News Forum - Experts say Omicron variant infections widely underreported

[Thaiger]

While the Omicron variant is now estimated to account for about 30% of all new Covid-19 infections in Thailand, experts believe that the actual number of cases of the strain is massively underreported. Dr Yong Poovorawan, the chief of the Centre of Excellence in Clinical Virology at the Faculty of Medicine of Chulalongkorn University, says that the more intensive testing to identify not just a Covid-19 infection but the Omicron variant itself is not being done frequently enough to identify Covid-19 infections are the Omicron variant. Dr Yong believes this to be the case in Thailand but also in many […]

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[Rookiescot]

Give it a couple of weeks and it will be safe to assume that ALL positive tests are omicron.

[HolyCowCm]

I personally feel that omicron is not that dangerous for the vacinated, but watch out if you aren't  all jabbed up..

[Fluke]

15 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

I personally feel that omicron is not that dangerous for the vacinated, but watch out if you aren't  all jabbed up..

Some Doctors are of the opinion that those with natural Covid protection, those who have already caught the virus and recovered naturally are better protected than those who received artificial protection through vaccinations 

[Marble-eye]

Yes I don't think that Omicron is anything to worry about, vaccinated or unvaccinated, but just to be on the safe side I have invested in a packet of Zubes.

[Ynwaps]

That's what happens if you give people the opportunity to buy test kits at 7-11. They'll have a sore throat and self-isolate. Thailand f***ed up big time by putting people into medical prisons. Testing at home should have been done from the start. 

[Stonker]

28 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Give it a couple of weeks and it will be safe to assume that ALL positive tests are omicron.

Not so sure - that's what many are hoping, that it'll replace Delta and others and give immunity, but in an aging population and if it doesn't give immunity as appears likely, it could just as easily be 'as well as' rather than 'instead of'.

[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Some Doctors are of the opinion that those with natural Covid protection, those who have already caught the virus and recovered naturally are better protected than those who received artificial protection through vaccinations 

Not necessarily. If you caught covid 6 months ago and recovered you will have less protection than someone who got their second vaccination two months ago.

[Stonker]

7 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Some Doctors are of the opinion that those with natural Covid protection, those who have already caught the virus and recovered naturally are better protected than those who received artificial protection through vaccinations 

... and some aren't.

In France, according to France 24, 90% of those hospitalised with Omicron are unvaccinated - some of whom have had the virus and some of whom haven't.

The problem is that you can only tell in big numbers in those countries where a large number of people are still unvaccinated but most have been tested (not just done the most tests), so that rules out the countries that have been keeping track of their stats and cases the most.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Not so sure - that's what many are hoping, that it'll replace Delta and others and give immunity, but in an aging population and if it doesn't give immunity as appears likely, it could just as easily be 'as well as' rather than 'instead of'.

Where omicron has run riot before (South Africa, UK etc) it is definitely displacing the Delta variant. The same as the Alpha (Kent variant) displaced the Wuhan and indeed Delta displaced Alpha.

Each one has been more contagious than its predecessor and therefor outcompetes it.

[HolyCowCm]

8 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Some Doctors are of the opinion that those with natural Covid protection, those who have already caught the virus and recovered naturally are better protected than those who received artificial protection through vaccinations 

There is so much put out there that in reality nothing is sacred when some quacks speak up to get their face in some of the lime light. I think the only thing they are sure of is that is it is a virus, it does mutate, it originated from inside China, and the Delta does have a higher sickness and hospitalization and kill rate with the unvaccinated. As for having had the virus and true immunity I believe it does help but I am not buying it to take to heart and bet my family's lives or mine on that..

[Fluke]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Not necessarily. If you caught covid 6 months ago and recovered you will have less protection than someone who got their second vaccination two months ago.

No , once you get natural immunity , you are covered for life .

Once you begin taking vaccinations, you need to continue taking them for life 

[oldschooler]

37 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

I personally feel that omicron is not that dangerous for the vacinated, but watch out if you aren't  all jabbed up..

