News Forum - “I strongly urge the Health Minister to reveal the actual number of new Covid cases” – Thai doctor

[Thaiger]

A Thai physician is calling out Thailand’s Ministry of Public Health, claiming they are not publishing accurate data on the actual number of Covid infections. He claims that there is a cover up of the real numbers currently being disclosed to the public. The Deputy Minister of Health Dr. Sathit Pitutecha claims that the actual number of current infections is more like 20,000 – 30,000 per day, not the approx. 2,000 or so cases that are being reported daily over the past 2 weeks – a discrepancy of some 90%. Dr. Satit Pitutecha specialises in emerging infectious diseases. He says […]

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[palooka]

Been massaging the numbers for a long time already as we all know.

Pnut will probably want him jailed if it derails his endemic plans.

 

[brian60221]

The number of "cases" is exactly this: whatever result is desired, depending on how the PCR test is calibrated. It seems likely to me that this is why the PCR test is used -- it can be adjusted to produce any result. Note that news outlets never reveal how many cycles the PCR tests were configured to use. They likely don't know. Each and every day, the media bombards the public with "case" numbers the significance of which cannot be determined without knowing how the tests were conducted.

[Desmondo69]

Who would have known!  .apart from  everybody..lol

[Giltee]

Does anyone really care any more as we’ve been bombarded with this for 3 years and I’m sick to death of it. I just want to get on with my life. 

[DoUKnowWhoIAm]

Anutin claimed he'd got six covid shots, so it's probably 12 then.

[Urdef]

Yawn. Covid schmovid. Who cares? Move on with this nonsense.

[HolyCowCm]

This is probably why masks are being pushed because they know the infections are getting huge into full swing. Also probably one reason they kept the emergency decree, well besides lovign the control and power it brings ot thie veins. Those bozos actually not doing cover ups to questions with round about evading pinnochio answering style is never going to happen. 

[Scarface]

STILL harping on about fuc*ing covid. GIVE IT A REST!!

[Rebel]

I know a massage shop who found 4 out 16 staff the other day got Covid. The boss just asked them to go home for 10 days without report anything. Why bother it happens all over this place. 

[dmacarelli]

The actual number of cases could be lower than what is being reported. 

There is far too much panic and fear connected to the discussion. It is not rational. 

Edited July 10, 2022 by dmacarelli

[JJJ]

On the information in the article, I assumed there were 4 types of cases: 1. Professional pcr positive, 2. Profession atk positive, 3. self reported atk, 4. Unreported atk. 

There is some question whether 2 + 3 gets reported everyday or just 2.  Basically when they give the atk number daily no one knows what the information means.  Does anyone actually know?

On the reports, either give everything on a daily basis or just give some of it on a weekly basis. But cherry picking data to give on a daily basis is getting pointless  

Now the daily report on pcr tests provides little information and just reflects the number of pcr tests given. (At this point I believe everyone who takes a pcr is already atk positive or heavily symptomatic). Every week Tuesday is the lowest presumably because they are weekend reports when fewer tests are given. 

Also just because the government gives the data doesn’t mean it needs to be published every single day like BKP sensationalizing small changes in hospitalizations, tests, etc.  

[Maverick]

There’s a narrative here - let’s keep up the fear levels in society bad news sells, and there is plenty more masks to sell, and they will be pushing more boosters soon - big pharma has us by the nuts….

[Sutchi]

This specialist is highly educated, has provided facts to back up his conclusion and specifically qualified to give this statement. If you disagree with him tell us why we should believe you instead.  

Edited July 10, 2022 by Sutchi

[Mamachigawa]

Do they also have to announce every cold and case of seasonal flue?

[Cabra]

Cases are mostly irrelevant at this point if few are on a ventilator/seriously ill or dying

[Maverick]

Simple fact is that majority of “infections” will always go unreported because most  people simply self medicate at home, this applies to flu and colds as well - only people tested at clinics or hospitals will have their status reported - short of mass testing every member of the population what these doctors are asking for is unrealistic for educated people strange they are asking for something that is physically impossible outside of PRC - or is there another agenda perhaps……….and they are still taking peoples temperature at govt offices, despite this measure being dropped everwhere else as it’s totally ineffective.

 

[palooka]

4 hours ago, JJJ said:

There is some question whether 2 + 3 gets reported everyday or just 2.  Basically when they give the atk number daily no one knows what the information means.  Does anyone actually know?

Think there was a post on Thaiger recently that stated the Govt were not interested in counting 2 and 3 at all (don't honestly think they did anyway). So 2 non existant, 3 non existant and 4  who knows.

Currently locally the only counting is positive PCR tests and of note is that Saturday there are no PCR tests done at all. Sunday pm they have a testing centre open (many workers have the day off) which would possibly align with your observation on the Tuesday numbers as it takes 3 days to get it to whoever. Suppose Wednesday numbers should be high in that case, but they massage them at will.

How to judge a true number?

I look at a comparable country and their figures and deduct 50% allowing for climate , mask wearing , not a cuddly touchy touchy populace, (ie like Italians French etc) hygiene(?) and still get figures well above Thailands.

[Janneman]

Would you report your own positive self test to any government? Or would you rather just stay home for a few days until the symptoms are gone and another test turns out negative?

Mind you, the staying-home option is the official policy in most western countries. You only have to do something when the symptoms are getting serious. But even then, you contact a doctor. You still do not have to report it. 

[JJJ]

2 hours ago, Janneman said:

Would you report your own positive self test to any government? Or would you rather just stay home for a few days until the symptoms are gone and another test turns out negative?

Mind you, the staying-home option is the official policy in most western countries. You only have to do something when the symptoms are getting serious. But even then, you contact a doctor. You still do not have to report it. 

I think most Thai people do report it because they’re supposed to get free medications that don’t ever work. 

[Ramanathan.P]

Covid is a norm. No point in scaring people. Only the Pharmaceutical companies are going to be benefited by scaring people with numbers. Let people carryout their normal life with some level of personal precautions. The infection will take its natural course and will be manged by nature in it own way

[ThaiFoodGuy]

Here in Ottawa, Canada, one of our biggest media outlets, the Ottawa Citizen, published last week that Ottawa is experiencing a "surge" in COVID deaths due to large outdoor gatherings. They cited a report from Ottawa Public Heatlh, which used wastewater tests of the city's sewage to detect COVID, as well as the reported deaths from the Ottawa Hospital.

However, a quick look at the actual report showed the "surge" in deaths was 1 death the previous week, to 5 deaths the current week. That was the "surge" they were referring to.

I know people, smart people, who still engaged me in conversation about how scary it is that Ottawa is seeing a "surge" in COVID deaths, and that we should reconsider dropping mask mandates, and that we should all get booster shots. Smart people.

Get me the f*** out of here.