News Forum - Amidst boycott of Russia, Putin threatens Ukrainian statehood

[Thaiger]

Amidst a boycott of Russia by several international corporations, Russian president Vladimir Putin threatened the existence of Ukrainian statehood yesterday. “The current (Ukrainian) authorities must understand that if they continue to do what they are doing, they are putting in question the future of Ukrainian statehood”. The most recent high profile boycott of Russia involves Mastercard and Visa suspending operations in the country. Perhaps the most high profile boycott is FIFA banning Russia from qualifying for the World Cup. But several other corporations have also halted operations in the country. This includes luxury brands LVMH, Hermes, and Chanel. Putin also […]

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[Chatogaster]

Ukraine is right to put the future of Ukrainian statehood in question since giving in would unquestionably make the statehood of Ukraine be that of a puppet state with Putin/Russia being the puppet master.

Autonomy - from individuals up to states - is worth fighting over.
 

[Dedinbed]

Yep .. no flutes of champagne aboard the superyacht in Monaco's harbour watching the F1 race for the foreseeable future .. 

42 minutes ago, Thaiger said:

This includes luxury brands LVMH, Hermes, and Chanel.

Some of the collateral damage includes top end German motor manufacturers have shut up shop and withdrawn .. services including tech updates needed by most modern vehicles will not be available .. Daimler trucks who had a major partnership with Russian truck maker Kamaz have done likewise .. 

[butterfly]

Ukraine is lost, deal with it, the west had the power to stop the war before it happened, but the US and EU27 were too proud to negotiate with Putin and lost face,

their blood is on their hands as much as on Putin's hands, hence why they are all squealing like slaughtered pigs 

[Cabra]

Ukrainian statehood in jeopardy? Since when did Ukraine want to be a Russian state? Seems like Ukraine is fighting against being annexed by Russia

[Fluke]

5 minutes ago, Cabra said:

Ukrainian statehood in jeopardy? Since when did Ukraine want to be a Russian state? Seems like Ukraine is fighting against being annexed by Russia

I dont think that you understood what "statehood " means .

Statehood means independence .

Ukraines statehood/independence is in jeopardy in it could become a Russian province/state if Russia annexes Ukraine 

[Rookiescot]

If Putin wins then the Ukraines statehood is already gone.

They have only one option. Kill Russian soldiers.

[Rebel]

That man is a lunatic. Makes Hitler look like a kindergarten child.

[permou54]

Putin is a very dangerous man who is attacking an independent and democratic country and keeping all Russians unaware of his actions. The Thai government should sanction just as the rest of the world does. It is not Putin against the West, but Putin against the whole world

Edited March 6, 2022 by Smithydog
Posted originally in foreign Language

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, Rebel said:

That man is a lunatic. Makes Hitler look like a kindergarten child.

Behave

Putin is nuts but nowhere near the scale of Hitler or even Stalin for that matter.

Some OTT drama queen's on here

[EdwardV]

2 hours ago, butterfly said:

but the US and EU27 were too proud to negotiate with Putin and lost face,

Oh please, what a crock. Negotiate what? Putin wanted things the west wasn’t in the position to give. This is besides the fact any negotiation would be with Ukraine, not the US or EU. Something Putin didn’t want to do nor was he really interested in doing. The invasion was always going to happen regardless. That’s because this is about way more than just Ukraine, they were just the first piece of the puzzle. 
 

As for taking away Ukraine’s statehood, that’s just another threat to shape the battlefield. Same with his constant threat of using nuclear weapons. He said before the invasion sanctions would be an act of war. Nothing happen after implementation. Said taking SWIFT would be an act of war. Nothing happen after implementation. Said sending weapons to Ukraine would be an act of war. Nothing happen after implementation. 

[Fester]

2 hours ago, butterfly said:

Ukraine is lost, deal with it, the west had the power to stop the war before it happened, but the US and EU27 were too proud to negotiate with Putin and lost face,

their blood is on their hands as much as on Putin's hands, hence why they are all squealing like slaughtered pigs 

Putin's choice. Any blood let is down to him.