And Be Healthy. Work at improving Diet & Weight Loss. Reverse all possible Conditions.Maximize your Anti - Covid Immune System. Do not rely solely on vax.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Fluke said:

No , once you get natural immunity , you are covered for life .

Once you begin taking vaccinations, you need to continue taking them for life 

Absolutely not true. People got the Wuhan variant then caught Alpha. People who recovered from Alpha went on to catch Delta. Everyone is going to catch omicron.

In theory whether vaccinated or not you could have caught covid three times already and just about to get your 4th.

[Cabra]

5 minutes ago, Fluke said:

once you get natural immunity , you are covered for life

It's really not that simple or absolute.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

"Natural immunity varies according to the person and the germ. A mild case of an illness may not result in strong natural immunity. New studies show that natural immunity to the coronavirus weakens (wanes) over time, and does so faster than immunity provided by COVID-19 vaccination."

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, oldschooler said:

And Be Healthy. Work at improving Diet & Weight Loss. Reverse all possible Conditions.Maximize your Anti - Covid Immune System. Do not rely solely on vax.

Vitamin D and zinc. Whether you are vaccinated or not. Especially if you are living in the Northern hemisphere at the moment. 

[Poolie]

1 minute ago, oldschooler said:

And Be Healthy. Work at improving Diet & Weight Loss. Reverse all possible Conditions.Maximize your Anti - Covid Immune System. Do not rely solely on vax.

There is no anti-covid immunity without vaccine or having caught the disease. How does one maximise that?

[oldschooler]

24 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Some Doctors are of the opinion that those with natural Covid protection, those who have already caught the virus and recovered naturally are better protected than those who received artificial protection through vaccinations 

Those Doctors would be Wrong. Many non-specialist Doctors have killed patients by misdiagnosis. 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Poolie said:

There is no anti-covid immunity without vaccine or having caught the disease. How does one maximise that?

I think he is talking about boosting your immune system so when you catch covid your body is better prepared to fight it.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Those Doctors would be Wrong. Many non-specialist Doctors have killed patients by misdiagnosis. 

Many bloggers have killed people by posting lies and misinformation about covid and vaccines.

[HolyCowCm]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Vitamin D and zinc. Whether you are vaccinated or not. Especially if you are living in the Northern hemisphere at the moment. 

Stack all the odds in your favor for being more resilient.

[oldschooler]

3 minutes ago, Poolie said:

There is no anti-covid immunity without vaccine or having caught the disease. How does one maximise that?

Of course there is. Before Vax only the very old and unfit with compromised immune systems, died, 0.03-05%pop. Google “immune system”.
 

[Stonker]

15 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Where omicron has run riot before (South Africa, UK etc) it is definitely displacing the Delta variant. The same as the Alpha (Kent variant) displaced the Wuhan and indeed Delta displaced Alpha.

Each one has been more contagious than its predecessor and therefor outcompetes it.

Agreed as far as contagion goes, but the problem I'm talking about is that unless it gives immunity it's not actually going to change anything - and all the indicators are now that it doesn't even give immunity from Omicron let alone anything else, so it's just an additional issue and not any sort of light at the end of the tunnel.

[Stonker]

18 minutes ago, Fluke said:

No , once you get natural immunity , you are covered for life .

Once you begin taking vaccinations, you need to continue taking them for life 

Sorry, but the Israeli study put an end to that myth completely, on both counts.

The natural immunity wanes, just like vaccinations, and nobody knows how long you'll need to take vaccinations for or how many time as they just haven't been around long enough to find out.

Different vaccines obviously last very different lengths of time, from Tetanus to MMR to Polio to Rabies.  There's no common denominator.

[Stonker]

6 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Of course there is. Before Vax only the very old and unfit with compromised immune systems, died, 0.03-05%pop. Google “immune system”.
 

Well ... yes ... I suppose if you're dead then technically you're immune ... .