold people in power accountable.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/mar/31/alvin-bragg-made-his-tough-trump-record-central-hi/

Thanks for that. That explains why I can't find this on Google. I do wish the inteviewers would call out those who make that claim. 

[Marc26]

2 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

Hardly, but there are some people and areas I will not go or do not care to talk to the people who live there. And they are not gang members.. 340 million +/- is a lot diversity, a lot of hipocrisy, a lot of - weirdness, but the USA is still a great country. Let's talk about Islamic countries. No, let's not as is not allowed. Ok. let's talk about Africa. Nope. Let's not because is not allowed. 

All I can say is, hang Trump higher than the CCP spy balloon the USA finally shot down if he is proven guilty.

I don't think it is a great country

I love it and am excited every single time I go back, but by all metrics, it isn't a great country.

 

Mass shootings

Education costs

Healthcare costs

 

One of the biggest reasons is the insularity of the place...........so many of their citizens are ignorant of the world outside of them.

 

And pretty much every test, we fail

Covid, failed

Guns, failed

 

 

[JohninDublin]

41 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You should look at what Sanders says not what is reported.

I get why you would vote for Trump the first time. Its a protest vote. High hopes he will come in and do things differently. In reality all he really achieved was to cut taxes for the richest in society of which he is one. I would not have voted for Hillary Clinton either.

Back to Sanders though. And this is academic because he will NEVER be allowed to run. Watch this. Listen to what he says. It makes a lot of sense.

I like Sanders, but as most Americans don't understand the difference between Socialism, Communism and a hole in the ground, he will never be elected.

If the nomination was in my gift, I would choose Elizabeth Sanders. 

[HolyCowCm]

33 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You should look at what Sanders says not what is reported.

I get why you would vote for Trump the first time. Its a protest vote. High hopes he will come in and do things differently. In reality all he really achieved was to cut taxes for the richest in society of which he is one. I would not have voted for Hillary Clinton either.

Back to Sanders though. And this is academic because he will NEVER be allowed to run. Watch this. Listen to what he says. It makes a lot of sense.

I havelooked into Saunders. Case closed for me. Then we get back to who is the lesser evil in the running. Regardless of his/her promises, they like Trump is bad to lead. No Burney for me either. No, no on Utah Senators like Romney. But I like his surname because it represents. Although he stepped away from Trump some time ago. Yrs.

I love Erwin Rommel. Alice and a Wonderland story of Brilliance. This I like even though he was a German. So cool.

[HolyCowCm]

46 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

I keep hearing it, but can find nothing to coroborate it. The people who all seem to be saying it are Trump acolytes. 

OK! Acolytes you just coined a more funny proper more politicaly correct word for the more upper echelon USA. Even if they are religious, and define Acolytes as religious.... Reality in the dictionary states contrary. .... Thank GOD.... 

[Rookiescot]

23 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

I like Sanders, but as most Americans don't understand the difference between Socialism, Communism and a hole in the ground, he will never be elected.

If the nomination was in my gift, I would choose Elizabeth Sanders. 

Thing is John there is nothing wrong with capitalism. It works. The other options do not. 

But what we need as a society is capitalism with a conscience. There has to be limits. 3 people in America having more personal wealth than 60% of the population is not sustainable. 1% having more money than 92% is not sustainable. These things will cause society to break down.

 

[HolyCowCm]

1 hour ago, Marc26 said:

I don't think it is a great country

I love it and am excited every single time I go back, but by all metrics, it isn't a great country.

Mass shootings

Education costs

Healthcare costs

One of the biggest reasons is the insularity of the place...........so many of their citizens are ignorant of the world outside of them.

And pretty much every test, we fail

Covid, failed

Guns, failed

Reality is, costs and increases from Covid are one of the main causes from before. Remember how the US had how many deaths? 1000,000. Maybe some caused by Trumps saying it aint nothing. Then they died!

OK, now the enemy ( CCP) takes that for more or less those figures and plugs it into an equation. They do by population, state by state - which includes count- city by what they scan.

CCP. 1000 brilliant Chinese if you want to be or even if you dont, you are the CCP's slave. Or get out of there if you can, if you do not worry about Parents, G-Parents, cousins, aunts, very close family that the CCP will hit you at. It is better, the defector asks or says to his family, hey... I'm gone in 2 days. You gonna be ok with the CCP torture once they know I am gone?- FOREVER  

Leave CCP China - Face something with your blood coonection CCP land

Death to those who released the minscule concetration of the or any released virus.

Whether on purpose or not, they need to say, CRAP, we are sorry and yes, we are sorry of the virus- WE RELEASED. In old USA saying, it is:

Fess Up. - Please!

