News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[Shark]

15 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

I'm afraid we have only your word for that, and just lately I wouldn't believe a Russian on here if he told me it was raining, I would have to go look outside.

The problem already starts with you assuming that I'm Russian because I don't send the Murican news.
I'm neither Russian nor Ukrainian. I originate from a European country which this is doesn't matter. 

16 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

The amount of bilge and lack of empathy coming from some posters on here who are supporting the Russian terrorists is not only unbelievable but it damn right disgusting.

I'm not supporting Russia but there's no solution that's how much I try to bring in. Especially since the NATO for what it's worth is exactly going to-do what it have been doing sending civilians into battlefield... bravo Mr. Ukrainian PM - Especially in messages where you make it sound like people choose to fight this battle for 'you' they don't they just don't have any choice he forces them to fight while they rather be with their families whom are fleeing rightfully so.

[Shark]

2 minutes ago, Stardust said:

You still not understand that all of this neigbouring countries or former occupied countries understand Russian language and are very well informed whats going on in Russia. To understand that you have to read the daily news in Europe in all countries where they interview Russians or read the social media. They talk about 70% of the Russians back the war and invasion of the Ukraine. 

Dude read back in this thread I even stated that they do this. So don't say I don't understand them.
My extended family lives there and my co-workers family lives on the other side. So please just take a covid vaccine or go buzz off.

[Stardust]

33 minutes ago, Shark said:

you might want to check your history facts about Afghanistan and Iraq straight. Just stating... so pro Murica.

Took too much Stardust @Stardust?

On which drugs are you to compare it with Iraq or Afghanistan? There was nothing like Aleppo or Grosny! That are facts! Maybe you took too much of something to compare it. By the way Russia made 10 years war against Afghanistan.

[Marble-eye]

3 minutes ago, Shark said:

The problem already starts with you assuming that I'm Russian because I don't send the Murican news.
I'm neither Russian nor Ukrainian. I originate from a European country which this is doesn't matter. 

I'm not supporting Russia but there's no solution that's how much I try to bring in. Especially since the NATO for what it's worth is exactly going to-do what it have been doing sending civilians into battlefield... bravo Mr. Ukrainian PM - Especially in messages where you make it sound like people choose to fight this battle for 'you' they don't they just don't have any choice he forces them to fight while they rather be with their families whom are fleeing rightfully so.

So let's cut to the chase, is Russia the guilty party here, did Russia invade Ukraine, are the Russians killing innocent civilians and bombing Nuclear Plants, maternity hospitals and tenement housing. Are the Russians looting and acting like a gang of thugs instead of a well disciplined army.

Some posters on here would appear to be advocating that genocide may be the final solution, your thoughts on that, is there any part of you that believes that the Russians are infact the aggressors here. If you answer 'no' you may be beyond help.

[Faraday]

This thread's getting a bit heated, please calm down.

Moderator

 

[Fanta]

Back on topic - The Russians are shelling Kyiv, the intended target. Will Kyiv fall?  Or will Zelenskyy get the truce he is asking for? Will Putin even want a truce? Will Putin want Zelenskyy to go into exile or does he want Zelenskyy’s head on a platter? Anyone want to buy a cheap super yacht? 

[Shark]

19 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

Russia the guilty party here, did Russia invade Ukraine, are the Russians killing innocent civilians and bombing Nuclear Plants, maternity hospitals and tenement housing. Are the Russians looting and acting like a gang of thugs instead of a well disciplined army.

Hey Marble-eye,

Sure the guilty part in forms of invasion is Putin. I don't agree about the innocent civilians/maternity hospitals/tenement housing, bombing of nuclear plants (if this has been done; nuclear material doesn't like to be bombed - just think about it). Just think about.

It's not a gang of thugs, It's just a devil controlled army.

[Marble-eye]

8 minutes ago, Shark said:

Hey Marble-eye,

Sure the guilty part in forms of invasion is Putin. I don't agree about the innocent civilians/maternity hospitals/tenement housing, bombing of nuclear plants (if this has been done; nuclear material doesn't like to be bombed - just think about it). Just think about.

It's not a gang of thugs, It's just a devil controlled army.

On the basis of that would it be fair to say that if Putins Carry on Cossacks hadn't invaded Ukraine in the first place there wouldn't be a single accusation from any of the parties. Putin is the instigator of anything that is being bandied about.

But there are two options to believe, Putins Propaganda Press or the media of the west, and I know it is a tricky one Shark but who would you chose if your life depended on it.

BTW. I have very little faith in our media but it is without question more reliable than the Putin Post.

[Shark]

11 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

Putins Propaganda Press or the media of the west, and I know it is a tricky one Shark but who would you chose if your life depended on it.

