News Forum - VIDEO: Porsche-driving Frenchmen put Thai man in a coma in Koh Samui

[23RD]

Still no name's of these Frenchmen released yet.

It'll be interesting to know which ethnic group this pair of lowlife's belong to?.

[Viggen840]

  On 10/18/2022 at 5:19 AM, Soidog said:

Im just amazed that so many armchair judges, who have seen and heard one version of events, can make such rapid conclusions. They may well be a pair of complete tossers who need throwing in jail for a year. That doesn’t mean that in jail they should then be subjected to beatings just because they are foreigners. Don’t tell me you condone such racist actions? 

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But your comments also appear to have biased directly against 'one version of events'. How does that equate to your ideal of equality?

[Faz]

  On 10/18/2022 at 6:44 AM, 23RD said:

Still no name's of these Frenchmen released yet.

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Police on Ko Samui led by Police Colonel Yuttana Sirisombat arrested the two French suspects named as 43-year-old Vincent Raymond Bugeya and 28-year-old Julien Gerard Rene Vincent at the scene as witnesses came forward concerning the incident with at least one having a video clip of the shocking attack on the man.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2022/10/18/french-tourists-held-in-ko-samui-cells-vincent-bugeya-julien-vincent/

[23RD]

  On 10/18/2022 at 7:00 AM, Faz said:

Police on Ko Samui led by Police Colonel Yuttana Sirisombat arrested the two French suspects named as 43-year-old Vincent Raymond Bugeya and 28-year-old Julien Gerard Rene Vincent at the scene as witnesses came forward concerning the incident with at least one having a video clip of the shocking attack on the man.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2022/10/18/french-tourists-held-in-ko-samui-cells-vincent-bugeya-julien-vincent/

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Many thanks Faz

With names like that their definitely native French not Eastern Europeans French Passports. 

[Noble_Design]

  On 10/18/2022 at 7:00 AM, Faz said:

Police on Ko Samui led by Police Colonel Yuttana Sirisombat arrested the two French suspects named as 43-year-old Vincent Raymond Bugeya and 28-year-old Julien Gerard Rene Vincent at the scene as witnesses came forward concerning the incident with at least one having a video clip of the shocking attack on the man.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2022/10/18/french-tourists-held-in-ko-samui-cells-vincent-bugeya-julien-vincent/

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The age for Vincent Raymond is incorrect:

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Police identified the suspects as Vincent Raymond Bugeya, 34, and Julien Gerard Rene Vincent, 28.

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https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/general/40021090

[Soidog]

  On 10/18/2022 at 6:54 AM, Viggen840 said:

But your comments also appear to have biased directly against 'one version of events'. How does that equate to your ideal of equality?

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That’s an absurd comment. By definition, knowing only one side of events leads to bias. I’m saying I would like to know both sides of the story before deciding any guilt or innocence. It’s how justice should work. 

[Wanderer]

Golden rule no. 1, if you have a problem with a Thai walk away, forget it. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong you will not come out of it well. 

[Faz]

Bickering posts and replies removed.

Moderator.

[Soidog]

  On 10/18/2022 at 8:00 AM, Wanderer said:

Golden rule no. 1, if you have a problem with a Thai walk away, forget it. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong you will not come out of it well. 

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Certainly accurate sound advice. That said, it’s a sad indictment on Thai society. I’m fairly sure such facts won’t find their way in to an Amazing Thailand holiday brochure.

[Pinga]

  On 10/18/2022 at 12:46 AM, Imntothat said:

what video are you watching becos ... no where on this video does it show the Thai attacking the French guys.

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This video is edited to cut out everything that led to the final blow - probably on purpose to make it seem like a vicious attack. There is another video taken from a car where you see Frenchie down while a bystander tries to pull the Thai away, then Frenchie gets up and they face each other boxing-style and the Thai trying to land some blows but getting knocked down from a punch. After that Frenchie tried to walk away but Thai got up and came kicking him, at which point he fought back and that's what you see in this video.

That's the problem with videos that don't tell the whole story - they can heavily influence public opinion by editing out the "inconvenient" parts.

