News Forum - Russia’s FM Sergei Lavrov warns US not to supply Ukraine with arms

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, Fanta said:

BBC and only the best MSM for you. I strive to respect your dietary habits. You’re welcome
I wrote “a minimum 100 km wide corridor from Crimea to Russia.”  look at the scale - kilometers on top, miles on the bottom and check the land corridor width again. You’re welcome. 
The navy and air force status is undeniable - nearly everything else is opinion. The navy is blockading the ports, providing air defense and firing missiles into Ukraine. The land bridge from Romania is destroyed. Supply routes are being cut off daily. Exports via the sea has ground to a halt. The bottom of Ukraine is done. No Russian naval presence = a whole different story’.

Ah yes your habit of quoting western media if it suits you but labeling it total propaganda when it doesn't. You really need to revisit that position. It makes you look disingenuous. 

The status of the Ukrainian navy is asinine. Its a land war not a battle for the Black sea. And every time one of those mighty Russian ships come near the coast it seems to meet with some mysterious and unfortunate accident. Tis a curious thing for sure. Oh no wait. Russia lied about that.

So where is the Russian air superiority if the Ukrainian airforce is destroyed? Again its a curious thing. 

Evidence the land bridge from Rumania is destroyed? Evidence supplies are not arriving from Poland? Evidence supplies are not arriving from Slovakia? 

Pure disinformation. Again. I understand the war is not going well for you.  

[Fester]

56 minutes ago, Fanta said:

You have continually & tiresomely claimed that there shall be no peace until the “Russian barbarians are driven from Ukraine” and that Ukraine is a NATO trap for Russia.
You are backpedaling on your previous statement that Ukraine has to pay the “final price” after I gave you an estimated total cost - loss of independence. 
Your claims that Russia cannot win against a NATO backed Ukraine military ignores basic maths, history and progress to date.Russia lost in Afghanistan. The US - Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan plus numerous backings of rebels in civil conflicts that went tits up. This is more of the same. Ukraine is Bambi in the woods against the Russian bear. Geographically it is a hop, skip and jump from Russia to Ukraine. How many Russian supply lines and equipment depots have been attacked? I doubt Ukraine even has much of a functioning railway system anymore. Without NATO boots on the ground this war will drag on and Ukraine will eventually lose. I hope there is peace soon. That will entail Ukraine losing some territory. imo, that is still better than the best case scenario of chasing Russia back across the border and then returning to a pile of rubble.

How many days now? 73! Most of the Donbass was effectively occupied by Russia before the invasion, while most of the initial actual gains near Kiev and Kharkiv are already given back. The maps try to show the Russian occupied areas as new but they're not really. Ivan hasn't got very far at all in 10 weeks, has he? 

[Fanta]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So where is the Russian air superiority if the Ukrainian airforce is destroyed? Again its a curious thing. 

Evidence the land bridge from Rumania is destroyed? Evidence supplies are not arriving from Poland? Evidence supplies are not arriving from Slovakia? 

Does Google not work for you? 
https://www.nsnews.com/world-news/live-updates-russian-forces-hit-key-bridge-in-ukraine-5300543

Where is the Ukrainian Air Force is the question you don’t have the answer to. Your denial of the importance of the Black Sea fleet may stem from the lack of naval options in Steam. Here you go. 

https://warsawinstitute.org/russian-invasion-ukraine-sea-blockade-now-fact/ 

 

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Does Google not work for you? 
https://www.nsnews.com/world-news/live-updates-russian-forces-hit-key-bridge-in-ukraine-5300543

Where is the Ukrainian Air Force is the question you don’t have the answer to. Your denial of the importance of the Black Sea fleet may stem from the lack of naval options in Steam. Here you go. 

https://warsawinstitute.org/russian-invasion-ukraine-sea-blockade-now-fact/ 

 

Again quoting the lying MSM. So some bridges have been hit. That does not mean supplies are cut off.

Yes there is a sea blockade. But given no-one is trying to use the Black sea to resupply the Ukraine its a bit pointless isn't it. 

But it does give you something to point to when the land war is going so badly. 

After 3 months of war Czar Putins thugs cant take what western forces would do within a week.

[Fester]

22 minutes ago, Fanta said:

BBC and only the best MSM for you. I strive to respect your dietary habits. You’re welcome
I wrote “a minimum 100 km wide corridor from Crimea to Russia.”  look at the scale - kilometers on top, miles on the bottom and check the land corridor width again. You’re welcome. 
The navy and air force status is undeniable - nearly everything else is opinion. The navy is blockading the ports, providing air defense and firing missiles into Ukraine. The land bridge from Romania is destroyed. Supply routes are being cut off daily. Exports via the sea has ground to a halt. The bottom of Ukraine is done. No Russian naval presence = a whole different story’.

Undeniable? Because you say so? What was left of the Ukraine navy after Putin confiscated it in Crimea was no match for the Russians - a few small ships and patrol boats - but you keep on about it like a old nanny past her sell-by date.

Nobody knows the strength of the Ukraine Air Force now and there will be good reasons for that secrecy but I'm sure those guys are ready to fly and account well themselves, at the appropriate time.

