News Forum - 92 Phuket Sandbox, Test & Go travellers positive for Covid, tests to determine variant

[Thaiger]

Phuket’s Public Health doctor, Kusak Kukieatsak, says the Covid-19 test results for 92 travellers who recently entered the country from overseas are being examined to determine if they are infected with the Omicron variant. The doctor added that he believes most of the results will come back positive for the mutated strain. The travellers tested positive for Covid-19 after entering Thailand under the Phuket Sandbox and Test & Go programmes. Kusak told Thai media that around 3,500 – 4,500 travellers arrive on the island each day with around 20 to 30 of them testing positive for Covid-19. Most of the […]

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[Stonker]

A good start to the holiday - STAY AT HOME!!!!!

[Rain]

4 minutes ago, Stonker said:

A good start to the holiday - STAY AT HOME!!!!!

Yeah. The only ones coming at all are those that have business or reside here.

Any trafficked holidaymakers/tourists, of the last month, have dwindled considerably - as the word gets around. 

They screwed this all up big time.

[Marc26]

28 minutes ago, Rain said:

Yeah. The only ones coming at all are those that have business or reside here.

Any trafficked holidaymakers/tourists, of the last month, have dwindled considerably - as the word gets around. 

They screwed this all up big time.

How did they screw this all up?

They have restrictions in place like many countries

 

If you read other forums but this miserable cesspool, there are many happy tourists that have arrived with ease(and understood the risks also) and aren't whining and moaning like the miserable bastatrds on this forum 

[riclag]

Fingers crossed that none of these new arrival covid positive aren’t  members ! 
I don’t want anybody to fall prey to this govt revenue/ restrictions  rape scheme anymore than they already committed themselves too! Just sayin!

[rohbear]

1 hour ago, Marc26 said:

How did they screw this all up?

They have restrictions in place like many countries

If you read other forums but this miserable cesspool, there are many happy tourists that have arrived with ease(and understood the risks also) and aren't whining and moaning like the miserable bastatrds on this forum 

I completely agree. The Negative Nancy nay-sayers on this forum are rampant. They apparently have nothing to do but complain about everything. In 24 hours I will be on my way to The Land Of Smiles. The Test and Go approval process was rather extensive, but doable. I for one and happy the Thai government is making such an effort to keep the virus somewhat under control.

[vlad]

2 hours ago, Marc26 said:

How did they screw this all up?

They have restrictions in place like many countries

If you read other forums but this miserable cesspool, there are many happy tourists that have arrived with ease(and understood the risks also) and aren't whining and moaning like the miserable bastatrds on this forum 

Because these miserable Bastards on here Marc26 saw as you call us have seen all local and International news. The Thai Government allowed thousands to travel around the Country on a Holiday ( Songkran ) spreading the Pandemic Country wide. We also saw the Thai Government brag and allow New years Celebrations during a severe Pandemic and to top it all we " Tourists " are being blamed for bringing Covid to Thailand not the Thais who are the 1s spreading it. So before you call us out as Moaning Bastards look how the Thai government has handled there Pandemic efforts.

[JohninDublin]

4 hours ago, riclag said:

Fingers crossed that none of these new arrival covid positive aren’t  members ! 
I don’t want anybody to fall prey to this govt revenue/ restrictions  rape scheme anymore than they already committed themselves too! Just sayin!

Your post implies that there is a co-ordinated scheme to fleece tourists. Recent figures show that there about 25 cases a day being detected in 4000 tourists arriving daily (just over 0.6%). I couldn't tell you how many flights are landing daily, but I'd guess it's more than 25. Is it so unusual to find an average of less than 1 person per flight being detected.

Now factor in that all tourists being tested twice, the second time being 5 days later, and plenty of time to be infected locally. So now the detection/tests ratio is 0.3%. Add to this that Insurers do not like paying claims, and they will have actuaries looking for supicious patterns, such as the possibility that there is a conspiracy between test labs and hospitals, and if they see a possible pattern, I'm pretty sure they will insist on the suspicious cases being retested by a second lab at which time the scam, if it exists, will be detected.

And then of course, there is the usual problem with conspiracies, that the more people you need to involve, the more likely it is to fall apart.

I don't say it can't happen, or that it isn't happening, but if it is, it is on such a small scale as to be undetectable so far.

[Michael0510]

Would be interesting to know from which countries the travellers are from, who were tested positive. I wouldn’t be surprised that there is a pattern. 

[BIGGLES]

People should know the risks by now.

Pay your money, take your chance, or not.

Time to be responsible for yourselves. 

What else can you do, you can't stop the world and get off.

Let's all hope this crap will ease off in the new year.

Here's wishing all on the forum a Happy New Year!

[DrPattaya]

So on average 25 people get tested postive out of average 4,000 passengers.

that is a 1 in 160 chance. One person in every plane.