None of the above as luckily I'm living in the east and I don't believe both.
I know Russians for sure weren't informed about anything that happened into Ukraine until 48 hours (2 days) later upon state television as during this time my wife was there and I asked her this much. "Did you know you guys invaded Ukraine?" her reply "Let me check the state news ... " followed by "according to our state news nothing has happened". 2 days later she stated that there where military drills on-going according to Putin throughout the border meeting with Ukraine. 

So no; I won't put my cents on Putin but neither would I ever trust CNN or BBC for what that's worth.

[Marble-eye]

2 minutes ago, Shark said:

None of the above as luckily I'm living in the east and I don't believe both.
I know Russians for sure weren't informed about anything that happened into Ukraine until 48 hours (2 days) later upon state television as during this time my wife was there and I asked her this much. "Did you know you guys invaded Ukraine?" her reply "Let me check the state news ... " followed by "according to our state news nothing has happened". 2 days later she stated that there where military drills on-going according to Putin throughout the border meeting with Ukraine. 

So no; I won't put my cents on Putin but neither would I ever trust CNN or BBC for what that's worth.

The big difference between the Russian media and the west is that Russia lies or/and witholds information, now that is a fact and has been proven. The west however tends to tell you you what they want us to know, mainly in the interest of the media group, but we are free to ignore it and find other channels that might be a little bit more reliable.

But whilst Putin without a question of doubt runs all the media and if they don't conform to it, is a long prison sentence or even worse. Whilst nobody could ever accuse the media's in the UK taking their orders from our government, that is why it is called a 'free press' but they have carte blanche as to what they chose to dish out.

As far as I am aware social media sites in the west have not been closed down like they have in Russia. Surely Shark you cannot be 50/50 between both media options. You know Russia is lying while here in the west they tend to be a tad more reliable.

[oldschooler]

16 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

thank you, you are a real democrat, unlike some commentators here.

the current conflict is no different from similar conflicts of the past - it is just an episode of the ongoing war for influence, markets and the minds of the townsfolk. Unfortunately.

Complete nonsense. Russia already LOST all those claimed items and tyrannies care nothing for those  anyway ! your opinions all discredited here already by 99 to 1 ratio

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, Shark said:

there was more then one try again.

Your subject post was all incoherent babble  …..YOU should “ start again”.

Try starting with the hundreds of murdered kids & 3 million refugees.

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, Stardust said:

Nobody else than Russia/Putin bombed civilians, cities and towns in the history after the WW2 thats a fact (Aleppo, Grosny, etc etc). You are spreading misinformation and no facts and just left out the chemical weapons and massmurdering civillians like Putin did in Syria. Misinformation campagnes like we see from Russia!

“Disinformation” actually; all designed & manufactured Lies from Putins Rotten Propaganda machine.

[Fanta]

42 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Your subject post was all incoherent babble  …..YOU should “ start again”.

Try starting with the hundreds of murdered kids & 3 million refugees.

This is the problem with this thread. People are not denying the casualties of this war. Some people are doubting the causes of this war and questioning the propaganda from both sides. Anyone not seen as 110% supportive of Ukraine is denounced as a Putin lover and labelled as a closet serial killer supporting genocide. Fanatics talk like that. “With us or against us!” Cause and effect are different things. Stop conflating them. Or you’ll end up like those wackos in certain antivaxxer threads - circle jerking in silence and none the wiser.

[oldschooler]

3 minutes ago, Fanta said:

This is the problem with this thread. People are not denying the casualties of this war. Some people are doubting the causes of this war and questioning the propaganda from both sides. Anyone not seen as 110% supportive of Ukraine is denounced as a Putin lover and labelled as a closet serial killer supporting genocide. Fanatics talk like that. “With us or against us!” Cause and effect are different things. Stop conflating them. Or you’ll end up like those wackos in certain antivaxxer threads - circle jerking in silence and none the wiser.

WW1 Peace Treaty “caused” WW2. It did not cause the murder of six million Jews or deaths of 25 million Russians/ East Europeans. Hitler Did. 

Ukraine is rather a “ with us or against us” issue. Black & White Clarity to any Rational Properly Informed Adult. Putin Caused Ukraine Invasion. Nothing  & Nobody Else. NATO clearly a defensive body for free nations which cannot rationally “threaten” any nation and which was clearly never going to admit free but too corrupt Ukraine. Pretext Only by Putin to Wreck Ukraine.

[Shark]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Try starting with the hundreds of murdered kids & 3 million refugees.

By any means tell me where the bodies of the murdered kids are? As this has been debunked as a staged act by Ukraine to get the NATO to fight with them or at-least supply them.

3 Million refugees... ok perhaps of which 300.000 went where exactly into Russia. That's how bad Ukraine finds Russia. 2M seek asylum in Poland according to their statistics. Good for them it's a fight to the bottom to get more tax payers this is the only reason why the western part of Europe wants them.

My source of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Ukrainian_refugee_crisis and not even talking about the 1M they took in earlier. 

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, Shark said:

By any means tell me where the bodies of the murdered kids are? As this has been debunked as a staged act by Ukraine to get the NATO to fight with them or at-least supply them.

