News Forum - NeoCoV could be ‘3 times more lethal’ than Covid-19, if it gains key mutation for human infection

[Bluesofa]

1 minute ago, Faraday said:

Albert will be delighted...

He could phone to show his appreciation by using the batmobile.

[HolyCowCm]

51 minutes ago, Bluesofa said:

While I agree with what what you're saying, China isn't the first country to be meddling with things outside of their domain.
The UK was just as guilty as many other European countries over the centuries, as well as the US.

'Free Tibet!' with every purchase.

Yeah but I am referring to the today and not of the yesterday. Could be I will complain about Russia or the USA next. In a way all governments are evil.

[HolyCowCm]

49 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Haven’t heard that one for a while. I wonder if we’ll even kick up a fuss next time around with “Free Taiwan”? Probably not if we’re still dying from the Wuhan virus, coming soon in new, improved form with even more anti vaxxer cleaning power. 

Yeah the CCP B-turds think free Taiwan. As in go take it over.

[Jason]

Another variant! While it's good that discoveries are shared, so we can prepare, it seems a medication that kills Corona Virus no matter how it morphs should be the focus of world efforts.

[TimothyN]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

Aaaaaaannnnnddddd he we are again with even more fear mongering propaganda. 

Ask yourself why there is a never ending stream of fear being pushed. 

It's a news story about another zoonotic coronavirus. In what way is it spreading fear? Knowledge creates fear? We publish stories believe will be on interest to our readers.

[brian60221]

2 hours ago, Thaiger said:

Chinese researchers in Wuhan have sounded the alarm

Unadulterated fear-pumping propaganda press crappola.

[Stonker]

5 minutes ago, TimothyN said:

It's a news story about another zoonotic coronavirus. In what way is it spreading fear? Knowledge creates fear? We publish stories believe will be on interest to our readers.

Exactly - it's just factual information.

... at least until now ...

[Stonker]

2 hours ago, Thaiger said:

it could turn into “Covid-22” and eventually be crowned “MERS-CoV-2,” PHC Vice Chairman Chalermchai Boonyaleephan said

Why on earth would it be called MERS-anything if it has nothing to do with the Middle East?

[mcambl61]

7 minutes ago, TimothyN said:

It's a news story about another zoonotic coronavirus. In what way is it spreading fear? Knowledge creates fear? We publish stories believe will be on interest to our readers.

Because it's not "news" if terms like "could be 3 times more lethal and the term" if". 

 

It's not news, it's yet another fear mongering headline that seems to be the preferred method of keeping people from being able to return to their lives. 

[mcambl61]

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

Another variant! While it's good that discoveries are shared, so we can prepare, it seems a medication that kills Corona Virus no matter how it morphs should be the focus of world efforts.

We don't need to kill it, just have therapeutics that keep people from serious hospitalization, and we already have these, although the constant effort to keep them from being reported and widely available is still happening. 

[Stonker]

30 minutes ago, TravellingThaiGerrr said:

What we do know is that the Chinese have the ability to perform gain of function techniques on all kinds of viruses, and this one is already in their hands. So if any mutations do happen, we'll know where to point

You mean as the UK has at Porton Down ... and the US at Fort Detrick ... and Russia at the Vektor Institute ... etc?

[Stonker]

7 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Because it's not "news" if terms like "could be 3 times more lethal and the term" if". 

It's not news, it's yet another fear mongering headline that seems to be the preferred method of keeping people from being able to return to their lives. 

So what would you prefer?

That it's hidden away and censored?

[Maxellus]

I wonder if the scientists looked at each other wondering whether they were going to jail for putting out the bad news like the first one did or if they were going to still have dinner with their families. I have no problems with Chinese people but "let's go communists"  and their government.

[Jesper]

The title says '3 TIMES AS LETHAL'. The study says '30% deadlier'. So it's 1.3 times as lethal not 3 times.

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

34 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Yeah the CCP B-turds think free Taiwan. As in go take it over.

Why shouldn't they? It's part of their country. 

[Jesper]

The title says '3 TIMES AS DEADLY'. The study says '30% deadlier'. That's 1.3 times as deadly not 3 times.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Jesper

[Stonker]

34 minutes ago, Jason said:

it seems a medication that kills Corona Virus no matter how it morphs should be the focus of world efforts.

20% of common colds are Corona viruses - plenty of people have been trying for a long time

17 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

We don't need to kill it, just have therapeutics that keep people from serious hospitalization, and we already have these, although the constant effort to keep them from being reported and widely available is still happening. 

If you or anyone else already had "therapeutics that keep people from serious hospitalization" you'd make Bill Gates and Elon Musk look like paupers - but you don't.

