News Forum - NeoCoV could be ‘3 times more lethal’ than Covid-19, if it gains key mutation for human infection

[mcambl61]

6 minutes ago, Chatogaster said:

The "could be 3 times more lethal" is a sloppy mistake by the editor: it's actually higher by an order of magnitude. That's not a hugely wild guess but based on the fact that MERS-CoV (death rate of ~35%) and NeoCoV are genomically sufficiently similar to be considered as the same viral species.

Similarly, the "If" is not a huge if: All coronaviruses are known for their high mutability and hopping behavior. NeoCoV only needs to stumble upon 1 mutation (1510F) to hop over to humans.

Not sure if that makes it very newsworthy (probably not), but it's certainly something experts should keep a close eye on.

However, if (<-- sorry) news is to be censored until "possibly" or even "probably" have been upgraded to "100% certain", we should ban weather forecasts, GDP predictions, crime reports (where all is merely alleged) and just about everything even slightly interesting. If an asteroid obliterates earth, we should only be told the next day.

Completely missed the point. 

 

It's all conjecture fear porn and not anything but another fear mongering headline with no verifiable facts. 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, ctxa said:

Why shouldn't they? It's part of their country. 

In their twisted minds; like South China Sea …..borders change over time 

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

In their twisted minds; like South China Sea …..borders change over time 

Nobody recognizes Taiwan as a separate country. So it most definitely isn’t a separate country.
 

Same like those silly separatists in Catalonia or Scotland. They’ve all been fed a lot of bs! 

[Stonker]

21 minutes ago, ctxa said:

By the time Germany (and Hitler) fell, Japan was pretty much alrighty, and the war in the Pacific went on for several months. 
 

But anyway, yes we are going off topic.

Sorry, off topic but I have to correct that as it's badly incorrect.

It was actually three months between VE and VJ day, and Japan didn't "support Hitler" so much as oppose the Allies in the Pacific. Very, very different.

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

1 hour ago, Jesper said:

The title says '3 TIMES AS LETHAL'. The study says '30% deadlier'. So it's 1.3 times as lethal not 3 times.

 

45 minutes ago, King Cotton said:

Well-spotted, @Jesperand I thought I was the one with an eye for detail!

As with truncated articles it pays to read more than one source, as the truncated statement is accurate.

 

In this scenario, it could cause symptoms three times more deadly than Covid-19, he said, citing the 30 per cent mortality rate of MERS.

"Covid-22 would kill 17 million people, compared to Covid-19 which has killed 5.67 million.”

Three times as lethal, 17 million compared to 5.67 million.

The 30 % is the mortality rate of MERS over the motility rate of SARS …. The mortality rate caused by the SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV reached 15% and 37%, respectively. The article says that COVID22 would be closer to MERS than SARS, hence the 30%. Which is out of 100 people that would catch COVID22 30 would die.

Hence a correct statement regarding 3 times and 30%.
 

 

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

2 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Sorry, off topic but I have to correct that as it's badly incorrect.

It was actually three months between VE and VJ day, and Japan didn't "support Hitler" so much as oppose the Allies in the Pacific. Very, very different.

I don’t see how that’s incorrect. Germany fell before Japan did. 
 

And while Germany and Japan “couldn’t stand each other” they supported each other out of convenience. As a matter of fact Hitler never wanted to declare war on the US! But he was forced to do so by the Japanese after Pearl Harbor! He supported the Japanese, and they would have supported him!

Edited February 1, 2022 by ctxa

[Stonker]

5 minutes ago, ctxa said:

Nobody recognizes Taiwan as a separate country. So it most definitely isn’t a separate country.
 

Same like those silly separatists in Catalonia or Scotland. They’ve all been fed a lot of bs! 

Sorry, but again that's simply not true - fifteen countries officially recognize Taiwan politically and most do economically and pragmatically.

... and Scotland already is a 'separate country', but let's not go down that particular technicality.

I really think it's time to give this a rest.

[TimAn]

3 hours ago, DoUKnowWhoIAm said:

How about a ban on making bst soup ?

travia：bat soup is national dishes in Fiji

[Stonker]

7 minutes ago, ctxa said:

I don’t see how that’s incorrect. Germany fell before Japan did. 
 

And while Germany and Japan “couldn’t stand each other” they supported each other out of convenience. As a matter of fact Hitler never wanted to declare war on the US! But he was forced to do so by the Japanese after Pearl Harbor! He supported the Japanese, and they would have supported him!

Jesus H Christ - give it a rest

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

Just now, Stonker said:

... and Scotland already is a 'separate country', but let's not go down that particular technicality.

LOL, that’s a new one to me… last time I checked the world map Scotland belonged to the United Kingdom

[DoUKnowWhoIAm]

5 minutes ago, TimAn said:

travia：bat soup is national dishes in Fiji

Could be a tourist magnet attracting Chinese?

[oldschooler]

3 minutes ago, ctxa said:

Nobody recognizes Taiwan as a separate country. So it most definitely isn’t a separate country.
 

Same like those silly separatists in Catalonia or Scotland. They’ve all been fed a lot of bs! 

