News Forum - Musk’s Twitter: hate speech spikes, execs sacked, Trump happy

[Thaiger]

The takeover of Twitter by Elon Musk began with an awkward stab at a humorous tweet, the sacking of some top executives, and a LOT of hate speech. The site saw an immediate sharp rise in hate speech and disinformation posts by users who believe Musk’s anti-censorship stance will usher in a Twitter free-for-all. Public feelings are mixed about the world’s richest man running one of the world’s most popular social media platforms. But banned Twitter user and controversial former US President Donald Trump is excited at the chance of being allowed back on the platform. Musk first announced his […]

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[Marble-eye]

7 minutes ago, Thaiger said:

The takeover of Twitter by Elon Musk began with an awkward stab at a humorous tweet, the sacking of some top executives, and a LOT of hate speech. The site saw an immediate sharp rise in hate speech and disinformation posts by users who believe Musk’s anti-censorship stance will usher in a Twitter free-for-all. Public feelings are mixed about the world’s richest man running one of the world’s most popular social media platforms. But banned Twitter user and controversial former US President Donald Trump is excited at the chance of being allowed back on the platform. Musk first announced his […]

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Well done Elon, I lost 7 followers just prior to him taking over, so I personally messaged him and asked him if he could pull some strings and see if he could personally work it so I got my followers back.

[Rookiescot]

Thing is other communication platforms are available so people unhappy with Musk's actions will simply start using them.

Musk is not that stupid. His ego may be an issue but if he radically changes Twitter then it will be overtaken by another app and his investment (always using other peoples money) will be a disaster.

[Marc26]

I use Twitter a lot

 

And the amount of people freaking out is absurd 

 

If it ends up that I no longer like it, then so be it

I'd stop using it

 

The main concern is Trump being allowed to incite his scum MAGA's

He already does that 

So who cares if he does it on Twitter 

 

And it's only the real scum that still follow him and he will lose more and more and become irrelevant 

[Soidog]

7 hours ago, Thaiger said:

The takeover of Twitter by Elon Musk began with an awkward stab at a humorous tweet, the sacking of some top executives, and a LOT of hate speech. The site saw an immediate sharp rise in hate speech and disinformation posts by users who believe Musk’s anti-censorship stance will usher in a Twitter free-for-all. Public feelings are mixed about the world’s richest man running one of the world’s most popular social media platforms. But banned Twitter user and controversial former US President Donald Trump is excited at the chance of being allowed back on the platform. Musk first announced his […]

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I didn’t like Trump as a man. He is an embarrassing ignorant man. However, I do like many of his policies and his underlying tone of taking care of America and Americans first. Surely that’s the task of any leader of a country? I hope he is allowed back on Twitter. Always good for a laugh if nothing else. 

[Marc26]

33 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I didn’t like Trump as a man. He is an embarrassing ignorant man. However, I do like many of his policies and his underlying tone of taking care of America and Americans first. Surely that’s the task of any leader of a country? I hope he is allowed back on Twitter. Always good for a laugh if nothing else. 

Come on

You are more intelligent than that

 

He led an insurrection against America's democracy and he continues to try and take down it's democracy

 

There is nothing more you can take care of America than it's democracy

 

To then say he cares about America and Americans is a bit rich

 

He cares about Donald Trump and would let the country burn

[23RD]

2 hours ago, Marc26 said:

He led an insurrection against America's democracy and he continues to try and take down it's democracy

OMG have you ever put a worse piece of fake news on this Forum Marc ???

 

[Grumpish]

Hate speech or hurty words that made faux-offended snowflakes run for their safe spaces? The likes of Trump are fools - but not liking what they say is not a reason for banning them from saying it.

  

[Smithydog]

I personally don't like ex-President Trump or the MAGA crazies. But then I also don't like extremists at the other end of the political spectrum. However, let's try and put that aside for the moment.

The election with then President Trump was really where we saw the challenges arise with social media commentary, especially Twitter. Whether Elon Musk can change that is doubtful as whilst he controls the company, the contributors/users and laws control the medium and drive the policies they are sometimes forced to adopt.

To me, what we are seeing now is the aftermath and not the original source of the problem. Accepted that at this stage, ex-President Trump has yet to face court and be convicted for actions he is accused of, but there is a distinctive trend towards this happening in the judicial system. Right or wrong, political or criminally proven, only time will tell.

