News Forum - Omicron variant infections set to surpass 1,000 in Thailand

[Rangers]

Die solely from Omicron? There's more chance of a threesome with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. 

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, Malc-Thai said:

"sure a few may die"

Thank you for your sacrifice 

0.03 to 0.05% death rate, or far less in SE Asia, of total populations, who MUST by now have been all exposed, with falling deaths due to vax, primarily very old with some very unfit …..thats 99.95 % minimum survival rate…..but lets not isolate the vulnerable,now vaxxed so far less at risk, just continue to lockdown and restrict ALL, even the fully vaxxed, and carry on destroying societies & economies…..to extend the lives of the very few vulnerable walking dead by a few more years ……that really makes perfect sense…… ! no mass hysteria here , we SHALL have Zero Covid, so now move along sheeple……

recalls Day of the Triffids, but in Reverse,where a few maniac progressives had the few sighted shackled to the 99.9% Blind (walking dead) in an entirely collapsed society……with covid the walking dead are shackled to the 99.95% healthy to drag ALL into despair and ruin…..

 

 

[Manu]

4 hours ago, astro said:

Not the hospital staff who needs to cater for the serious cases.

But I suppose that's probably just a minor consideration as long as you're not one queuing for a "postponable" operation or a slot in an overloaded ICU...

It is nice to think about hospital staff, but do you do so since covid or you always have? Do you know what was happening in hospitals in the majority of western countries prior to covid, in France, in the UK, etc...? Cause queuing for a "postponable" operation and overloaded ICU have been happening year after year for many years now, not more, not less. So did you have the same worries about hospital staff in 2019, 2018, etc...? Just wondering...

Edited December 31, 2021 by Manu

[BBY]

Just my opinion, but I believe a much more sensible list of numbers would be.

Rolling number of people in hospital because of covid.

This number should not include (as it does in the U.K.) those hospitalised for other reasons, that then test positive, as its quite likely they may only have had a mild infection that would not normally have sent them to hospital. 
 

Average length of stay in hospital for the above, because it may be only a day or two. This would highlight how serious the infections are.

Rolling number of people in ICU.

All of the above should then be broken down in vaccination or previous infection status, one, two, three (booster) or already had it before. etc.

Finally, number of deaths directly associated with a covid infection.

I think this set of figures would give us a far better picture of how serious each peak is  

 

[Jason]

Cases of Omicron will rise exponentially in Thailand, just the same as they have everywhere else. But look to Africa for what the future of Omicron holds. 

[astro]

53 minutes ago, Manu said:

It is nice to think about hospital staff, but do you do so since covid or you always have? Do you know what was happening in hospitals in the majority of western countries prior to covid, in France, in the UK, etc...? Cause queuing for a "postponable" operation and overloaded ICU have been happening year after year for many years now, not more, not less. So did you have the same worries about hospital staff in 2019, 2018, etc...? Just wondering...

Been kinda on my mind for a long time, more so since I have worked in healthcare myself, even more in the last couple of years when it got a lot worse.

One could of course blame politics for lack of funding, low pay etc., but it is as it is.

It seems awareness has increased through COVID, though it still needs to be realised that clapping hands once a year in appreciation isn't enough.

Edited December 31, 2021 by astro

[Tom_Archer]

Omicron is displacing Delta in other countries with astonishing speed - around 19 out of 20 cases in the UK are now Omicron, this from nothing a month ago.

The great news is that although spreading rapidly, Omicron is just a minor cold, rarely lasting more than a couple of days, and only very rarely causing significant ill-health, even amongst the most vulnerable.

Delta will soon be gone, worldwide, and then everyone should stop worrying and get back to normal.

[Nivram]

Delta will soon be gone

Omicron will soon be gone

New mutation will soon be gone

Newer mutation will soon be gone.

[Manu]

11 hours ago, astro said:

Been kinda on my mind for a long time, more so since I have worked in healthcare myself, even more in the last couple of years when it got a lot worse.

One could of course blame politics for lack of funding, low pay etc., but it is as it is.

It seems awareness has increased through COVID, though it still needs to be realised that clapping hands once a year in appreciation isn't enough.

Well there, real. Thanks.

[Rain]

14 hours ago, BBY said:

Just my opinion, but I believe a much more sensible list of numbers would be.

Rolling number of people in hospital because of covid.

This number should not include (as it does in the U.K.) those hospitalised for other reasons, that then test positive, as its quite likely they may only have had a mild infection that would not normally have sent them to hospital. 
 

Average length of stay in hospital for the above, because it may be only a day or two. This would highlight how serious the infections are.

Rolling number of people in ICU.

All of the above should then be broken down in vaccination or previous infection status, one, two, three (booster) or already had it before. etc.

Finally, number of deaths directly associated with a covid infection.

I think this set of figures would give us a far better picture of how serious each peak is  

Some are of the opinion that the greater percentage of those hospitalized could've easily waited it out at home - another stat we rarely hear about, if at all, are those hospitalized that discharged [which is the overwhelming percentage]. The overreaction and unnecessary hospitalization is OTT.

[Nivram]

The physicans in the hospitals should determine if those patients that want to be admitted are ill enought to be admitted to the hospital.

If not send them home and not over burden hospital resources and staff.

[BBY]

9 hours ago, Rain said:

Some are of the opinion that the greater percentage of those hospitalized could've easily waited it out at home - another stat we rarely hear about, if at all, are those hospitalized that discharged [which is the overwhelming percentage]. The overreaction and unnecessary hospitalization is OTT.

We have a Covid at home Scheme at the moment, whereby the patient isolates at home and is issued with an oximeter and instructions on collecting their saturation numbers, temperature details etc. There is then regular contact with a health practitioner by phone, which is increased in regularity if things start to worsen, up to a point where they will be admitted if it becomes necessary.  It does seem to work quite well. 