[Faz]

  On 10/18/2022 at 9:30 AM, Pinga said:

There is another video taken from a car where you see Frenchie down while a bystander tries to pull the Thai away, then Frenchie gets up and they face each other boxing-style and the Thai trying to land some blows but getting knocked down from a punch.

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So where is this other video, is it a secret?

[Pinga]

  On 10/18/2022 at 9:30 AM, Pinga said:

There is another video

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https://www.facebook.com/100064875510284/posts/pfbid0MA8MYd4n1e41e4dXozpCgctSZ5kLgwnWpokyQLsKoK5UqvP2ztWh1Jj9pXzHcv6Ll/

The other video in the comments tells a very different story.

[Soidog]

  On 10/18/2022 at 9:30 AM, Pinga said:

That's the problem with videos that don't tell the whole story - they can heavily influence public opinion by editing out the "inconvenient" parts.

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Great example of waiting until ALL evidence is gathered. The real question is will it be gathered. I don’t know who’s to blame; possibly all of them involved. However, right now, it’s the French nationals that are being detained and a Thai National is in hospital. We may never know the full truth. If these guys were driving a new Porsche then they are likely to have the money to make it go away. 

[Prosaap]

Nothing is what it seem to look like here 

[Faz]

  On 10/18/2022 at 9:34 AM, Pinga said:

https://www.facebook.com/100064875510284/posts/pfbid0MA8MYd4n1e41e4dXozpCgctSZ5kLgwnWpokyQLsKoK5UqvP2ztWh1Jj9pXzHcv6Ll/

The other video in the comments tells a very different story.

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This video just appear to show them fighting, not who started it and if the victim was the aggressor or just defending himself. I'm sure the police have more footage to determine facts.

[Noble_Design]

  On 10/18/2022 at 2:05 PM, Faz said:

This video just appear to show them fighting, not who started it and if the victim was the aggressor or just defending himself. I'm sure the police have more footage to determine facts.

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If the 2 Frenchmen were merely defending themselves why would they be denied bail?

[Cabra]

What's incredibly sad (pitiful) is just how quickly people resort to violence to justify any slight to their fragile egos. 

[Soidog]

  On 10/18/2022 at 3:15 PM, Noble_Design said:

If the 2 Frenchmen were merely defending themselves why would they be denied bail?

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Oh please. Come on. You know Thailand better than that? 

[Faz]

  On 10/18/2022 at 3:15 PM, Noble_Design said:

If the 2 Frenchmen were merely defending themselves why would they be denied bail?

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Eh! The Thai man was the victim.

[katana]

Here, some earlier video filmed thorugh a car window which starts off with the shirted Frenchman on his backside on the road. So, unless the Frenchman likes sitting on the road, the Thai guy had presumably put him there beforehand. The Frenchman gets up, receives a kick to the shins then knocks the Thai man down with a punch. The Frenchman half-turns away and receives a further kick and it then finishes with the tragic results seen in the later video.

So it seems there was some altercation between the 2 beforehand in their vehicles and it didn't just come out of nowhere. Also, not so one-sided as the initial video suggested.

Edited October 18, 2022 by katana

[Marc26]

  On 10/18/2022 at 3:15 PM, Noble_Design said:

If the 2 Frenchmen were merely defending themselves why would they be denied bail?

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If there is a bar fight in North America and someone falls and hit their head

The person who made them fall is usually charged 

Even if it was a mutual fight

Seen people go to jail for manslaughter for being unlucky that the person they hit fell and hit their head 

[Fanta]

  On 10/18/2022 at 3:33 PM, Faz said:

Eh! The Thai man was the victim.

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The victim or the loser? Let’s go to the tapes! 

[hughcow]

The video certainly doesnt look in anyway like the wifes version of events.

[Faz]

  On 10/18/2022 at 10:31 PM, Fanta said:

The victim or the loser? Let’s go to the tapes! 

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Victim - a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action

[HiuMak]

  On 10/18/2022 at 8:00 AM, Wanderer said:

Golden rule no. 1, if you have a problem with a Thai walk away, forget it. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong you will not come out of it well. 

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And you never know if they carry guns around.