News Forum - Trump plans to ‘make America great again,’ after he faces 30 charges of business fraud

[Thaiger]

In a historical first, former US President Donald Trump is facing over 30 charges related to business fraud from a Manhattan grand jury. Trump’s response was “witch hunt” and to “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” According to two sources familiar with the case, Trump is set to appear in court on Tuesday to answer to these …

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[TheDirtyDurian]

MAGA MAGA MAGA! Sounds a bit tired by now

[Chatogaster]

2 hours ago, Thaiger said:

No ex-leader has ever faced criminal charges, let alone while running again for president.

 

Precedents are important but I don't see the fuss about absence of precedents: there has to be a first time for everything, so there shouldn't be any surprise that sometimes something happens for the first time (making it -- by definition -- unprecedented).

As a fact it isn't even accurate: Desi Bouterse was sentenced to 20 years in prison while being ex-president (for the purists: he was president at the time, but since it was his 2nd term he was an ex-president as well). If for no reason the argument "but that wasn't a real democracy" is injected: what about Benjamin Netanyahu, Silvio Berlusconi, Najib Razak, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Nicolas Sarkozy, etc. ?

For the USA, it may be the first time (but only after ignoring all leaders in the USA on all lower levels in all of history, and after taking presidential pardons for the top level into account), so limited to that context it rightfully can be called unprecedented. Still, if someone cries "unprecedented" with a couple of question and exclamation marks attached, despite all that effort it remains a word to simply describe that an event happened for the first time.

In short: it's a logical fallacy to equate the absence of a precedent to follow up on a criminal charge to there being a precedent to not follow up on a criminal charge.

[BigHewer]

3 hours ago, Thaiger said:

Trump’s response was “witch hunt”

Is there any other way to see it? Prosecutors with an agenda, determination and lots of free time.

Oh well, I do like De Santis but this persecution will rally the base and hand Trump the nomination by default.

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, BigHewer said:

Is there any other way to see it? Prosecutors with an agenda, determination and lots of free time.

Oh well, I do like De Santis but this persecution will rally the base and hand Trump the nomination by default.

I hope so but cannot see it happening. Trump becoming the Republican candidate is the Democrats road to success regardless of who they put up.

Trumps power base, though very vocal, is not actually that large. Many Republicans will simply not turn out to vote but on the other side he will motivate Democrats to vote. In the same way Hillary Clinton turned off democrats. They stayed at home.

The powers that be in the Republican party know this. So at the moment they will defend Trump but there is no way they are going to back a guaranteed loser for the nomination.

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

4 hours ago, Thaiger said:

This story is set to twist and turn but it is doubtful whether it will make warmongering America great again.

No name attached to this news item, looks like an opinion piece by the Thaiger.

[Marc26]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I hope so but cannot see it happening. Trump becoming the Republican candidate is the Democrats road to success regardless of who they put up.

Trumps power base, though very vocal, is not actually that large. Many Republicans will simply not turn out to vote but on the other side he will motivate Democrats to vote. In the same way Hillary Clinton turned off democrats. They stayed at home.

The powers that be in the Republican party know this. So at the moment they will defend Trump but there is no way they are going to back a guaranteed loser for the nomination.

Trump will be the nominee

Simply because if he isn't he will blow up the Republican party

 

He would run as an independent to torpedo any chance of a Republican winning the election

[BigHewer]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I hope so but cannot see it happening. Trump becoming the Republican candidate is the Democrats road to success regardless of who they put up.

Trumps power base, though very vocal, is not actually that large. Many Republicans will simply not turn out to vote but on the other side he will motivate Democrats to vote. In the same way Hillary Clinton turned off democrats. They stayed at home.

The powers that be in the Republican party know this. So at the moment they will defend Trump but there is no way they are going to back a guaranteed loser for the nomination.

Probably for another topic, but I think a lot of people now would vote for anyone but Biden when they previously did, whereas Trump’s support is solid. 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, BigHewer said:

Probably for another topic, but I think a lot of people now would vote for anyone but Biden when they previously did, whereas Trump’s support is solid. 

