News Forum - Amidst boycott of Russia, Putin threatens Ukrainian statehood

[Faz]

 

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[butterfly]

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[Alavan]

3 hours ago, Fester said:

Oh no...another one.

And this one is calling himself  a “Human being”. 
Can’t say I see many humanist thoughts.

[Alavan]

7 hours ago, Humanbeing said:

Mr Putin is all right what he is doing for self-defense.

Must be the old proverb “attack is the best defense”.

Just not clear now what Putin is defending against.

Maybe they can name a city “Putingrad”

[Fester]

58 minutes ago, butterfly said:

only in your head, the EU27 are not going to deliver on their promises. They simply can't, even with the best of intentions.

I see you cropped my message. No matter. The delivery man is working round the clock and he does not work for the EU.  

[TWS60]

Putin's knows his basis for this military action is built on a lie at worst, and OTT exaggeration of a sliver of truth at best.  Same page from the same play book GW Bush used, and more recently, Trump and his gaggle of amateur-hour revolutionaries responsible for the failed coup d'é·tat on Jan 6th.  

In stark contrast to Trump and his band of goof balls, Putin's got the stones to go all in.  Putin dropped the Nuke Card early on.  Believe the internet gamer term for that is he "pwned" them.   In the meantime, more droning speeches in the UN as they chew their collective fingernails to the nub as Vlad smirks knowingly. 

[butterfly]

38 minutes ago, Fester said:

I see you cropped my message. No matter. The delivery man is working round the clock and he does not work for the EU.  

even military experts rooting for Ukraine are saying that the few weapons that might made it to the border are not going to help in any way against the massive Russian invasion

lost and hopeless cause, Putin demands are not unreasonable, so people are dying for nothing

Ukraine neutrality like Denmark could also pave the way for Ukraine democracy and independence from Russia

win-win for everybody, but that would be too easy, and NATO is only interested in selling more toys, not neutrality

[Fester]

10 minutes ago, TWS60 said:

Putin's knows his basis for this military action is built on a lie at worst, and OTT exaggeration of a sliver of truth at best.  Same page from the same play book GW Bush used, and more recently, Trump and his gaggle of amateur-hour revolutionaries responsible for the failed coup d'é·tat on Jan 6th.  

In stark contrast to Trump and his band of goof balls, Putin's got the stones to go all in.  Putin dropped the Nuke Card early on.  Believe the internet gamer term for that is he "pwned" them.   In the meantime, more droning speeches in the UN as they chew their collective fingernails to the nub as Vlad smirks knowingly. 

And you talk of lies? 555

[Fester]

1 minute ago, butterfly said:

even military experts rooting for Ukraine are saying that the few weapons that might made it to the border are not going to help in any way against the massive Russian invasion

lost and hopeless cause, Putin demands are not unreasonable, so people are dying for nothing

Ukraine neutrality like Denmark could also pave the way for Ukraine democracy and independence from Russia

win-win for everybody, but that would be too easy, and NATO is only interested in selling more toys, not neutrality

Why don't you back that up and tell us who these experts are? 

Oh. I know!

[Fester]

1 hour ago, Alavan said:

Must be the old proverb “attack is the best defense”.

Just not clear now what Putin is defending against.

Maybe they can name a city “Putingrad”

Or Putin ground, perhaps?

[butterfly]

1 minute ago, Fester said:

Why don't you back that up and tell us who these experts are? 

Oh. I know!

it's on TV, sorry. TV has no links 

[TWS60]

1 minute ago, butterfly said:

even military experts rooting for Ukraine are saying that the few weapons that might made it to the border are not going to help in any way against the massive Russian invasion

lost and hopeless cause, Putin demands are not unreasonable, so people are dying for nothing

Ukraine neutrality like Denmark could also pave the way for Ukraine democracy and independence from Russia

win-win for everybody, but that would be too easy, and NATO is only interested in selling more toys, not neutrality

In this case, neutrality is defined as puppet government for Putin. Anything short of that is a provocative threat to him, if only in his mind.  It isn't and he knows it, but plays it like it is, to justify his actions and ulterior motives.  

Georgia in '08 was the canary in the coal mine.  Putin lost his sock puppet in Ukraine, and we've seen the result since.   Crimea.  Fomenting nationalistic trouble in Eastern provinces.  And now this.

[Fluke]

10 minutes ago, butterfly said:

 

Ukraine neutrality like Denmark could also pave the way for Ukraine democracy and independence from Russia

 

Ukraine had democracy and independence and neutrality  BEFORE Russia invaded .

Ukraine will just become a puppet state of Russia in the future

[butterfly]

1 minute ago, TWS60 said:

In this case, neutrality is defined as puppet government for Putin. Anything short of that is a provocative threat to him, if only in his mind.  It isn't and he knows it, but plays it like it is, to justify his actions and ulterior motives.  

Georgia in '08 was the canary in the coal mine.  Putin lost his sock puppet in Ukraine, and we've seen the result since.   Crimea.  Fomenting nationalistic trouble in Eastern provinces.  And now this.

right, and EU leaders have been sleeping at the wheels as usual. The signs were there, and they should have been pro-active to "appease" Putin by putting in place a neutrality strategy

nope, too busy doing nothing and ignoring Russia,

oh well, we learn from our mistakes I assume

[butterfly]

1 minute ago, Fluke said:

Ukraine had democracy and independence and neutrality  BEFORE Russia invaded .