 

 

[JohninDublin]

56 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Thing is John there is nothing wrong with capitalism. It works. The other options do not. 

But what we need as a society is capitalism with a conscience. There has to be limits. 3 people in America having more personal wealth than 60% of the population is not sustainable. 1% having more money than 92% is not sustainable. These things will cause society to break down.

That's what I like about Warren: Capitalism with a conscience. https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/warren-jayapal-boyle-introduce-ultra-millionaire-tax-on-fortunes-over-50-million#:~:text=their fair share.-,The Ultra-Millionaire Tax would bring in at least %243,the University of California-Berkeley.

 

[JohninDublin]

1 hour ago, JohninDublin said:

I like Sanders, but as most Americans don't understand the difference between Socialism, Communism and a hole in the ground, he will never be elected.

If the nomination was in my gift, I would choose Elizabeth Sanders. 

Brain Fade time. I meant to say Elizabeth Warren. I think the US needs a strong dose of Warrenism.

[Marc26]

Initial reaction is the changes look flimsy 

 

I really do think bringing this weak case 1st when there are much more solid, serious charges in other cases does a disservice to the country, once again

 

 

I mean he is 100% going down for Obstruction in the MAL case

 

But this light indictment puts a shadow over those cases

 

 

[HolyCowCm]

14 hours ago, Marc26 said:

I don't think it is a great country

I love it and am excited every single time I go back, but by all metrics, it isn't a great country.

Mass shootings

Education costs

Healthcare costs

One of the biggest reasons is the insularity of the place...........so many of their citizens are ignorant of the world outside of them.

And pretty much every test, we fail

Covid, failed

Guns, failed

It has its pros and cons. Places to go see is it best attribute. As for living there with the country divided = no thank you 

[JohninDublin]

16 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Thing is John there is nothing wrong with capitalism. It works. The other options do not. 

But what we need as a society is capitalism with a conscience. There has to be limits. 3 people in America having more personal wealth than 60% of the population is not sustainable. 1% having more money than 92% is not sustainable. These things will cause society to break down.

I don't want people to think that I am espousing Marxism, but one thing that Marx was right about, was that recessions are caused by too few people having too much of the wealth. There are approximately 600k homeless in the US. If you assume that this is 200k family units (and I do appreciate that oversimplifies the problem), you can build a decent family home for $100K, total cost $200Bn. https://www.concepthome.com/house-plans/cost-to-build-less-than-100-000 Warren's wealth tax plan would raise an estimated $230-270Bn a year. 

Now of course, the new problem you have is getting industry to move to these new connurbations or extensions to existing ones.

[JohninDublin]

On 3/31/2023 at 3:00 PM, Rookiescot said:

Anyway back on topic. I am pretty sure on the occasions I have been in the local Sheriff court if I had claimed it was a "witch hunt" I would have been laughed at.

Are we now at a stage where a rich serial liar is above the law? Does the rule of law not apply to him simply because he is Trump? In his head that's probably the case but in a democracy which the US is then not so much.

The events of January the 6th should tell everyone that Trump is not fit for office. Having extramarital affairs with porn stars should tell you he is not fit for office. Tax evasion. Misuse of campaign funds. Stealing secure documents and refusing to hand them back even when ordered to do so by a court. Fraud. The list is endless.

There is no witch hunt. It is simply Trumps previous history catching up with him.

It's interesting that in a recent poll, 60% of Americans stated that they believed that the current spate of pending investigations were politically motivated. That would include a significant number of DEMS. 

They may be right, but the real question is, "Has he done anything to merit these investigations"? Would we care so much if the Senate had done their job over the impeachment process properly instead of instead of dividing along partisan lines? But most tellingly, should we be surprised that this might be politically motivated in a country where so many appointments to law and enforcement are elected along party lines?

I cannot say with any certainty that the GOP has lost it's moral compass, but I think that we might consider that Trump is not the only "Teflon Don" to have come out of New York. Gotti preceded him. One of his known traits was witness and jury intimidation and tampering. So there you are as a member of the Senate sitting in judgement on Trump, knowing that he can end your career with a few words, meanwhile those who were seen as waverers were receiving death threats if they voted the "wrong way". 

I agree with you that this is Trump's previous history catching up with him. The fact that it may be politically motivated is really an irrelevance. How critical were the US public that when Capone could not be nailed for murder and racketeering, they pursued him for tax evasion instead? I am all in favour of pursuing bad actors through any fair means. And the fact that it may be politically motivated, needs to be weighed against the politically motivated acquittal in the 1/6 Senate Trial.