[JJJ]

23 hours ago, BBY said:

Just my opinion, but I believe a much more sensible list of numbers would be.

Rolling number of people in hospital because of covid.

This number should not include (as it does in the U.K.) those hospitalised for other reasons, that then test positive, as its quite likely they may only have had a mild infection that would not normally have sent them to hospital. 
 

Average length of stay in hospital for the above, because it may be only a day or two. This would highlight how serious the infections are.

Rolling number of people in ICU.

All of the above should then be broken down in vaccination or previous infection status, one, two, three (booster) or already had it before. etc.

Finally, number of deaths directly associated with a covid infection.

I think this set of figures would give us a far better picture of how serious each peak is  

Are you suggesting this is better information than say Bangkok Post headlines “big increase in covid cases” (from 3,000 to 3,100) or “covid deaths up again” (from 20 to 25) with absolutely no discussion around even something like a 7 day average? That’s novel Or one might notice look at covid deaths in 2021 versus car accidents in Thailand for some perspective. 

[Stonker]

On 12/31/2021 at 3:33 PM, oldschooler said:

0.03 to 0.05% death rate, or far less in SE Asia, of total populations, who MUST by now have been all exposed, with falling deaths due to vax, primarily very old with some very unfit …..thats 99.95 % minimum survival rate…..but lets not isolate the vulnerable,now vaxxed so far less at risk, just continue to lockdown and restrict ALL, even the fully vaxxed, and carry on destroying societies & economies…..to extend the lives of the very few vulnerable walking dead by a few more years ……that really makes perfect sense…… ! no mass hysteria here , we SHALL have Zero Covid, so now move along sheeple……

recalls Day of the Triffids, but in Reverse,where a few maniac progressives had the few sighted shackled to the 99.9% Blind (walking dead) in an entirely collapsed society……with covid the walking dead are shackled to the 99.95% healthy to drag ALL into despair and ruin…..

So that's only 35,000 dead in Thailand in the first wave ... nothing to worry about then !

[Stonker]

On 12/31/2021 at 4:21 PM, Jason said:

But look to Africa for what the future of Omicron holds. 

Why? 

Do 'we' have a national average age of 27?

Oh .... I see, now ... after Omicron and Covid, then we'll have an average of 27 and that's what the future holds !

[Stonker]

10 hours ago, Rain said:

Some are of the opinion that the greater percentage of those hospitalized could've easily waited it out at home - another stat we rarely hear about, if at all, are those hospitalized that discharged [which is the overwhelming percentage]. The overreaction and unnecessary hospitalization is OTT.

Well, since Omicron arrived in the UK between 1 in 8 and 1 in 12 of those hospitalized with it have died.

That suggests they wouldn't have done too well waiting it out at home !

[Convert54]

31 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Why? 

Do 'we' have a national average age of 27?

Oh .... I see, now ... after Omicron and Covid, then we'll have an average of 27 and that's what the future holds !

National average age of Indonesians is only 29.7 but they got hammered by Delta. At 4th in the world population density is a factor which increased this year despite the  covid  kill rate.

For the few places that genuinely have no recorded cases of covid it will be scary thing to openly participate in worldly affairs if and when the shackles of  fear are removed or rusted away!

 

[Rain]

On 12/31/2021 at 12:33 AM, oldschooler said:

0.03 to 0.05% death rate, or far less in SE Asia, of total populations, who MUST by now have been all exposed, with falling deaths due to vax, primarily very old with some very unfit …..thats 99.95 % minimum survival rate…..but lets not isolate the vulnerable,now vaxxed so far less at risk, just continue to lockdown and restrict ALL, even the fully vaxxed, and carry on destroying societies & economies…..to extend the lives of the very few vulnerable walking dead by a few more years ……that really makes perfect sense…… ! no mass hysteria here , we SHALL have Zero Covid, so now move along sheeple……

recalls Day of the Triffids, but in Reverse,where a few maniac progressives had the few sighted shackled to the 99.9% Blind (walking dead) in an entirely collapsed society……with covid the walking dead are shackled to the 99.95% healthy to drag ALL into despair and ruin…..

Applies to all of Asia, less SE Asia. 

 

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[Rain]

22 hours ago, Nivram said:

Delta will soon be gone

Omicron will soon be gone

New mutation will soon be gone

Newer mutation will soon be gone.

Some might suggest that they were never real to begin with. 

Part of the ruse.

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, Convert54 said:

National average age of Indonesians is only 29.7 but they got hammered by Delta. At 4th in the world population density is a factor which increased this year despite the  covid  kill rate.

For the few places that genuinely have no recorded cases of covid it will be scary thing to openly participate in worldly affairs if and when the shackles of  fear are removed or rusted away!

Plenty of vaccinations eventually in Indonesia, but a lot of Sinovac probably hardly helped with Delta, but they may fare better with Omicron.

... given the disparity in age between South Africa and the EU, UK, USA and even Thailand you'd think most people would realise it's a major factor, but no ...

[Jason]

Looks like I sparked a bit of a discussion....good!!!

[Rain]

11 hours ago, Nivram said:

The physicans in the hospitals should determine if those patients that want to be admitted are ill enought to be admitted to the hospital.

If not send them home and not over burden hospital resources and staff.

Sure. Goes without saying. 

Should've been the practice from the start - worldwide.......instead of this unnecessary and justified handwringing and knee-jerk reactions of a viral condition that finds a extreme small fatality rate. 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, Rain said:

Applies to all of Asia, less SE Asia. 

 No, it doesn’t. Non applicable to civilized East Asia. Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan.

[Nivram]

Any numbers on the old fashion "flu?"

I guess that is old news.

The symptoms overlap.

But include it in the omecron statistics.