[Fester]

33 minutes ago, cake said:

Russia is winning, don't fall for yet more lies. I can totally see a false flag, something along those lines to escalate.

This guy's blog goes into these areas allot. I don't agree with a lot of his writings, but he is over the target with the one a couple days ago.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/ukraines-forces-are-told-to-hold-the-line-where-russian-artillery-is-pulverizing-them.html

Everyone was expecting Russia to go fast because?, ... they are playing the long game.

Hot damn, we're back with those pesky Moonies agin.

[Fester]

31 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Oh my… go look at pre and post invasion maps showing Russian controlled areas. You too Rookiescott if you think Donbass and the land bridge were under Russian control before the invasion. I already said Odessa was vital but I guess that’s where you learnt it. You are also welcome. 

Show us these maps of your land bridge then.

[cake]

Just now, Fester said:

Hot damn, we're back with those pesky Moonies agin.

Found this gem in the comment section, another well done article.

https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/05/05/the-script-is-flipped/

[Fanta]

2 minutes ago, Fester said:

I'm sure those guys are ready to fly and account well themselves, at the appropriate time.

I hope so also. The rest of your post is embarrassing. Edit your post and I promise not to tell anyone. Scouts honor 

[Fanta]

1 minute ago, Fester said:

Show us these maps of your land bridge then.

Hush now. If you won’t click a BBC link showing it to to you then send a private message to someone and ask them to explain it to you. 

[Fester]

29 minutes ago, Fanta said:

The recent news is good news but 4 or 5 out of 40 in the Black Sea fleet is a sustainable loss. I provided a Wikipedia link to the Russian Black Sea fleet earlier. Do try to keep up.

If the Admiral Makarov is damaged or worse, then Russia only has four frigates left in the Black Sea as major surface combat ships.  

[Rookiescot]

You know what NATO needs to do right now? Start having a major military exercise right on the border with Belarus.

What will Czar Putin do? He is duty bound to come to the rescue of Belarus. But his thugs are already committing war crimes in the Ukraine.

What if NATO suddenly decides to de nazify Belarus? Of course they are only exercises. NATO has no intention of invading.

[Fanta]

3 minutes ago, Fester said:

the Admiral Makarov is damaged or worse, then Russia only has four frigates left in the Black Sea as major surface combat ships.  

4 missile frigates and 30+ support ships. Ask Odessa if that is nothing to worry about. Hopefully the Harpoons will clean those up sooner rather than later.
ps: you clicked a link! I am so proud of you  Next lesson is using Google to search for things other than porn.

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, Fanta said:

The US has been supplying and training the Ukraine military for 8 years. The wonder weapons will help but will they turn the tide or just slow it? 
Progress? no navy, next to no air force and on the back foot. A minimum 100 km wide corridor from Crimea to Russia. Have a look at Ukraine’s progress, if backwards is progress?

Training yes, supplying no. The US had given Ukraine very few weapons leading up to the war. The US didn’t give the Javelin until last year and the stinger until after Russia invaded. 
 

wonder weapons - no. But then that’s why they are shipping so many heavy weapons now. 
 

Actually Ukraine is starting to make progress in both the north and west: 

 

Ukrainian forces have launched a counter-offensive of their own. According to the defense ministry, Russian forces were forced to demolish three road bridges near Tsyrkuny and Ruski Tyshky outside Kharkiv, to slow the Ukrainian advance.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ukraine-war-russia-destroys-bridges-massive-bombardments/

The ironic thing is Ukraine seems to be having much more success against Russia’s navy after having lost all its ships. 

[EdwardV]

16 minutes ago, Fanta said:

4 missile frigates and 30+ support ships. Ask Odessa if that is nothing to worry about. Hopefully the Harpoons will clean those up sooner rather than later.

To be fair the Russian navy losses have been mounting. Not only did they lose the flagship, but apparently one of their three next best ships too. In addition they lost at least one Alligator class assault ship, it burned to the waterline. They probably lost at least one of the two tied up next to it. The captain of one of those two others died of burns a few days later. In addition to the two patrol craft taken out by a drone last week, Ukraine knows they hit at least one if not two others with anti tank missiles a few weeks ago. Yes there are still plenty of other ships, but Russia is rapidly losing is Black Sea capital ships and without them they aren’t going to be blockading anything. 

[Fester]

46 minutes ago, Fanta said:

I hope so also. The rest of your post is embarrassing. Edit your post and I promise not to tell anyone. Scouts honor 

Think I'll leave it. 

Honour? You? 555.

[Fester]

44 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Hush now. If you won’t click a BBC link showing it to to you then send a private message to someone and ask them to explain it to you. 

No. Has to be you.

[Fester]

29 minutes ago, Fanta said:

4 missile frigates and 30+ support ships. Ask Odessa if that is nothing to worry about. Hopefully the Harpoons will clean those up sooner rather than later.
ps: you clicked a link! I am so proud of you  Next lesson is using Google to search for things other than porn.

The 30 runabouts aren't worth wasting missiles on and will not affect this war. Even the frigates are rather limited for a land war.