Why anyone but Biden? I personally dont think Biden will get the nomination from the Democrats. Hes too old and will make way too many gaffs in a hard campaign. He got away with it last time because of covid. 

Harris will most likely be the Democrat nominee. They have been very careful to keep her away from anything stinky.

As I said Trumps supporters are very vocal. It's become a cult of personality. But it's not as big as everyone believes. 

[Marc26]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Why anyone but Biden? I personally dont think Biden will get the nomination from the Democrats. Hes too old and will make way too many gaffs in a hard campaign. He got away with it last time because of covid. 

Harris will most likely be the Democrat nominee. They have been very careful to keep her away from anything stinky.

As I said Trumps supporters are very vocal. It's become a cult of personality. But it's not as big as everyone believes. 

Biden will be the nominee, he has had too many legislative wins not to be

 

Biden surely has his gaffs, but he actually knows what he is doing in terms of the job

 

PS.....Even with all that, and I will vote for him, I do think it's ridiculous our choices are 70's and 80'syr old men

[BigHewer]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Harris will most likely be the Democrat nominee

I sincerely hope so, as this will guarantee a Republican victory. 

There will be a major pushback on values in the next election. De Santis would win in a landslide of 1984 proportions. Trump, let’s see. Anyway, veering off topic now so we’ll reconvene in a future thread

[Rookiescot]

17 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

Trump will be the nominee

Simply because if he isn't he will blow up the Republican party

He would run as an independent to torpedo any chance of a Republican winning the election

Would never be allowed to happen. The Republican party has way too much power for him to even try it. 

It would be financial suicide. 

[Marc26]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Would never be allowed to happen. The Republican party has way too much power for him to even try it. 

It would be financial suicide. 

Has too much power?

 

They have been held hostage by this guy going on 8 years now.................

[MrStretch]

49 minutes ago, BigHewer said:

Is there any other way to see it? Prosecutors with an agenda, determination and lots of free time.

Oh well, I do like De Santis but this persecution will rally the base and hand Trump the nomination by default.

Never happen.

Because he and his diminishing number of supporters are extremely loud, people are convinced they are a force.  They aren't.

Criminals are criminals.  Cheeto Jesus should have been indicted or imprisoned for a whole lot of reasons that aren't related to this particular indictment.

Even if he is found guilty it won't garner him any more votes and he hasn't a chance of a snowball in hell of actually returning to the White House.

More likely, he'll be spending time in the Big House.

[HolyCowCm]

Unfortunately he is good at making America great, a Great divided mess that is. 

[Rookiescot]

Anyway back on topic. I am pretty sure on the occasions I have been in the local Sheriff court if I had claimed it was a "witch hunt" I would have been laughed at.

Are we now at a stage where a rich serial liar is above the law? Does the rule of law not apply to him simply because he is Trump? In his head that's probably the case but in a democracy which the US is then not so much.

The events of January the 6th should tell everyone that Trump is not fit for office. Having extramarital affairs with porn stars should tell you he is not fit for office. Tax evasion. Misuse of campaign funds. Stealing secure documents and refusing to hand them back even when ordered to do so by a court. Fraud. The list is endless.

There is no witch hunt. It is simply Trumps previous history catching up with him.

 

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

Has too much power?

They have been held hostage by this guy going on 8 years now.................

No they let him win one nomination and a presidency. After the he has done nothing but lose.

Look at the midterms. Anyone associated with Trump lost.

[BigHewer]

12 minutes ago, MrStretch said:

Never happen.

Because he and his diminishing number of supporters are extremely loud, people are convinced they are a force.  They aren't.

It always amazes how people come to have such strong convictions that have absolutely no basis in reality or likelihood of coming to pass. Fair enough. Each to their own. 

Trump will be the nominee.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, BigHewer said:

It always amazes how people come to have such strong convictions that have absolutely no basis in reality or likelihood of coming to pass. Fair enough. Each to their own. 

