News Forum - Amidst boycott of Russia, Putin threatens Ukrainian statehood

[EdwardV]

39 minutes ago, butterfly said:

hey this just started, you might say otherwise once several European capitals start receiving Russian bombs in their city center, we never know.

Let's not start WW3

As to starting WW3, only if Putin wishes to die himself, not many leaders have that as an objective. Putin’s threat needs to be seriously considered but it doesn’t have to be seriously worried about. It’s a hollow threat used to shape the battlefield. I’m not suggesting staring WW3 either, but it’s clear NATO isn’t going to let the threat keep them from arming Ukraine or the coming insurgency. 

[oldschooler]

35 minutes ago, butterfly said:

indeed, Zalensky got completely played by the EU27 and NATO, and he is now left hanging taking full responsibilities of the massacre of the Ukrainian people by Russian forces under his watch, while he is safely hiding in some hole somewhere,

a true patriot would surrender and stop the bloodshed,

Right…. Perhaps he should, like any national leader naturally does under vicious assault, stand on the nearest tower block. betraying his valiant dying people with a white flag, to be blown to bits  by Russian artillery, with the other sheltering civilians there …….

he won’t surrender unless & until his people require it.. … that might be 50,000 dead Russian soldiers away though …..or 100$ billion Russian treasury loss ….or 100 Russian tanks / jets perhaps…..or all threePutin has to be certifiable

[1l1]

27 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

After the first Russian nuclear launch prep. detected by US satellite, ALL Fixed Russian Nuclear Sites are targeted and GONE same day.

Nice fantasy. Fire (or even prep.) only 1 nuclear of 1,500 deployed and wait for retaliatory strike. Ok.

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by 1l1

[oldschooler]

16 minutes ago, 1l1 said:

Nice fantasy. Fire (or even prep.) only 1 nuclear of 1,500 deployed and wait for retaliatory strike. Ok.

Just won’t happen. Putin loves his ego, his 250 $us billion assets, stolen from the Russian people, and his Tyrant Power, far too much to trigger his & their demise. 

[Sparktrader]

55 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

ALL Fixed Russian Nuclear Sites are targeted and GONE same day

Fixed is the key, Russia and several other nuclear powers, can target and flatten most of the cities in the world from submarines which are next to impossible to locate and target...

Edited March 6, 2022 by Sparktrader

[butterfly]

NATO is not going to arm Ukraine, that would be suicidal, and they would lose their European allies over this, they are strongly opposed to this.

Those planes in Poland won't make it past the border with the Russian anti-craft artilleries,

this is all a pipe dream for powerless sock puppets, it makes nice headlines on the WSJ, but headlines don't win wars

NATO and European nations are powerless, and they look like fools. Even the Ukrainian President is losing patience and starting to realize he is left in the cold with only his c*ck in hand.

Edited March 6, 2022 by butterfly

[JMJM]

9 hours ago, Dedinbed said:

Yep .. no flutes of champagne aboard the superyacht in Monaco's harbour watching the F1 race for the foreseeable future .. 

Some of the collateral damage includes top end German motor manufacturers have shut up shop and withdrawn .. services including tech updates needed by most modern vehicles will not be available .. Daimler trucks who had a major partnership with Russian truck maker Kamaz have done likewise .. 

Yes, this virtue signaling is just annoying.  Does anyone think not being able to buy Chanel perfume is going to hurt Russia in the slightest?  

[EdwardV]

43 minutes ago, butterfly said:

NATO is not going to arm Ukraine, that would be suicidal, and they would lose their European allies over this, they are strongly opposed to this.

Those planes in Poland won't make it past the border with the Russian anti-craft artilleries,

Who said anything about a NATO donation? You do realize the western counties have been donating thousand of anti tank and anti aircraft missiles right? They only thing keeping planes from being donated is the countries need replacements. That’s what is currently being worked out. Oh and those Russian anti aircraft batteries are on the wrong side of Ukraine to do any good. 

[butterfly]

38 minutes ago, JMJM said:

Does anyone think not being able to buy Chanel perfume is going to hurt Russia in the slightest?  

[butterfly]

2 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

You do realize the western counties have been donating thousand of anti tank and anti aircraft missiles right?

they have made announcements, don't see how they can deliver with the current military operations

European leaders are full of hot air and theatrical declarations, but they can't deliver anything

We are witnessing a circus, this is the real tragedy, real people are dying but negotiating a solution with Putin would be losing political face, can't let that happen, so let's sacrifice the population for the good of NATO and EU27 political leaders

hypocrites, that's what they are. And let's not forget how we started our own wars over the last 20 years. We are not innocent here.