However, what is noticeable is that it is one thing to say it in the open but very different under oath in court. Hence why so many aides and former supporters appear to be changing their stories from what they publicly supported. Their earlier rhetoric really was just another form of propaganda, but faced with potential legal consequences, earlier bravery may not be so forthcoming. And it is that propaganda style of speech that Twitter propagates very well and will be an issue for Elon Musk to deal with.

Whether ex-President Trump incited actions knowingly for personal gain, or simply because he was so tied up in his own insatiable path for attention, is irrespective. The damage has been done, as we have seen with the riot at the US Congress and the recent attack on Speaker Pelosi's husband.

Personally to me, regardless of the reason, I think it was the worst time possible, from a social media perspective, for someone like him to be the President. He simply comes across lacking a clear sense of adult responsibility and projects that it is more about stroking the ego.

To me, what was needed was someone who could build sensible adult conversation and debate in new developing social media avenues, like Twitter. They may have had better chance controlling the inevitable crazies that would infiltrate such a conversation medium.

Sadly at the time of his first election, I don't think the choices for Americans were overly that great, and there is nothing to suggest we wouldn't have seen something similar arise if Clinton was elected. Fierce partisan divide was clearly growing at an alarming rate as it was. It is in that environment that the extremists at either end of the political system thrive in and do their worse.

[NoriT]

Great news.. the truth can now be told on the ingredients of the mRNA injections, including the latest news from Australin Doctor David Nixon on Rumble.  Once Twitter banned me for that, as did many other sites.  60 years in the Optimum Health Industry leads one in many directions.

[Soidog]

10 hours ago, Marc26 said:

Come on

You are more intelligent than that

He led an insurrection against America's democracy and he continues to try and take down it's democracy

There is nothing more you can take care of America than it's democracy

To then say he cares about America and Americans is a bit rich

He cares about Donald Trump and would let the country burn

Looking at the posts of @Grumpishand @Smithydog, they have both nailed the issue nicely. As I said before. I didn’t like Trump, he was and is clearly a narcissist. He’s an embarrassment to the office of President and was voted out fairly and squarely. 
 

The issue or problem if you like, is that Trump gave voice to millions of normal everyday people who simply are sick and tired of the airtime the opposite end of the political spectrum is getting. A person gets time on Prime time national news to talk about how they identify as 20 different genders and yet a person who dares to say keep Britain for British is labelled a right wing extremist. 
 

A world where the company I work for has started a series of unconscious social bias and racism training course. Where HR systems have had to be changed to allow people to select their preferred pronouns and we discuss in meetings how to accommodate transgender toilet facilities. A world where I’m told I have to respect the cultures of other countries and white kids are told not to braid their hair as it’s cultural appropriation, while at the same time I have to watch my towns and cities spend money on building mosques and Hindu temples. 
 

I have no issue whatsoever with race, religion or gender identity. But I do have a problem where the media continually ram these issues down my throat. Where social media platforms allow a person to talk about LGBTQ+ issues and yet bans or censors people who hold the view that mass immigration is bad for a country and many immigrants are criminals. Where police forces in Britain turned a blind eye to internet grooming gangs because the gang members were all part of the local Asian community. Turned a blind eye for fear of sparking race riots. How can any of this be fair and reasonable? 
 

So, when someone with the power and authority of the President of the United State says some of these things. The relief is overwhelming. People look beyond the person and hold dear the fact their voices are being heard. 
 

The world and in particular, the Western world needs to find a way to have a proper sensible adult debate on these topics. At the moment those expressing these views are written off as “old privileged white guys”. Well, what I’ve observed is many of the “Old white guys” don’t have time or the inclination for social media. It is the younger age groups who are increasingly worried that their world is being changed beyond what feels comfortable. This is when we get Donald Trump and even Brexit. We need to find a way to debate these topics in a safe way. If not, the anarchists and Chinese/Russian secret services will continue to exploit this gap in our society and drive the division in opinions we see, even on this forum! 

[Marty]

Great to be able to have a Balanced opinion again without being censored by Dictators on a Platform. 

[Marc26]

11 hours ago, Soidog said:

Looking at the posts of @Grumpishand @Smithydog, they have both nailed the issue nicely. As I said before. I didn’t like Trump, he was and is clearly a narcissist. He’s an embarrassment to the office of President and was voted out fairly and squarely. 
 

The issue or problem if you like, is that Trump gave voice to millions of normal everyday people who simply are sick and tired of the airtime the opposite end of the political spectrum is getting. A person gets time on Prime time national news to talk about how they identify as 20 different genders and yet a person who dares to say keep Britain for British is labelled a right wing extremist. 
 