[oldschooler]

3 hours ago, Fanta said:

Depends who you believe. I don’t believe either sides claims. Propaganda is a dirty word to the naive but the adults can agree that it is an essential part of war and used by both sides in any conflict. For example: Ukraine has lost a navy and their ports are blockaded while Russia has lost 4 or 5 out of 40. That is undeniable. The territory lost by Ukraine vs the progress made by Russia. That is undeniable. The artillery, tanks,, troop, material etc losses by both sides are the most open to manipulation for propaganda purposes. That is undeniable. Claiming military effectiveness or lack therefore based on propganda is akin to solving a Rubick’s cube against the clock while blindfolded. You won’t know if you got it right until the end. 

“ Belief” irrelevant to observed very low capability & poor success of Russia.
Western Intelligence & Defense Ministries SHOCKED at the near total ineptitude of the Russian Military (barring missile strikes) after ten weeks. Clearly incompetent and unable to improve, best troops & commanders lost, poor logistics,poorly functioning equipment, rock bottom troop morale, failure to take more than two major cities and failure to take & hold further lands. Navy Gone from Black Sea. Air Force unable to deploy. 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, cake said:

Russia is winning, don't fall for yet more lies. I can totally see a false flag, something along those lines to escalate.

This guy's blog goes into these areas allot. I don't agree with a lot of his writings, but he is over the target with the one a couple days ago.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/ukraines-forces-are-told-to-hold-the-line-where-russian-artillery-is-pulverizing-them.html

Everyone was expecting Russia to go fast because?, ... they are playing the long game.

We’ll see where Ukraine is once the US long range artillery deploys and starts pulverizing Russian Forces from 100 km range……

[oldschooler]

5 hours ago, Fanta said:

Another snap poll. Wow, you Internet pollsters are quick! You should get some work with the TAT, they have a tenuous grasp of numbers. You’d fit right in. 

Who would be remotely interested in participating in a poll expressing “ concern” for the fate of such animal war criminal drones ? Who would care? The Silent Families but that’s it.  Not Putin for sure. Putin surely stopping all family notices of invasion deaths which would I suppose simply state “ dead in combat”. Truth of these Russian deaths will be suppressed by Russia indefinitely. Only Ukrainian version might emerge 5-10 years after ? 

[EdwardV]

Seems the Ukrainian’s got another one. They at least damaged a Serna class landing craft that looks like it was bringing supplies to Snake Island. The linked article has the video. 
 

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-troops-share-video-russian-093527718.html

The last week Ukraine has been degrading Russian assets on the island. While the Serna is too small to replace the destroyed anti aircraft systems, it could at least resupply the island. 

[EdwardV]

In a further update of Ukrainian success on the ground: 

 

Ukrainian forces have secured further gains north and east of the city of Kharkiv in the last 24 hours, according to the U.S.-based Institute for the Study of War. The respected think tank says the counteroffensive could soon see Ukrainian forces push Russian forces out of the artillery range of Kharkiv. “This Ukrainian operation is developing into a successful, broader counteroffensive—as opposed to the more localized counterattacks that Ukrainian forces have conducted throughout the war to secure key terrain and disrupt Russian offensive operations,” the Institute for the Study of War said in an update.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/07/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html#107057640-post

 

[JamesR]

9 hours ago, Fanta said:

Another snap poll. Wow, you Internet pollsters are quick! You should get some work with the TAT, they have a tenuous grasp of numbers. You’d fit right in. 

I agree, I can imagine most of the Russian soldiers do not want to be there but have no choice as many will have families back home under the control of Putin.

[JamesR]

7 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Thanks for the link (from the British Biased Corporation no less ) it demonstrates exactly what I just said.

It even provides maps with a useful scale which clearly demonstrates the corridor is less than 50 miles wide. So not the "minimum 100 miles wide that you wrongly claim.

Why do you keep trying to deflect onto the navy? The battle is for the Ukraine not the Black sea.

Since about the year 2000 I have always tried to filter out some of the BBC's news reports and tailor back about 80% of the truth regarding how dangerous they are reporting a situation to be. 

I was watching the TV back in 2000,  there was a live report stating, "The people of Crays Hill are living in fear".

I was surprised and wondered what they were talking about as I was actually living in that village.

Apparently we were living in fear of a hundred or so so called 'travellers' from Ireland who had bought farm land and illegally built on it, this caused a lot of media interest for the next fifteen years and the village still has the stigma attached even though the 'travellers' were kicked out of their area years ago.

The fact I and others had never come across any 'travellers', but as we are the village closest to the travellers site it was a means of identifying where they were, they never ever came into the village though and thus did not live in Crays Hill.

The worst event regarding my street was thirty two years ago a lawn mower was stolen, I never ever bothered to lock my car in my twenty severn years there. 

So when I sold my house there last year it was sold for £250,000 less than equivalent houses half a mile down the road, so thanks to the BBC's lies I lost out. (But still made a very hefty profit compared to the price I bought at).

Since then I do not believe all of what they say and I apply that to their reports on this 'war'.