News Forum - Cambodia claims Louis Vuitton logo inspired by ancient Khmer art

[Thaiger]

A media outlet in Cambodia claims that the symbol on the famous Louis Vuitton logo is inspired by ancient Khmer art. Facebook page ‘Ebook Cambodia’ posted a photo of a classic Louis Vuitton handbag against an ancient Cambodian stone carving of an Apsara, a type of historical divine dancer known for exquisite costumes and captivating …

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[Dom4Thai]

Not surprising about the claims. Cambodia was once a French Colony. Misappropriation is indeed beginning to take root. Historical pillagings by the Westerners and Vietnam wars now return with more 'bites'! Best for these organizations to return the stolen loot and recognised the sources. People are now more aware because of  education. 

Edited February 6, 2023 by Dom4Thai

[francoa]

Cambodia is lately on fire. 
 

So, LV is cambodian design, Muai Thai is not called Muai Thai and is also from Cambodia. Okay

[MrStretch]

So what?

This idea that a symbol, a mode of dress, or a hairstyle can't be used by anyone but the culture that originated it centuries or millennia ago is just foolish.

Cambodia seems to be pushing an identity thing lately. 

[Marc26]

30 minutes ago, francoa said:

Cambodia is lately on fire. 
Muai Thai is not called Muai Thai and is also from Cambodia. Okay

Haha, my wife was just complaining about "Cambuja" about this yesterday!

[Dom4Thai]

2 hours ago, MrStretch said:

So what?

This idea that a symbol, a mode of dress, or a hairstyle can't be used by anyone but the culture that originated it centuries or millennia ago is just foolish.

Cambodia seems to be pushing an identity thing lately. 

In the Western music industry or fashion world or software, it is called intellectual property theft and can be criminally charged and sued. So, you claim it's an age old thingy, so don't bother? I sense a bit of Western Colonialism here! 

[joseph]

...and Nazis took the swastika from the American Indians? 

[Bluesofa]

44 minutes ago, joseph said:

...and Nazis took the swastika from the American Indians? 

More likely from the Indians in India, seeing as they stole the word too: The word swastika comes from Sanskrit: svastika, meaning "conducive to well-being"
An important early use of the word swastika in a European text was in 1871 with the publications of Heinrich Schliemann,
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika  

It's exactly the same origin as the Thai word 'sawsdee'. In fact the Nazis used the word before the Thais, as the Nazis started using it in the 1930s.
The word was introduced to Thailand in the early 1940s.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_greeting#Origins   

[Bluesofa]

9 hours ago, Thaiger said:

A media outlet in Cambodia claims that the symbol on the famous Louis Vuitton logo is inspired by ancient Khmer art.

Perhaps the Cambodians will claim they've got Pat. Pending on it.

[Soidog]

The idea of misappropriation or cultural appropriation is utter nonsense. It assumes and promotes the idea that individual cultures are set by hard boundaries and 100% pure. That anyone who was born out of chance in to one culture is forever more restricted by that culture. It’s divisive and isolationist in its approach. A white woman wearing dreadlocks or a white man wearing Native American Indian jewellery is deemed wrong. No culture is pure and to isolate a culture, by definition is divisive.
 

This modern day attitude towards it is nothing more than a tool to be used by those who promote the idea of the evil western white population. It doesn’t help the actual cultures or the countries where those cultures exist. It limits and isolates those cultures from greater awareness through promotion by those who don’t share the same culture.  
 

It’s as absurd as suggesting that people who are Buddhist mathematicians or Islamic mathematicians should not engage in Christianity based mathematics as it’s not their culture. To use mathematical symbols first used by the ancient Greeks should not be allowed to be used by Japanese scholars. 
How many Black people have gone on to enjoy tennis as a result of the Williams sisters taking up Tennis  Are Asian politicians wrong to wear western style business suits and ties? Of course not,  it’s their choice what to wear and they shouldn’t be limited by the cultural norms they just happened to be born in to.  Do we close down all Mexican restaurants around the world as eating Tacos are not the culture of Asians? Should an American not be allowed to eat Thai food as it’s not American culture to eat Phad Thai? It’s utter insanity to suggest they should and simply destroys the enjoyment and diversity of mankind.

The virtue signallers happily jump on this latest fad as they assume it works in only one direction. Truth is it doesn’t and the whole argument quickly falls down. 
 

Cultures have always mixed and rightly so. To try to isolate cultures now would be a major step back in human development and a more inclusive and diverse population. Something the very same virtue signallers claim to promote. 

[Dom4Thai]

Soidog is a Colonial dog. Yeah, it's people like you that's Whitewash every Anglo-Saxon bull to the rest of the world. Ask yourself who created slavery, human tralfficking, wars, White supremacies, etc. The rest of the world will come calling soon for reparations. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Dom4Thai

[HiuMak]

16 hours ago, Thaiger said:

A media outlet in Cambodia claims that the symbol on the famous Louis Vuitton logo is inspired by ancient Khmer art.

and Pigs can fly?

[Dom4Thai]

The motifs are from ancient walls. Apparently those days pigs were delicacies. 

[Bluesofa]

1 hour ago, Dom4Thai said:

The motifs are from ancient walls. Apparently those days pigs were delicacies. 

I take it this wasn't from the Great Walls of China, as they invented ice cream.