A world where the company I work for has started a series of unconscious social bias and racism training course. Where HR systems have had to be changed to allow people to select their preferred pronouns and we discuss in meetings how to accommodate transgender toilet facilities. A world where I’m told I have to respect the cultures of other countries and white kids are told not to braid their hair as it’s cultural appropriation, while at the same time I have to watch my towns and cities spend money on building mosques and Hindu temples. 
 

I have no issue whatsoever with race, religion or gender identity. But I do have a problem where the media continually ram these issues down my throat. Where social media platforms allow a person to talk about LGBTQ+ issues and yet bans or censors people who hold the view that mass immigration is bad for a country and many immigrants are criminals. Where police forces in Britain turned a blind eye to internet grooming gangs because the gang members were all part of the local Asian community. Turned a blind eye for fear of sparking race riots. How can any of this be fair and reasonable? 
 

So, when someone with the power and authority of the President of the United State says some of these things. The relief is overwhelming. People look beyond the person and hold dear the fact their voices are being heard. 
 

The world and in particular, the Western world needs to find a way to have a proper sensible adult debate on these topics. At the moment those expressing these views are written off as “old privileged white guys”. Well, what I’ve observed is many of the “Old white guys” don’t have time or the inclination for social media. It is the younger age groups who are increasingly worried that their world is being changed beyond what feels comfortable. This is when we get Donald Trump and even Brexit. We need to find a way to debate these topics in a safe way. If not, the anarchists and Chinese/Russian secret services will continue to exploit this gap in our society and drive the division in opinions we see, even on this forum! 

I'm in total agreement with you on all of that

 

But if you think Trump actually cares about any of anything actually than himself, you are extremely naive 

 

There are currently people  patrolling voting boxes with guns intimidating American voters and that is 100% due to Trump's election lies 

If you think that isn't a more important issue than some idiots pushing gender issues, than I don't know what to tell you 

[Soidog]

29 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

I'm in total agreement with you on all of that

But if you think Trump actually cares about any of anything actually than himself, you are extremely naive 

There are currently people  patrolling voting boxes with guns intimidating American voters and that is 100% due to Trump's election lies 

If you think that isn't a more important issue than some idiots pushing gender issues, than I don't know what to tell you 

Of course Trump only thinks about himself. He would sacrifice anyone to promote himself. 
 

What is happening in America is so far off the scale and the gun culture is beyond comprehension  for any normal country. But I still go back to the fact that Trump and many other extremists would not gain traction if there was other ways for the quiet majority to take back control of the extreme left and W*k* agenda. There isn’t!! All mainstream politicians are so scared of getting cancelled or called out as a racist, homophobe or misogynist just for defending long standing social norms and values. Until democratic countries in the West can find a way to balance opinions, then it’s more likely that even more crazy people than Trump will be elected. 
 

Finally, you would be wrong to right these people off as a few gender pushing idiots. They are far far more dangerous and skilful. 

Note: I couldn’t even use the W word on my reply. Even on this forum it’s not allowed and censored. See what I mean !!

[Marc26]

Musk already pushing nonsense 

 

Sounds like some of the nonsense spewed on here

 

But people should be able to post nonsense 

And as a private company, Twitter now and before can decide if they want it on their site

 

 

 

[Marc26]

1 hour ago, Soidog said:

Of course Trump only thinks about himself. He would sacrifice anyone to promote himself. 
 

What is happening in America is so far off the scale and the gun culture is beyond comprehension  for any normal country. But I still go back to the fact that Trump and many other extremists would not gain traction if there was other ways for the quiet majority to take back control of the extreme left and W*k* agenda. There isn’t!! All mainstream politicians are so scared of getting cancelled or called out as a racist, homophobe or misogynist just for defending long standing social norms and values. Until democratic countries in the West can find a way to balance opinions, then it’s more likely that even more crazy people than Trump will be elected. 
 

Finally, you would be wrong to right these people off as a few gender pushing idiots. They are far far more dangerous and skilful. 

Note: I couldn’t even use the W word on my reply. Even on this forum it’s not allowed and censored. See what I mean !!

Regarding the W word on here

 

It's a bit disingenuous Mr Dog to lump that in with leftist agenda when you would know it's banned on here because of constant use of the right wingers on this site 

[Soidog]

19 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

Regarding the W word on here

It's a bit disingenuous Mr Dog to lump that in with leftist agenda when you would know it's banned on here because of constant use of the right wingers on this site 

I didn’t know it was banned!  why is it banned? You hear lefty words and accusations of racism, homophobia all the time. What is wrong with balance? To ban a word just because someone feels it’s overused is censorship. Why? What next? Snowflakes? This is exactly the problem. As soon as the liberal lefties cry foul people start to censor and pander to their calls. This just generates a feeling of wanting to be heard. That’s when people like Trump gets elected. It needs to stop. If the liberal left wing agenda is so god sent then let them defend it without censorship. 