[brian60221]

13 minutes ago, ctxa said:

It's part of their country. 

No, that's not how things work. People decide to quit their jobs, people decide to get divorces, children sometimes decide not to have anything to do with their parents anymore. Parts of former organizations break off due to irreconcilable differences. That happens. It's a fact. That's what happened with Taiwan -- people fled there to escape the communists. The communists then promptly vindicated that decision to flee by murdering somewhere in the neighborhood of 50M Chinese people. So no, Taiwan is not a part of China. They left. They are separate now, and will hopefully remain separate.

[Stonker]

13 minutes ago, Jesper said:

The title says '3 TIMES AS DEADLY'. The study says '30% deadlier'. That's 1.3 times as deadly not 3 times.

No, sorry, that's not what "the study says" or what any of the source reports say - it's just what the Thaiger says for reasons you (or I) can only guess. 

Don't worry, you're new and you'll get used to it .

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

Just now, brian60221 said:

No, that's not how things work. People decide to quit their jobs, people decide to get divorces, children sometimes decide not to have anything to do with their parents anymore. Parts of former organizations break off due to irreconcilable differences. That happens. It's a fact. That's what happened with Taiwan -- people fled there to escape the communists. The communists then promptly vindicated that decision to flee by murdering somewhere in the neighborhood of 50M Chinese people. So no, Taiwan is not a part of China. They left. They are separate now, and will hopefully remain separate.

They didn't flee. They lost a war and the US put their ships in the Taiwan strait so as to deter the mainland from further attacking them. Then ensued a period of 38 years of martial law in Taiwan together with repression of all kinds. Hardly any different to what the mainland was going through for that same period of time. Called the White Error in Taiwan. I encourage you to read about it: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

 

Can you imagine if Hitler and his supporters had fled to say Greenland, and some foreign power helped prevent them from being attacked, and now there were two Germanies? Sort of the same thing here.

[King Cotton]

20 minutes ago, Jesper said:

The title says '3 TIMES AS LETHAL'. The study says '30% deadlier'. So it's 1.3 times as lethal not 3 times.

Well-spotted, @Jesperand I thought I was the one with an eye for detail!

And your debut post, too, so thanks for that and welcome to Thaiger Talk!

[Stonker]

7 minutes ago, ctxa said:

They didn't flee. They lost a war and the US put their ships in the Taiwan strait so as to deter the mainland from further attacking them. Then ensued a period of 38 years of martial law in Taiwan together with repression of all kinds. Hardly any different to what the mainland was going through for that same period of time. Called the White Error in Taiwan. I encourage you to read about it: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

Yes and no, although I think we're going way off topic.

Yes, the KMT definitely "lost the war",  but 'no', they equally definitely fled to Taiwan.

It certainly wasn't a period to be proud of, though.

11 minutes ago, ctxa said:

Can you imagine if Hitler and his supporters had fled to say Greenland, and some foreign power helped prevent them from being attacked, and now there were two Germanies? Sort of the same thing here.

Rather an absurd comparison as there were no foreign powers that supported Hitler that hadn't been defeated and surrendered, and there were "two Germanies" until they merged because both countries wanted to merge - rather obviously, that isn't "the same thing here".

We're getting way off topic, though ...

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

6 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Rather an absurd comparison as there were no foreign powers that supported Hitler that hadn't been defeated and surrendered

By the time Germany (and Hitler) fell, Japan was pretty much alrighty, and the war in the Pacific went on for several months. 
 

But anyway, yes we are going off topic.

[Chatogaster]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

Because it's not "news" if terms like "could be 3 times more lethal and the term" if". 

It's not news, it's yet another fear mongering headline that seems to be the preferred method of keeping people from being able to return to their lives. 

 

The "could be 3 times more lethal" is a sloppy mistake by the editor: it's actually higher by an order of magnitude. That's not a hugely wild guess but based on the fact that MERS-CoV (death rate of ~35%) and NeoCoV are genomically sufficiently similar to be considered as the same viral species.

Similarly, the "If" is not a huge if: All coronaviruses are known for their high mutability and hopping behavior. NeoCoV only needs to stumble upon 1 mutation (1510F) to hop over to humans.

Not sure if that makes it very newsworthy (probably not), but it's certainly something experts should keep a close eye on.

However, if (<-- sorry) news is to be censored until "possibly" or even "probably" have been upgraded to "100% certain", we should ban weather forecasts, GDP predictions, crime reports (where all is merely alleged) and just about everything even slightly interesting. If an asteroid obliterates earth, we should only be told the next day.

 

[ThaiEyes]

Well jeez, we’ll just have to make a new CNC forum for Controversial NeoCov. Maybe we can get NeoBlueSphynx to do it