Trump will be the nominee.

We shall put a pint on that BigH. 

 

[Karolyn]

Liberals hate Trump, Conservatives love him, but be realist. His legacy will be, he never did build that wall

[MrStretch]

34 minutes ago, BigHewer said:

It always amazes how people come to have such strong convictions that have absolutely no basis in reality or likelihood of coming to pass.

Trump will be the nominee.

I'm a Yank that spent quite a few years in the media and working with political consultants before I left the States.  While I have been surprised by a few election issues over the years, I can say, with a great deal of confidence that he will never grace the White House again.  Never.

Nor do I think he'll be the nominee, in all honesty.  Aside from the nutcases like MTG, Gaetz, Gosar, Graham and the rest of the clowns in the circus, there really isn't that much support for him.  It's more a case of not wanting to anger that vocal minority. 

They'll be glad to be rid of him and if he splits the Republican vote and allows for another Democratic win but they get to shed themselves of the albatross around their necks, that he is, I'll think they say, "That's the price, let's get ready for the next election."

I'll match Rookiescot's pint, as well.

I like free beer.

By the way, did you see how many turned out for that "protest" he called for last Tuesday in New York regarding the indictment he said was coming?  Less than a half dozen showed up.

[Marc26]

8 minutes ago, MrStretch said:

I'm a Yank that spent quite a few years in the media and working with political consultants before I left the States.  While I have been surprised by a few election issues over the years, I can say, with a great deal of confidence that he will never grace the White House again.  Never.

Nor do I think he'll be the nominee, in all honesty.  Aside from the nutcases like MTG, Gaetz, Gosar, Graham and the rest of the clowns in the circus, there really isn't that much support for him.  It's more a case of not wanting to anger that vocal minority. 

They'll be glad to be rid of him and if he splits the Republican vote and allows for another Democratic win but they get to shed themselves of the albatross around their necks, that he is, I'll think they say, "That's the price, let's get ready for the next election."

I'll match Rookiescot's pint, as well.

I like free beer.

By the way, did you see how many turned out for that "protest" he called for last Tuesday in New York regarding the indictment he said was coming?  Less than a half dozen showed up.

He got 74 million votes.......

 

He will be the nominee and I don't think he will win the Presidential election, I am not 100% sure

[Gord]

15 minutes ago, MrStretch said:

I'm a Yank that spent quite a few years in the media and working with political consultants before I left the States.  While I have been surprised by a few election issues over the years, I can say, with a great deal of confidence that he will never grace the White House again.  Never.

Nor do I think he'll be the nominee, in all honesty.  Aside from the nutcases like MTG, Gaetz, Gosar, Graham and the rest of the clowns in the circus, there really isn't that much support for him.  It's more a case of not wanting to anger that vocal minority. 

They'll be glad to be rid of him and if he splits the Republican vote and allows for another Democratic win but they get to shed themselves of the albatross around their necks, that he is, I'll think they say, "That's the price, let's get ready for the next election."

I'll match Rookiescot's pint, as well.

I like free beer.

By the way, did you see how many turned out for that "protest" he called for last Tuesday in New York regarding the indictment he said was coming?  Less than a half dozen showed up.

It's NY...hardly a conservative stronghold. People would be crazy to push in NY. FLA or TX would work better but idk. I only follow politics for...oh wait..i don't follow politics at all except for comedic gaffes by dems. Those people all the same.

[Rookiescot]

15 minutes ago, Gord said:

It's NY...hardly a conservative stronghold. People would be crazy to push in NY. FLA or TX would work better but idk. I only follow politics for...oh wait..i don't follow politics at all except for comedic gaffes by dems. Those people all the same.

While ignoring the gaffs/lies by Trump.

 

[Marc26]

35 minutes ago, Gord said:

..i don't follow politics at all except for comedic gaffes by dems. Those people all the same.

You apparently have never seen MTG or Lauren Boebert open their mouths 5555