[Rookiescot]

29 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

It's interesting that in a recent poll, 60% of Americans stated that they believed that the current spate of pending investigations were politically motivated. That would include a significant number of DEMS. 

They may be right, but the real question is, "Has he done anything to merit these investigations"? Would we care so much if the Senate had done their job over the impeachment process properly instead of instead of dividing along partisan lines? But most tellingly, should we be surprised that this might be politically motivated in a country where so many appointments to law and enforcement are elected along party lines?

I cannot say with any certainty that the GOP has lost it's moral compass, but I think that we might consider that Trump is not the only "Teflon Don" to have come out of New York. Gotti preceded him. One of his known traits was witness and jury intimidation and tampering. So there you are as a member of the Senate sitting in judgement on Trump, knowing that he can end your career with a few words, meanwhile those who were seen as waverers were receiving death threats if they voted the "wrong way". 

I agree with you that this is Trump's previous history catching up with him. The fact that it may be politically motivated is really an irrelevance. How critical were the US public that when Capone could not be nailed for murder and racketeering, they pursued him for tax evasion instead? I am all in favour of pursuing bad actors through any fair means. And the fact that it may be politically motivated, needs to be weighed against the politically motivated acquittal in the 1/6 Senate Trial.

What astonishes me John is his supporters do not seem it the least to care that he was having affairs with a porn actress and later a Playboy bunny while he was married.

They do not care about his tax evasion or misuse of campaign funds.

Why do I suspect that if Biden had done any of these things then Trump supporters would be calling for him to resign in disgrace.

[Marc26]

6 hours ago, JohninDublin said:

 

I cannot say with any certainty that the GOP has lost it's moral compass

Of course they have, they have zero morals

And they show it day in and day out

 

But that's fine because they also keep getting rejected by the voters every day now

 

The only way they can win is by gerrymandering

 

 

Massive rebuke in Wisconsin last night, and of course, the GOP loser was disgraceful in his concession speech

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-liberals-win-majority-rcna77190

[Marc26]

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

What astonishes me John is his supporters do not seem it the least to care that he was having affairs with a porn actress and later a Playboy bunny while he was married.

They do not care about his tax evasion or misuse of campaign funds.

Why do I suspect that if Biden had done any of these things then Trump supporters would be calling for him to resign in disgrace.

His supporters are mostly, low life scum, of course they don't care.

 

They talk about values and they have none...............

[Vigo]

9 hours ago, JohninDublin said:

I don't want people to think that I am espousing Marxism, but one thing that Marx was right about, was that recessions are caused by too few people having too much of the wealth. There are approximately 600k homeless in the US. If you assume that this is 200k family units (and I do appreciate that oversimplifies the problem), you can build a decent family home for $100K, total cost $200Bn. https://www.concepthome.com/house-plans/cost-to-build-less-than-100-000 Warren's wealth tax plan would raise an estimated $230-270Bn a year. 

Now of course, the new problem you have is getting industry to move to these new connurbations or extensions to existing ones.

A closer look at the homeless situation in the USA dispels the Marxist theory and  shows why  MAGA resonated so well with the Trump supporters. Approx. 22% of the homeless are hispanic/latino; 40% are Black and 3% are Native American. 65%+ are male. A majority are ex cons, mentally ill or drug/alcohol addicts.  The numbers that are out of proportion of the general population. Trump didn't promote the  urban myth of homeless middle/working class that the Marxist theories espouse. Rather, Trump pandered to the fears of people that the  homeless would invade and  destroy their neighborhoods, like a zombie plague.  The reality is that much of America doesn't have a homeless problem. yes there may be  a small group in  many communities, but the local social welfare systems can manage the issue. More than 50% of the homeless are located in California. And then certain large cities attract another 45%+. Cities like New York, Seattle, Portland, Austin,  Denver, Houston, Chicago, Miami and Las Vegas. These are not regions  that typically supported Trump.

 

Trump blew the homelessness situation out of

[JohninDublin]

13 hours ago, Vigo said:

Trump didn't promote the  urban myth of homeless middle/working class that the Marxist theories espouse.

To the best of my knowledge, Marx never espoused any myths about a homeless middle class. But I'd love to hear them.

[JohninDublin]

16 hours ago, Marc26 said:

Of course they have, they have zero morals

And they show it day in and day out

But that's fine because they also keep getting rejected by the voters every day now

The only way they can win is by gerrymandering

Massive rebuke in Wisconsin last night, and of course, the GOP loser was disgraceful in his concession speech

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-liberals-win-majority-rcna77190

I was trying to be kind to the GOP. There are more than a few on here who can't wait to expose my anti-Tory credentials anytime I say something that is critical of the UK gov. It's always easier to shoot the messenger for them.