Ukraine will just become a puppet state of Russia in the future

Ukraine was hardly a democracy, Zelensky was going the same route as any other auto-authoritarian leaders

Ukraine had a choice before the invasion, they were over-confident and thought NATO would come to the rescue

except EU27 leaders and NATO officials are powerless cowards when facing a real nuclear threat,

this is why NATO should be disbanded, completely pointless, and Ukraine is now showing this

if NATO want to show any teeth, they will need to engage directly Russia and start WW3

is that what we really want? after COVID? seriously?

[EdwardV]

5 minutes ago, butterfly said:

The signs were there, and they should have been pro-active to "appease" Putin by putting in place a neutrality strategy

Neville Chamberlain thinks you are on to something. 

[Fluke]

3 minutes ago, butterfly said:

right, and EU leaders have been sleeping at the wheels as usual. The signs were there, and they should have been pro-active to "appease" Putin by putting in place a neutrality strategy

nope, too busy doing nothing and ignoring Russia,

oh well, we learn from our mistakes I assume

Ukraine was an independent Country and its their choice whether they want to align with NATO Countries or not .

   Its really should be none of Putins business what Ukraine wanted to do . 

Ukraine seemed to want to align themselves with the Western World , and Putin should just accept that .

   He needs to ask himself why non of the former Soviet states want to align with Russia and they all want to move to the West/E.U/NATO

[butterfly]

7 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Neville Chamberlain thinks you are on to something. 

Putin is no Hitler, different agenda

Chamberlain was trying to avoid a war, nothing deplorable about this

it's not like Europe won the war in 1939, we lost. It took the US and Russia to be involved together to win against the Germans. And that only started in 1942, and for 5 years Europe was Hitler's b*tch.

And then Stalin took his share. Yeah, a real win. How soon we forgot our own history.

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[Fluke]

13 minutes ago, butterfly said:

Ukraine was hardly a democracy, Zelensky was going the same route as any other auto-authoritarian leaders

Ukraine had a choice before the invasion, they were over-confident and thought NATO would come to the rescue

except EU27 leaders and NATO officials are powerless cowards when facing a real nuclear threat,

this is why NATO should be disbanded, completely pointless, and Ukraine is now showing this

if NATO want to show any teeth, they will need to engage directly Russia and start WW3

is that what we really want? after COVID? seriously?

The best strategy would be to sit this one out and wait .

Ukrainians will never accept the Russians 

Russia will become the next North Korea , ostracized by the World and with just limited support from China .

   This could be the end of Putin and his hostile Russia .

Although it may take 10-15-20 years for Russia to crumble 

[EdwardV]

18 minutes ago, butterfly said:

Putin is no Hitler, different agenda

Really? You sure about that because in comparing the start of WW2 and this war they kinda look the same. Their attitude toward civilian casualties sure looks the same. 

[Alavan]

51 minutes ago, butterfly said:

even military experts rooting for Ukraine are saying that the few weapons that might made it to the border are not going to help in any way against the massive Russian invasion

lost and hopeless cause, Putin demands are not unreasonable, so people are dying for nothing

Ukraine neutrality like Denmark could also pave the way for Ukraine democracy and independence from Russia

win-win for everybody, but that would be too easy, and NATO is only interested in selling more toys, not neutrality

1. Occupying some cities is not occupying a country for a long time, where a resistance will grow and attack. Putin dosn’t have the forces to occupy Ukraine a long time.

2 what does Purin demands thais not unreasonable? I thought he just wanted to “help” the Donbas region, but he is near Kiev, far from Donbas and the genocides he imagined there.

3. In what way is Danmark a neutral country, it is one of the original NATO members. Do you mean Ukraine must become a member to? Shows how much you understand about the conflict.

[joseph]

Between 1931 and 1934 four million Ukrainians were starved to death by Stalin. The Holodomor, a term derived from the Ukrainian words for hunger (holod) and extermination (mor) was the result of Communists taking the land from independent farmers to create communes. They are being told it will be different this time. Now, I ask with all honesty, what would you do?

[oldschooler]

On 3/7/2022 at 12:12 AM, butterfly said:

indeed, Zalensky got completely played by the EU27 and NATO, and he is now left hanging taking full responsibilities of the massacre of the Ukrainian people by Russian forces under his watch, while he is safely hiding in some hole somewhere,

a true patriot would surrender and stop the bloodshed,

True collaborator & traitor would. Patriot might, with will of people.

 But since the evil Nazi Putin can’t be trusted as honest & truthful and as he’s losing big time, that won’t happen.

[Bifrost]

A massmurder and tyran killing innocent people in Ukraine - Syria and Chechen allways the russians Putin is no Hitler ? yes he is , ask the people in Eastern europe why they HATE russians  ! - they say the  rusians was far worse in ww2  than the gemrans. 

"different agenda "  ? what is the agenda ? to attack a democratic friendly neighbour a poor country who only live in peace - like all others

Russia has ALLWAYS been like that-  primitive barbaric.  ruge evil.  - - Now they wil be PARIAH  inb the world for decades to come 

we must block them -  from any international relations of any kind ! only accpetedf by  North korea and China -  ( the freinds of Thailand)

[Bifrost]

22 hours ago, Fluke said:

Ukraine had democracy and independence and neutrality  BEFORE Russia invaded .

Ukraine will just become a puppet state of Russia in the future

You dontk now what you are talking about !

Denmark is NOT neutral but a NATO member-  

Ukraine is a democratic country   

what do you call russia ? democratic ? blood thirsty killer behave like russians allways has been - : invading neighbour countrys and murder  - like insane..  russia can bleed now for decades- -  their worst nightmare are going to begin !and yo uare supporting them ? are you rusian or just dum ?