 

[Convert54]

2 hours ago, Cabra said:

Ukrainian statehood in jeopardy? Since when did Ukraine want to be a Russian state? Seems like Ukraine is fighting against being annexed by Russia

I doubt there are  too many who would  deny that . But sadly Zelenskyy has been conned, shafted, etc by a combination of political naivety  and the gross manipulation that has been allowed.

In terms of identity the Ukraine  has repeatedly been subject to Russian influence  moreso than other core nationalities. For a long time after the dissolution of the USSR  Russia gifted  substantial free support including  gas and oil.  But due to systemic corruption (of no benefit to Russia)  and similtaneous complaints  to the "West" it culminated in the 2014  coup . As complicated as that was  the terms of it were ignored by a succession of  corrupt Ukrainian regimes that culminated eventually in the election of a popular Comedian/Actor with (Naturally) the approval of Western interests and purportedly "Fair , honest and therefore  magically :democratic..

It also repositioned  geopolitical perceptions of the Ukraine as Western oriented quite apart as a new  victim of Corporate rape of natural assets and financial enslavement. But kept poor !

 

[Stardust]

5 minutes ago, Convert54 said:

I doubt there are  too many who would  deny that . But sadly Zelenskyy has been conned, shafted, etc by a combination of political naivety  and the gross manipulation that has been allowed.

In terms of identity the Ukraine  has repeatedly been subject to Russian influence  moreso than other core nationalities. For a long time after the dissolution of the USSR  Russia gifted  substantial free support including  gas and oil.  But due to systemic corruption (of no benefit to Russia)  and similtaneous complaints  to the "West" it culminated in the 2014  coup . As complicated as that was  the terms of it were ignored by a succession of  corrupt Ukrainian regimes that culminated eventually in the election of a popular Comedian/Actor with (Naturally) the approval of Western interests and purportedly "Fair , honest and therefore  magically :democratic..

It also repositioned  geopolitical perceptions of the Ukraine as Western oriented quite apart as a new  victim of Corporate rape of natural assets and financial enslavement. But kept poor !

Keep on gping with your Putin and qanan propaganda. And the revolution to get rid of the puppet government from Russia and electing their own government and a souvereign country like it was granted in Paris contract 94 from Russia, France and USA. 

Putin broke this contract 20q4 with the annexion of the crimea.

What you are doing is a misinformation campagne, fake information exactly in the way with the same fake facts from Qanan and Putin. There is no doubt about it! But interesting for Europe to analyze where are the networks from Putins misinformation campaigns.

[Convert54]

3 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Keep on gping with your Putin and qanan propaganda. And the revolution to get rid of the puppet government from Russia and electing their own government and a souvereign country like it was granted in Paris contract 94 from Russia, France and USA. 

Putin broke this contract 20q4 with the annexion of the crimea.

What you are doing is a misinformation campagne, fake information exactly in the way with the same fake facts from Qanan and Putin. There is no doubt about it! But interesting for Europe to analyze where are the networks from Putins misinformation campaigns.

Unsigned, Minsk agreement gave Putin room for his move.

Get over your indoctrination and understand the historical moves that have been made.

Why do you think Zelenskyy is now so disgusted by his public declaration of International  abandonment? 

Is it real or just  part of a charade? Does he  genuinely think that the combined NATO  members are willing to  commit to the indisputable start of a World War that would by most analysis result in the  decimation of life on this planet ?

NATO Member Nations that  keep slipping  armaments under the fence to prolong resistance and therefore  loss of lives are not really doing anyone any favours. So why do so?

Now kindly provide me with  evidence that  I have provided misinformation, fake  facts, or anything that  falsely associates me with any "Qanan", Putin or any such "campaigns.

"But interesting for Europe to analyze where are the networks from Putins misinformation campaigns."

Is the above some open declaration of covert assessment of the input of contributors to  this  forum?

Am I in the presence of a covert  member of the Bundesnachrichtendienst ?

Just gives me a sore throat pronouncing that !