3 Million refugees... ok perhaps of which 300.000 went where exactly into Russia. That's how bad Ukraine finds Russia. 2M seek asylum in Poland according to their statistics. Good for them it's a fight to the bottom to get more tax payers this is the only reason why the western part of Europe wants them.

My source of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Ukrainian_refugee_crisis and not even talking about the 1M they took in earlier. 

How has the death of over 100 kids been debunked? 

You are treading seriously thin ice here my friend so I suggest you answer carefully. 

[Shark]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You are treading seriously thin ice here my friend so I suggest you answer carefully. 

Because otherwise what exactly? You can't deport me. You have zero powers over me.
Again Putin's act is and will remain unjustified to me. NATO's pussy shit behavior which provoked this is even more bad in my opinion and especially since afterwards one "Wokey" (check the Urban Dictionary) can now say ZOMG Russians are bad. They are just as bad as Americans (which I know you are) and yes I do compare this with Afghanistan and Iraq as neither of those where for the greater good and left in a worse state then found which will most likely happen with Ukraine too and there the numbers of refugees are no where in the millions compared to what's happening with Ukraine and the woman in Afghanistan thank you for your service in 2022.

The school building allegedly bombed there have been stat images of it being empty for days before and suddenly a big 'film crew' is there. Anyways choose your own poison but don't suggest me todo anything then to live my life the way I want.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, Shark said:

Because otherwise what exactly? You can't deport me. You have zero powers over me.
Again Putin's act is and will remain unjustified to me. NATO's pussy shit behavior which provoked this is even more bad in my opinion and especially since afterwards one "Wokey" (check the Urban Dictionary) can now say ZOMG Russians are bad. They are just as bad as Americans (which I know you are) and yes I do compare this with Afghanistan and Iraq as neither of those where for the greater good and left in a worse state then found which will most likely happen with Ukraine too and there the numbers of refugees are no where in the millions compared to what's happening with Ukraine and the woman in Afghanistan thank you for your service in 2022.

The school building allegedly bombed there have been stat images of it being empty for days before and suddenly a big 'film crew' is there. Anyways choose your own poison but don't suggest me todo anything then to live my life the way I want.

So you actually have NO evidence that the over 100 kids who have been killed so far has been debunked as you claimed. 

So you lied.

 

[Stardust]

4 hours ago, Shark said:

Dude read back in this thread I even stated that they do this. So don't say I don't understand them.
My extended family lives there and my co-workers family lives on the other side. So please just take a covid vaccine or go buzz off.

Nobody who live in Ukraine would ever say something you claim!

[Stardust]

3 hours ago, Shark said:

Hey Marble-eye,

Sure the guilty part in forms of invasion is Putin. I don't agree about the innocent civilians/maternity hospitals/tenement housing, bombing of nuclear plants (if this has been done; nuclear material doesn't like to be bombed - just think about it). Just think about.

It's not a gang of thugs, It's just a devil controlled army.

Looting, raping, shooting on children and woman all documentated. Sure they are a gang of thugs. Thats a fact and no doubt about it.

[Convert54]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So you actually have NO evidence that the over 100 kids who have been killed so far has been debunked as you claimed. 

So you lied.

Do you possess conclusive  proof of how many children have  been killed as a direct result of this armed conflict? Or do you so readily subscribe to the concept  propaganda and deceit is only practiced  by the perceived enemy of popularized conviction over this singular territorial dispute? If it were two times more would that also magnify and enhance the msm appeal? If it were actually  half the number would that be half as relevant? 

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[Noble_Design]

The discussion is getting a little bit heated, guys let's chill out.

 

Not a moderator.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, Convert54 said:

Do you possess conclusive  proof of how many children have  been killed as a direct result of this armed conflict? Or do you so readily subscribe to the concept  propaganda and deceit is only practiced  by the perceived enemy of popularized conviction over this singular territorial dispute? If it were two times more would that also magnify and enhance the msm appeal? If it were actually  half the number would that be half as relevant? 

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So you actually believe no kids have been killed by the indiscriminate shelling and bombing or residential areas?

You dont believe the videos showing kids dying?

Russian forces can hammer civilians in cities and yet miraculously miss kids?

A six year old girl. Her life ended. By Putin. The same guy you turn up on here day after day claiming he is right and the west is wrong.

No kids are being killed eh?

 

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[Faz]

1 hour ago, Noble_Design said:

The discussion is getting a little bit heated, guys let's chill out.

Not a moderator.

Thankfully I am.

OK gents, previous warnings have been issued on the topic by moderators to stay on topic and keep the debate civil. Unfortunately emotions are running high so the topic will be locked for a while to allow some of the children to grow up.

Two posts have been removed, one edited and further action will be taken.

When members fail to heed the moderators advice and persist with their unacceptable behaviour, then we are left with no choice other than to close the topic. It's in your hands gentlemen when the topic reopens.