[Dedinbed]

43 minutes ago, JMJM said:

Yes, this virtue signaling is just annoying.  Does anyone think not being able to buy Chanel perfume is going to hurt Russia in the slightest?  

Probably not as they can always go back to rosey water .. along with driving Lada's and Zil's when the spares and updates for the Merc's and VW's are no longer available ..

and what is virtue signalling .. 

[EdwardV]

9 minutes ago, butterfly said:

they have made announcements, don't see how they can deliver with the current military operations

They can deliver for two reasons. One Ukraine is a very large country, the Russians are mostly in the East and the countries where the arms are coming in are on the west. Second Russia, surprisingly, has failed to achieve air superiority. They have failed to destroy the Ukrainian Air Force and air defense systems. Degraded yes, destroyed not even close. Basically Russia doesn’t own the sky over western Ukraine. 
 

13 minutes ago, butterfly said:

so let's sacrifice the population for the good of NATO and EU27 political leaders

Sacrifice would imply the Ukrainians have no choice in the matter. When in fact it is they who have decided to fight. Bless their hearts. This should have not come as a surprise as Ukraine historically has little love for Russians and have fought against their rule before. 

[Alavan]

2 hours ago, butterfly said:

they have made announcements, don't see how they can deliver with the current military operations

European leaders are full of hot air and theatrical declarations, but they can't deliver anything

We are witnessing a circus, this is the real tragedy, real people are dying but negotiating a solution with Putin would be losing political face, can't let that happen, so let's sacrifice the population for the good of NATO and EU27 political leaders

hypocrites, that's what they are. And let's not forget how we started our own wars over the last 20 years. We are not innocent here.

Who started a war while negotiating?

You can’t negotiate with a paranoic dictator

[Humanbeing]

Mr Putin is all right what he is doing for self-defense. Ukraine is suffering just because of hypocrisy of the EU and US government. The Ukrainian president is fool that he is listening and have trust in the EU and US who are not his friends at all. The worldwide socioeconomic crisis are only because of the EU, UN and USA. The media is playing the shit character based on lie and fraud.

[Sawasdeechao]

To humanbeing...you're entitled to your opinion, however uninformed it might be. While I can fully understand Russia's objections to Ukraine joining NATO, it hardly called for an invasion. If you think Russia is really acting in self-defense I'd suggest you stop taking whatever legal or illegal substances you're on, and go back to school to learn the definition of self-defense. Apparently you missed that before you graduated kindergarten. 

[Fester]

11 hours ago, butterfly said:

hey this just started, you might say otherwise once several European capitals start receiving Russian bombs in their city center, we never know.

Let's not start WW3 to please a former comedian who is taking his President job too seriously. He lost already, and everyone knows it, it's just someone forgot to tell him.

You didn't did you?

[Fester]

4 hours ago, Humanbeing said:

Mr Putin is all right what he is doing for self-defense. Ukraine is suffering just because of hypocrisy of the EU and US government. The Ukrainian president is fool that he is listening and have trust in the EU and US who are not his friends at all. The worldwide socioeconomic crisis are only because of the EU, UN and USA. The media is playing the shit character based on lie and fraud.

Oh no...another one.

[Fester]

8 hours ago, butterfly said:

they have made announcements, don't see how they can deliver with the current military operations

European leaders are full of hot air and theatrical declarations, but they can't deliver anything

We are witnessing a circus, this is the real tragedy, real people are dying but negotiating a solution with Putin would be losing political face, can't let that happen, so let's sacrifice the population for the good of NATO and EU27 political leaders

hypocrites, that's what they are. And let's not forget how we started our own wars over the last 20 years. We are not innocent here.

They are delivering. Don't expect anyone to tell you how they do it.

[oldschooler]

13 hours ago, butterfly said:

not for long, and city residents won't be laughing like you do once they are surrounded

this is tragic and could have been avoided with a little bit of flexibility from the US and its European allies

but they were too proud, and wanted to make a statement to Putin

well it got answered 

Laughing at dumb slave Russian Army / Air getting cut to pieces stuck in place with no fuel food ammo & now increasing civilian shelling murder in mad “retaliation”.