Taiwan is a functional real democracy and self- determined Sovereign nation. Naturally a separate state Just as water is wet. Formal diplomatic recognition largely irrelevant but has been granted by 13 countries . It comes at too high an economic cost for most, due to CCP aggression & blackmail. When CCP inevitably tries to invade we shall see how real Taiwan is when all free Pacific countries rush to defend it.

[Poolie]

9 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Taiwan is a functional real democracy and self- determined Sovereign nation. Naturally a separate state Just as water is wet. Formal diplomatic recognition largely irrelevant but has been granted by 13 countries . It comes at too high an economic cost for most, due to CCP aggression & blackmail. When CCP inevitably tries to invade we shall see how real Taiwan is when all free Pacific countries rush to defend it.

Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Paraguay, Nicaragua, Eswatini, Tuvalu, Nauru, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Marshall Isalnds, Palau, and the Vatican City.

I don't think anyone will be losing sleep about Taiwan, do you? Nicaragua have recently wobbled a bit.

Tsai Ing Wen's popularity went down to the low 30's per cent recently.

[oldschooler]

16 minutes ago, ctxa said:

LOL, that’s a new one to me… last time I checked the world map Scotland belonged to the United Kingdom

 UK =union of four separate countries. Difficult concept for CCP supporters. 

 

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

10 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Taiwan is a functional real democracy and self- determined Sovereign nation. Naturally a separate state Just as water is wet. Formal diplomatic recognition largely irrelevant but has been granted by 13 countries . It comes at too high an economic cost for most, due to CCP aggression & blackmail. When CCP inevitably tries to invade we shall see how real Taiwan is when all free Pacific countries rush to defend it.

If any country is determined enough to defend Taiwan, specially the US, they should start by giving Taiwan their best weapons, such as the F35 or even nuclear weapons. But of course the US won't do this because they are scared the Taiwanese will actually sell it to the mainland.

Anything else is just propaganda and putting a show to take billions of dollars from the Taiwanese for allegedly defending them. 

 

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

Just now, oldschooler said:

 UK =union of four separate countries. Difficult concept for CCP supporters. 

lol, you showed your teeth pretty quickly 

[Bluesofa]

5 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Paraguay, Nicaragua, Eswatini, Tuvalu, Nauru, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Marshall Isalnds, Palau, and the Vatican City.

I don't think anyone will be losing sleep about Taiwan, do you? Nicaragua have recently wobbled a bit.

Was it Nicaragua who the Chinese were pushing to stop recognising Taiwan?
Didn't the Chinese use the UN to prevent most countries recognising Taiwan, or have I got that wrong?
 

[Rookiescot]

39 minutes ago, ctxa said:

Nobody recognizes Taiwan as a separate country. So it most definitely isn’t a separate country.
 

Same like those silly separatists in Catalonia or Scotland. They’ve all been fed a lot of bs! 

Its called self determination. I understand that a CCP sympathiser will have little use or time for things like human rights but the rest of the world does.

[Poolie]

2 minutes ago, Bluesofa said:

Was it Nicaragua who the Chinese were pushing to stop recognising Taiwan?
Didn't the Chinese use the UN to prevent most countries recognising Taiwan, or have I got that wrong?
 

I think it was the UNs own decision. Nicaragua realised which side the bread was buttered in terms of trade.

[oldschooler]

6 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Paraguay, Nicaragua, Eswatini, Tuvalu, Nauru, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Marshall Isalnds, Palau, and the Vatican City.

I don't think anyone will be losing sleep about Taiwan, do you? Nicaragua have recently wobbled a bit.

Tsai Ing Wen's popularity went down to the low 30's per cent recently.

Future conflict flashpoint hopefully causing fall of CCP ….

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Its called self determination. I understand that a CCP sympathiser will have little use or time for things like human rights but the rest of the world does.

Ok, next I will self determine my house and my land are a sovereign country 

[Rookiescot]

28 minutes ago, ctxa said:

LOL, that’s a new one to me… last time I checked the world map Scotland belonged to the United Kingdom

Suggest you check again then. Would be excellent if you actually had a clue what you are talking about before making posts on a topic.

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Suggest you check again then. Would be excellent if you actually had a clue what you are talking about before making posts on a topic.

Just because it's called a "Country of the United Kingdom" doesn't mean it's a sovereign country, or that the rest of the world considers it as such. For all matters they belong to the United Kingdom, and they should continue doing so. 

[Guevara]

3 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

How about the CCP just stops messing with these things and everyone's lives in the world whether it secret labs or debt traps or trying to take over a sea that is not theirs to just leaving the country of Taiwan alone. Free Tibet!

Boy it would be nice if China was put back into place before they modernised. Nothing good will ever come from the CCP and would be nice if their people took control of their lives.

Just a pretty boring statistic, China is responsible for 67% of counterfeit goods globally. Ever wondered why they are cheap and last weeks or months (if at all)?

[oldschooler]

9 minutes ago, ctxa said:

If any country is determined enough to defend Taiwan, specially the US, they should start by giving Taiwan their best weapons, such as the F35 or even nuclear weapons. But of course the US won't do this because they are scared the Taiwanese will actually sell it to the mainland.

Anything else is just propaganda and putting a show to take billions of dollars from the Taiwanese for allegedly defending them. 

 Utter gibberish ….again. USA provides “sufficient” defensive weaponry to Taiwan. “Propaganda” definition - check it.