 

[Marc26]

2 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I didn’t know it was banned!  why is it banned? You hear lefty words and accusations of racism, homophobia all the time. What is wrong with balance? To ban a word just because someone feels it’s overused is censorship. Why? What next? Snowflakes? This is exactly the problem. As soon as the liberal lefties cry foul people start to censor and pander to their calls. This just generates a feeling of wanting to be heard. That’s when people like Trump gets elected. It needs to stop. If the liberal left wing agenda is so god sent then let them defend it without censorship. 

Take it up with the mods 5555

 

I personally don't parrot words like I'm a 15 year old boy 

 

So I don't use words like "W" and "snowflake" and "socialist" when it's clear they don't know what the word means 

 

But have no issues others sounding like idiots using them

[Soidog]

5 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

Take it up with the mods 5555

I personally don't parrot words like I'm a 15 year old boy 

So I don't use words like "W" and "snowflake" and "socialist" when it's clear they don't know what the word means 

But have no issues others sounding like idiots using them

What about fascist ? Racist? Homophobic? Along with many other labels the liberal left aim at anyone who disagrees with their god sent agenda? It’s ok for those idiots to throw them around though I guess? 

[Marc26]

6 minutes ago, Soidog said:

What about fascist ? Racist? Homophobic? Along with many other labels the liberal left aim at anyone who disagrees with their god sent agenda? It’s ok for those idiots to throw them around though I guess? 

Where did I say that?

 

 

[Soidog]

9 hours ago, Marc26 said:

Where did I say that?

You didn’t. But plenty of liberal lefties do and yet those words aren’t band. 

[Marc26]

10 hours ago, Soidog said:

You didn’t. But plenty of liberal lefties do and yet those words aren’t band. 

I've read a couple good articles on fascism, because quite frankly, like many who use the term, I had really no idea what exactly it is

 

No real experts on fascism will actually confirm Trump is fascist, there are so many boxes to tick for it to be so

But he certainly leans that way and absolutely would be if there were no push back

 

But yes, it is a ridiculous term used by people who have no idea what it really means..........

[Manu]

Trump, Trump, Trump... as if he had been the only one banned from Twitter. Pratically everyone around the world could not give a damn of what this guy says or does. He is all what I despise in a human being, way before he became the president of the USA. But at the end of the day, we were promised hell on earth when he got elected. It just did not happen, on the contrary. In fact, we have not been as close as a third world war since Biden has been elected. So Mr Trump, say what you have to say on Twitter now, and if people have 0 argument to oppose to what you say then they should simply shut up. But then plenty will have so the debates can start and it is healthy. Unhealthy is when only one voice has his argument heard just because "someone" has decided so for us.

Secondly, countries, especially in the western world, all have hate speech laws. So either someone says something reprehensible so the law takes care of it. Or not, then it is not morally a private company to decide who to censor or not. Really it is as simple as that. One can like or not Musk, but he is not an idiot and I believe that is exactly his point.

 "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". The principle of freedom of speech. When there is no argument to oppose to what someone else is saying then maybe it is because there is none, or at least as an individual you do not have one. But when you have social media (all media nowadays) following a "bien-pensance" censorship, taking off any comment that goes against it, banning people of expressing opinions that provide arguments against it regardless if these arguments are right or wrong, it is the opposite of freedom of speech and the beggining of the end of any freedom.

[Marc26]

People want to make Twitter more than what it is

 

Sure, it has massive influence but if it didn't exist, there would be other avenues for people to get what they want to say out  in the world 

[Manu]

5 hours ago, Marc26 said:

People want to make Twitter more than what it is

Sure, it has massive influence but if it didn't exist, there would be other avenues for people to get what they want to say out  in the world 

So "people want to make Twitter more than what it is" although it has a "massive influence" (??) as opposed if it did not exist to "other avenues", like something with the same "massive influence" but just called differently. Who would have thought of that. And of course, if this influencal tool, same same but called differently, also created for "people to get what they want to say out" but then also censored and eventually bought by Musk, then we would be also coming here with the exact same comments as today. That's what I call a debate that's going along nicely ...