No more “talks” with fool tyrant Putin. 
Just military action from Ukraine now…supported by NATO sanctions, supplies & Intel……

[oldschooler]

5 hours ago, Humanbeing said:

Mr Putin is all right what he is doing for self-defense. Ukraine is suffering just because of hypocrisy of the EU and US government. The Ukrainian president is fool that he is listening and have trust in the EU and US who are not his friends at all. The worldwide socioeconomic crisis are only because of the EU, UN and USA. The media is playing the shit character based on lie and fraud.

Putin troll army mobilizing the reserves

[oldschooler]

10 hours ago, butterfly said:

they have made announcements, don't see how they can deliver with the current military operations

European leaders are full of hot air and theatrical declarations, but they can't deliver anything

We are witnessing a circus, this is the real tragedy, real people are dying but negotiating a solution with Putin would be losing political face, can't let that happen, so let's sacrifice the population for the good of NATO and EU27 political leaders

hypocrites, that's what they are. And let's not forget how we started our own wars over the last 20 years. We are not innocent here.

Not even the stupidest brain- dead Putin troll could possibly really believe any of this lying propagandist drivel.

so many actual truths you pretend you “can’t see” while clapping alone with fellow trolls at your Putin circus ringmaster & failing Russian military clown murder show.

Russia must STOP their unjustified invasion and murder & butchery of innocent unarmed civilians by cowardly shelling of homes & now agreed refugee channels !

[oldschooler]

12 hours ago, butterfly said:

NATO is not going to arm Ukraine, that would be suicidal, and they would lose their European allies over this, they are strongly opposed to this.

Those planes in Poland won't make it past the border with the Russian anti-craft artilleries,

this is all a pipe dream for powerless sock puppets, it makes nice headlines on the WSJ, but headlines don't win wars

NATO and European nations are powerless, and they look like fools. Even the Ukrainian President is losing patience and starting to realize he is left in the cold with only his c*ck in hand.

You Lie, Troll

[Cabra]

17 hours ago, Convert54 said:

I doubt there are  too many who would  deny that . But sadly Zelenskyy has been conned, shafted, etc by a combination of political naivety  and the gross manipulation that has been allowed.

In terms of identity the Ukraine  has repeatedly been subject to Russian influence  moreso than other core nationalities. For a long time after the dissolution of the USSR  Russia gifted  substantial free support including  gas and oil.  But due to systemic corruption (of no benefit to Russia)  and similtaneous complaints  to the "West" it culminated in the 2014  coup . As complicated as that was  the terms of it were ignored by a succession of  corrupt Ukrainian regimes that culminated eventually in the election of a popular Comedian/Actor with (Naturally) the approval of Western interests and purportedly "Fair , honest and therefore  magically :democratic..

It also repositioned  geopolitical perceptions of the Ukraine as Western oriented quite apart as a new  victim of Corporate rape of natural assets and financial enslavement. But kept poor !

I guess my question back you is, how does any of that justify Russian invading a sovereign country (twice; the first time annexing Crimea) for what appears to be the sole purpose of annexing additional territory for its own? And killing Ukrainian citizens in the process. Regardless of what Russia did for Ukraine (under prior corrupt Ukrainian regimes), just because Putin does not like the friends the current Ukrainian regime is leaning towards, does not give Putin the right to invade. Who Ukraine befriends or doesn't befriend is not for Putin to judge. And Putin's claims of "demilitarizing Ukraine" certainly aren't justified (Ukraine as a sovereign country has a right to militarize itself as it sees fit). Say Putin "wins" Ukraine, to what benefit? All Putin suceeds in doing is rallying the rest of NATO against him, the justifying its existence. He can't move past Ukraine, or against the Baltics. If his endgame is to dismantle NATO, all he really does is reinforce the need for NATO to exist in the first place, to stand against further future Russian aggressions.

[butterfly]

11 hours ago, EdwardV said:

They have failed to destroy the Ukrainian Air Force and air defense systems. Degraded yes, destroyed not even close. Basically Russia doesn’t own the sky over western Ukraine. 

I am not sure where you get your news, because that's definitely not true. Is that how the BBC is reporting this conflict?

[butterfly]

2 hours ago, Fester said:

They are delivering.

only in your head, the EU27 are not going to deliver on their promises. They simply can't, even with the best of intentions.