Children/extension requirement query

[Santa]

Can someone explain why, every year, I have to show photo's of my 3 children? Plus produce their birth certificates? I'm applying for an extension based on marriage. My kids, as I see things, have nothing to do with my extension. And when do the immigration stop asking for their details ie the legal age they are seen to not be children? I understand 16 is the possible age?

7 years old for compulsory ID card.

16 years for legal sex

18 years to work in the sex industry. Of which there is none in Thailand. 

Anymore?

[Santa]

Sorry I believe it's 15 for consentual sex and 20 is when they're classified as adults. You what????????

[BlueSphinx]

12 minutes ago, Santa said:

Can someone explain why, every year, I have to show photo's of my 3 children? Plus produce their birth certificates? I'm applying for an extension based on marriage.

When you are applying for a 1-year extension based on your original Non Imm O or O-A Visa for reason of MARRIAGE to a Thai national, there is indeed NO reason for your local Imm Office to require data regarding your children.

But are you sure that you are indeed applying for reason of MARRIAGE, as it is possible that Immigration is handling your application as a 1-year extension for reason of Thai dependant children.

The difference is relevant, because the financial requirements while on a Marriage-extension stipulate that you provide evidence of +400.000 THB on a personal Thai bank-account, that have been kept there for at least 2 months prior to the date of your application.  And you have to keep these funds there until your marriage-extension application has been approved by Divisional headquarters, but once you have that 'marriage extension' stamp in your passport you are free to use the funds as you please.

The difference with a 1-year extension application for reason of Thai dependent children, is that in that case you do not need to keep the +400K on your personal Thai bank-account for two months prior to your application, but you only need to provide evidence of those +400K being there at the moment of your application. 

So if it is indeed the Marriage-extension procedure you follow, your local Imm Office should not require you to provide any info re your Thai dependent children.  But if you like to make use of that option to free +400K for those 2 months, you might as well apply for your 1-year extension for reason of dependent children.

[Santa]

30 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

there is indeed NO reason for your local Imm Office to require data regarding your children.

I agree. Way back I used to do the Retirement Extension, before they change the finance requirements, as I found a Retirement Extension to be plain sailing over a Marriage Extension. Now that was about 3 years ago that it was changed and since then I've done my last extensions as being married. In doing so they ask for documentation regarding my 3 kids. I have a 14 year old daughter and twin boy/girl aged 12. As I said they make me produce paperwork/photo's to their identities every year. I'm registered married to their mother of which I have to produce a copy of the KR2 (marriage cert) so there can't be a misunderstanding.

My office is Buriram.

[Santa]

 

List of documents for Support Thai Wife

1. Visa Extension Form (TM.7)
2. Passport or Travel Documents
3. Non-Immigrant Visa
4. Marriage Certificate.(If from abord have to certified by The Embassy or Consulate in Thailand) and Certificate of family, Certificate of marriage.
5. Thai wife ‘s I.D. Card
6. House register of Thai wife
7. Children ‘s Birth Certificate
8. Letter from Thai Bank certified money in thai account (Alien’s Name) more than 400,000 Baht 2 months before, bank book and ATM slip on date of application OR
9. Income or Pension have to certified by The Embassy or Consulate in Thailand and Show income more than 40,000 Baht/month
10. Map to Home
11. Family Photo

 

[HolyCowCm]

Should make is easier for you to get approved without them double guessing your marriage. Why would this be a problem?

[Faz]

Hi Santa,

At a guess when you submitted your first application for an extension based on Thai spouse, your wife gave to much information about your family situation.

As @BlueSphinxalready advised, there is absolutely no need or requirement to involve your children in the application process if it's based on 'marriage' and it's sounds as though it is if you have to obtain a Kor Ror 2.
At the top of your extension stamp, the reason for issuance is stamped usually in Thai.
Does it state 'marriage'?

If it's just a case of supplying photo's and copies of the children's birth certificates, it's not a big issue and hardly worth kicking up a stink. However if the children are required to attend for the application, then that's a different matter and you should take the issue up with the senior officer or ring 1178 for advice.
Taking the children out of school is detrimental to their education when it's unnecessary.

[Faz]

13 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Should make is easier for you to get approved without them double guessing your marriage. Why would this be a problem?

There is no guessing involved.
The wife must attend with the applicant and the Kor Ror 2 confirms you are still legally married.

[HolyCowCm]

9 minutes ago, Faz said:

There is no guessing involved.
The wife must attend with the applicant and the Kor Ror 2 confirms you are still legally married.

I don't buy that one. They look for clicks that don't click. Could be still married and don't live together and things aren't warm, or a paid thing and you don't know each other. I have done it for a long long time now and every time we get a new officer they look and ask odd things or things we should both nod at. Hasn't there been a recent over the last year busts of Indians who falsely married? And Nigerians?

[Santa]

54 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Should make is easier for you to get approved without them double guessing your marriage. Why would this be a problem?

No it doesn't. It means we have to get photo's that we don't really need and photocopies of birth certificates that are not needed. My question was at 'what age do we stop having to stop verifying the children are ours?'

[Faz]

1 minute ago, Santa said:

No it doesn't. It means we have to get photo's that we don't really need and photocopies of birth certificates that are not needed. My question was at 'what age do we stop having to stop verifying the children are ours?'

Children by definition become classed as adults at age 20 in Thailand.

[Faz]

32 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

I don't buy that one. They look for clicks that don't click. Could be still married and don't live together and things aren't warm, or a paid thing and you don't know each other. I have done it for a long long time now and every time we get a new officer they look and ask odd things or things we should both nod at. Hasn't there been a recent over the last year busts of Indians who falsely married? And Nigerians?

What does that have to do with the involvement of children for an application based on Thai spouse.

[HolyCowCm]

1 hour ago, Santa said:

No it doesn't. It means we have to get photo's that we don't really need and photocopies of birth certificates that are not needed. My question was at 'what age do we stop having to stop verifying the children are ours?'

Not telling. 18 or 20 unless still in University or married, but for me its opposite since my original is based on kids, but they ask me for my marriage cert (which I have) and for the Mrs. / mom to be present with me. Anyway, extra copies? You have to have family copies of you and your wife anyway in certain rooms, so why would adding them in the photos be any more of a pain in the arse? Personally, no disrespect, it sounds like you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Now if they wanted to see your kids with you now that is a pain worth griping about. For me they never ask, just what schools or now their universities. And after this when it is not required I will still insist they are my Thai family members for the extension based on kids and family.

[HolyCowCm]

1 hour ago, Faz said:

What does that have to do with the involvement of children for an application based on Thai spouse.

It shows it is authentic. They like to intertwine both the wife and the kids.

Edited July 12, 2021 by HolyCowCm

[Santa]

I personally think they these add on documents are help to use as tea money leverage. The last thing you want after driving a 100km to see them is for immigration to ask for documents that aren't really necessary but they insist on seeing. Happened to me once before at Buriram IO. The IO officer knew me and the wife didn't want to go get the document. So he wrote out a figure on a piece of paper and slipped it to my wife and said 'that will do instead' of doing another round trip. I did the round trip again.

[Faz]

14 minutes ago, Santa said:

Happened to me once before at Buriram IO. The IO officer knew me and the wife didn't want to go get the document. So he wrote out a figure on a piece of paper and slipped it to my wife and said 'that will do instead' of doing another round trip. I did the round trip again.

I'd have done the same. It's not the money, it's a stand against corruption and the principal.