 

 

[Stardust]

1 minute ago, Convert54 said:

Unsigned, Minsk agreement gave Putin room for his move.

Get over your indoctrination and understand the historical moves that have been made.

Why do you think Zelenskyy is now so disgusted by his public declaration of International  abandonment? 

Is it real or just  part of a charade? Does he  genuinely think that the combined NATO  members are willing to  commit to the indisputable start of a World War that would by most analysis result in the  decimation of life on this planet ?

NATO Member Nations that  keep slipping  armaments under the fence to prolong resistance and therefore  loss of lives are not really doing anyone any favours. So why do so?

Now kindly provide me with  evidence that  I have provided misinformation, fake  facts, or anything that  falsely associates me with any "Qanan", Putin or any such "campaigns.

"But interesting for Europe to analyze where are the networks from Putins misinformation campaigns."

Is the above some open declaration of covert assessment of the input of contributors to  this  forum?

Am I in the presence of a covert  member of the Bundesnachrichtendienst ?

Just gives me a sore throat pronouncing that !

Fake info again it is signed and was also the agreement for the nuclear weapons to bring back to Russia. It has nothing to do with Minsk! Interesting for europe now to analyze the networks, sure it is also anounced in the news. Maybe you not aware on which level everything is activated in Europe and which regulations. And they are backed up for that international. 

[Stardust]

5 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Fake info again it is signed and was also the agreement for the nuclear weapons to bring back to Russia. It has nothing to do with Minsk! Interesting for europe now to analyze the networks, sure it is also anounced in the news. Maybe you not aware on which level everything is activated in Europe and which regulations. And they are backed up for that international. 

Sure excluding his Allies like North Korea ect

[EdwardV]

50 minutes ago, Convert54 said:

NATO Member Nations that  keep slipping  armaments under the fence to prolong resistance and therefore  loss of lives are not really doing anyone any favours. So why do so?

That one is easy, to bleed out the Russian army. Every Russian soldier who dies in Ukraine is one less to attack the Baltic states. Russia is in the last stages of a complete demographic collapse. By 2025 there will be half as many draft age men in Russia as in 2015. By 2030 there will be 100M less people living in Russia (that was before the war and the resulting exodus of young people to the EU and beyond). Russia is the fastest aging population in Europe and arguably the world (although its probably China but that’s a different topic). Fact is Russia doesn’t have the demographics to replace this army with anything approaching its current size. Better to flood Ukraine with as many weapons now, than fight Russia over the Polish gap. Why do you think the US is trying to fugue out a way to get Polish Mig-29s into Ukraine? Did you think that idea was over already?  

[oldschooler]

5 hours ago, butterfly said:

Ukraine is lost, deal with it, the west had the power to stop the war before it happened, but the US and EU27 were too proud to negotiate with Putin and lost face,

their blood is on their hands as much as on Putin's hands, hence why they are all squealing like slaughtered pigs 

The four main TT Putin Trolls captured right here ! Smile for the Camera

The only squealing is coming from the neutered Putin Crony Oligarchs & Russian Army bleeding to death…and bombed civilians

Ukraine not yet Lost and the cost to Putin & Russia will be massive in such event. Grossly Incompetent Russian Army losing average 1000 dead / 20 tanks/ 5 jets daily & reduced to butchering Civilians.Do the math after 50 days ; 50,000 Russian Dead . Russia & Putin can’t stand that loss rate for even another ten days……

And still stuck on the road to Kyiv

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, Convert54 said:

Unsigned, Minsk agreement gave Putin room for his move.

Get over your indoctrination and understand the historical moves that have been made.

Why do you think Zelenskyy is now so disgusted by his public declaration of International  abandonment? 

Is it real or just  part of a charade? Does he  genuinely think that the combined NATO  members are willing to  commit to the indisputable start of a World War that would by most analysis result in the  decimation of life on this planet ?

NATO Member Nations that  keep slipping  armaments under the fence to prolong resistance and therefore  loss of lives are not really doing anyone any favours. So why do so?