[Grumpish]

2 hours ago, Dom4Thai said:

Soidog is a Colonial dog. Yeah, it's people like you that's Whitewash every Anglo-Saxon bull to the rest of the world. Ask yourself who created slavery, human tralfficking, wars, White supremacies, etc. The rest of the world will come calling soon for reparations. 

Someone needs to read a few history books, methinks. So the evil white man invented slavery and human trafficking? Really? 

[DWSC]

37 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

Someone needs to read a few history books, methinks. So the evil white man invented slavery and human trafficking? Really? 

Sodom and Gomorrah! 

[DWSC]

1 hour ago, Bluesofa said:

I take it this wasn't from the Great Walls of China, as they invented ice cream.

No, it wasn't. It's in Cambodia, courtesy of Hun Sen, Xi, and Putin

 

[Five]

They have a point about Muay Thai, it came from a cultural influence of an ancient sport that is thought to have originated in southern India. They most certainly didn't invent it, even if they did, it's not like copyright laws existed back then!

 

[Dom4Thai]

Whether existed or not the claimants do have a point. 

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, Dom4Thai said:

Soidog is a Colonial dog. Yeah, it's people like you that's Whitewash every Anglo-Saxon bull to the rest of the world. Ask yourself who created slavery, human tralfficking, wars, White supremacies, etc. The rest of the world will come calling soon for reparations. 

Slavery goes all the way back to when humans were still hunter gathers. First started getting used on a large scale in Mesopotamia about 5000 years ago. Pretty sure wars and human trafficking have been around for that long as well.

All your Mediterranean empires (Greeks, Romans, Egyptians etc) all had slaves on a large scale. As did India, the Middle east and China.

But of course the ONLY slavery you care to mention is European slave traders. Which is ironic given it was the European countries which ended the slave trade especially with their colonization of Africa. You're welcome.

So educate yourself before posting in a public forum accusing people of "Whitewashing". I say this as a Celt not an Anglo Saxon BTW.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

[Khunmark]

Nothing to see here. Unless someone can point to some moral indignation on display from Cambodia- where is the controversy ? As far as I can tell the article was a celebration of Khmer design. There was a vague reference to a Cambodian media outlet, and that’s all we’ve been given. A lot of assumptions being made.

[MrStretch]

16 hours ago, Dom4Thai said:

In the Western music industry or fashion world or software, it is called intellectual property theft and can be criminally charged and sued. So, you claim it's an age old thingy, so don't bother? I sense a bit of Western Colonialism here! 

No, this is NOT intellectual property theft.  None of these ancient designs, patterns, or artworks are held by a copyright, patent, or other attestation regarding the creation of the original work.

Just because a culture is responsible for the creation of something doesn't mean that the rest of the world can't use it.  If that were the case, paper, gunpowder, flint arrowheads, and spear heads could never be used or produced by anyone else.

 

[Grumpish]

36 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Slavery goes all the way back to when humans were still hunter gathers. First started getting used on a large scale in Mesopotamia about 5000 years ago. Pretty sure wars and human trafficking have been around for that long as well.

All your Mediterranean empires (Greeks, Romans, Egyptians etc) all had slaves on a large scale. As did India, the Middle east and China.

But of course the ONLY slavery you care to mention is European slave traders. Which is ironic given it was the European countries which ended the slave trade especially with their colonization of Africa. You're welcome.

So educate yourself before posting in a public forum accusing people of "Whitewashing". I say this as a Celt not an Anglo Saxon BTW.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Sadly, war predates the first humans climbing out of the trees - troops of chimpanzees have been observed fighting bloody battles over territory. And so, interestingly, does prostitution, females trading sexual favours to dominant males in exchange for extra food is behaviour that has been seen in bonobos.

[Soidog]

8 hours ago, Dom4Thai said:

Soidog is a Colonial dog. Yeah, it's people like you that's Whitewash every Anglo-Saxon bull to the rest of the world. Ask yourself who created slavery, human tralfficking, wars, White supremacies, etc. The rest of the world will come calling soon for reparations. 

I don’t believe in whitewashing or hiding any history. However I don’t believe I should be apologising for the actions from generations ago. I don’t hear the Egyptians or the Chinese apologising for the slaves they no doubt used to build the pyramids or the Great Wall. 
 

You aren’t bold enough or perhaps not proud enough to state your nationality and so it’s hard to debate with you. However, you seem a bigoted individual which is problematic to informed debate. 

[Soidog]

1 hour ago, MrStretch said:

Just because a culture is responsible for the creation of something doesn't mean that the rest of the world can't use it.  If that were the case, paper, gunpowder, flint arrowheads, and spear heads could never be used or produced by anyone else.

Or mathematics, physics, chemistry and biology.
 

If @Dom4Thai had his way we would need to stop any student from a particular culture attempting to study and learn such knowledge as this would be cultural appropriation. Perhaps it only appropriation when it’s a white westerner who does it? Everyone else can carry on including using the Thai alphabet which I believe is based on southern Indian script.  
 

Basically, cultural appropriation is claptrap. It was jumped on by the snowflakes who saw distasteful, possibly racist fools in the modern day using blackface. They then extrapolate a good point to the point where it becomes absurd and turns away most rational people. What you are left with is the nut jobs who are looking for a purpose in life.