Now kindly provide me with  evidence that  I have provided misinformation, fake  facts, or anything that  falsely associates me with any "Qanan", Putin or any such "campaigns.

"But interesting for Europe to analyze where are the networks from Putins misinformation campaigns."

Is the above some open declaration of covert assessment of the input of contributors to  this  forum?

Am I in the presence of a covert  member of the Bundesnachrichtendienst ?

Just gives me a sore throat pronouncing that !

Only significunt nazi here is Putin.

only the stupidest cowardly Putin troll would negatively say nato defensive weapons are prolonging resistance and loss of lives. YEAH that’s the whole idea ….loss of aggressor lives by voluntary resistance of Free Ukrainians in no mood for surrender just yet, if ever……..

Zelenskys silly incitement to WW3 re. NATO No Fly Zone demand is regrettable though. NATO clearly ain’t defending Ukraine with boots on ground or jets in air.

[butterfly]

3 hours ago, EdwardV said:

He said before the invasion sanctions would be an act of war. Nothing happen after implementation. Said taking SWIFT would be an act of war. Nothing happen after implementation. Said sending weapons to Ukraine would be an act of war. Nothing happen after implementation. 

hey this just started, you might say otherwise once several European capitals start receiving Russian bombs in their city center, we never know.

Let's not start WW3 to please a former comedian who is taking his President job too seriously. He lost already, and everyone knows it, it's just someone forgot to tell him.

[butterfly]

3 hours ago, Convert54 said:

But sadly Zelenskyy has been conned, shafted, etc by a combination of political naivety  and the gross manipulation that has been allowed.

indeed, Zalensky got completely played by the EU27 and NATO, and he is now left hanging taking full responsibilities of the massacre of the Ukrainian people by Russian forces under his watch, while he is safely hiding in some hole somewhere,

a true patriot would surrender and stop the bloodshed,

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, EdwardV said:

That one is easy, to bleed out the Russian army. Every Russian soldier who dies in Ukraine is one less to attack the Baltic states. Russia is in the last stages of a complete demographic collapse. By 2025 there will be half as many draft age men in Russia as in 2015. By 2030 there will be 100M less people living in Russia (that was before the war and the resulting exodus of young people to the EU and beyond). Russia is the fastest aging population in Europe and arguably the world (although its probably China but that’s a different topic). Fact is Russia doesn’t have the demographics to replace this army with anything approaching its current size. Better to flood Ukraine with as many weapons now, than fight Russia over the Polish gap. Why do you think the US is trying to fugue out a way to get Polish Mig-29s into Ukraine? Did you think that idea was over already?  

Superb post. NATO will simply not be required in 15 years as Russia will have by then, under existing isolationist policies, inc. zero immigration,  have been reduced, by their own hand,  ( oh the irony ), to a complete shell of a people & nation. But dangerously unstable with no allies with nuclear weapons. 

[butterfly]

47 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

And still stuck on the road to Kyiv

not for long, and city residents won't be laughing like you do once they are surrounded

this is tragic and could have been avoided with a little bit of flexibility from the US and its European allies

but they were too proud, and wanted to make a statement to Putin

well it got answered 

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by butterfly

[oldschooler]

35 minutes ago, butterfly said:

hey this just started, you might say otherwise once several European capitals start receiving Russian bombs in their city center, we never know.

Let's not start WW3 to please a former comedian who is taking his President job too seriously. He lost already, and everyone knows it, it's just someone forgot to tell him.

So casual with your clown talk of tyrant Putin nuking free defensive people and absurd pathetic propaganda that Zelensky has “lost already”. 

What we DO know is this. After the first Russian nuclear launch prep. detected by US satellite, ALL Fixed Russian Nuclear Sites are targeted and GONE same day. As will Putin be……removed then by his Generals. If even a single NATO city is nuked. All Russia Cities Vaporized by NATO next day. RIP Unfree Russia 850 - 2022.

Russia knows this very well. Like they know losing 1000 Russian Army dead every day & bleeding tens of billions usd daily with war costs & sanctions is not “winning” “, just sheer unsustainable lunacy.