[ShibaBud]

On Wednesday (29dec), CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky explained that quarantine guidelines were being amended because PCR tests often show “positive” for COVID-19 well beyond the point of transmissibility, according to a report in Daily Wire.

Dr. Walensky linked the need to change isolation or quarantine guidelines to errors often yielded by PCR tests. 

FDA and CDC representatives have touted the accuracy and necessity of PCR testing many times. Their recommendations have shaped government policies that significantly impact the nation’s economy, employment, and education sectors. (Morphed social norms & Livelihoods confiscated because of inaccurate PCR test & a rogue CDC that would not admit it till now??)

Today’s admission by the CDC director enraged many Americans, particularly since it is suspected federal agencies have known about the faulty test for months yet continued introducing draconian mask and vaccination mandate policies.

On Wednesday (29dec), ABC’s “Good Morning America” aired an interview during which Dr. Walensky stated that PCR tests can show positive results for COVID-19 for as long as three months.

Postings on alternative news platforms have grown exponentially in recent months, which many believe forced the CDC to announce last July that a new PCR test would be introduced at the end of 2021.

[AMc]

5 hours ago, ShibaBud said:

On Wednesday (29dec), ABC’s “Good Morning America” aired an interview during which Dr. Walensky stated that PCR tests can show positive results for COVID-19 for as long as three months.

 

...and are incapable of differentiating between the common cold, influenza, lung cancer, and/or the "cov" even when used at the recommended 25 cycles threshold. For the better part of 2 years the cycles threshold (across the globe) was set at 35, or higher, rendering the test results invalid.

5 hours ago, ShibaBud said:

Today’s admission by the CDC director enraged many Americans, particularly since it is suspected federal agencies have known about the faulty test for months yet continued introducing draconian mask and vaccination mandate policies.

In fact, shortly after the PCR inventor Kary Mullis received the 1993(!) Nobel Prize for his invention, he stated clearly that the PCR test cannot be used as a diagnostic tool. Mullis was quite vocal about his objection to the misuse of the PCR test until his death in August 2019 (3 months before the detection of Covid-19 and the world-wide rollout of the pre-purchased/stockpiled/pre-distributed known faulty PCR "diagnostic" test kits).

"News Forum - 92 Phuket Sandbox, Test & Go travellers positive for Covid, tests to determine variant"

"Positive", using what test?

If indeed the "travellers" were tested using the known faulty PCR diagnostic test, what was the cycle threshold used?

Do these "travellers" have the option of being retested, again and again if necessary, until a negative result is returned? If not, why not? (allow me to guess; "Out of an abundance of caution")

Were any of these "travellers" ill (i.e. symptomatic) prior to boarding their flight(s)?

"Asymptomatic" transmission is, at best, extremely rare if it is even possible.

 

 

[Jason]

Just a hint for your future with Omicron.....buy rapid antigen tests...now. Demand has surged in my country, just as much if not more than Omicron has. PCR testing will soon be overwhelmed and too slow to be meaningful. It's only worth is to confirm a rapid antigen positive test. I'm looking to Africa, where Omicron became known. What happens there is a crystal ball for how this will play out. It's time to be considered about what to do... not hysterical.

[BBY]

Kusak told Thai media that around 3,500 – 4,500 travellers arrive on the island each day with around 20 to 30 of them testing positive for Covid-19. Most of the cases have been detected in the mandatory on-arrival RT-PCR test. When a positive case is found, the result is sent to a lab to determine the variant. The follow-up test takes seven to 10 days.

Sorry, but when in examples like this you use words like MOST it implies you have no idea how many were identified by the initial PCR test on arrival or later tests where the visitors have picked up the infection locally…..

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, AMc said:

In fact, shortly after the PCR inventor Kary Mullis received the 1993(!) Nobel Prize for his invention, he stated clearly that the PCR test cannot be used as a diagnostic tool. Mullis was quite vocal about his objection to the misuse of the PCR test until his death in August 2019 (3 months before the detection of Covid-19 and the world-wide rollout of the pre-purchased/stockpiled/pre-distributed known faulty PCR "diagnostic" test kits).

Sorry, that's not a "fact" but it's untrue as he didn't.

The only evidence for that isn't in any scientific paper or anything else he wrote as you'd expect it to be, but was from a single comment he made during a debate on HIV and AIDS.  If you have any other evidence about it, then please give a link as no-one else has ever done so anywhere.

What is a 'fact', though, is that Kary Mullis had some very strange views such as HIV and AIDS being unrelated, which he was at that debate for, and that after first 'inventing' the PCR test he had no involvement in it's development at all, for the next thirty years, so he's not in any position to be quoted on it in its current form as an authority.

1 hour ago, AMc said:

If indeed the "travellers" were tested using the known faulty PCR diagnostic test, what was the cycle threshold used?

If you knew anything about PCR testing, you'd know that knowing the "cycle threshold" would tell you nothing as different tests from different manufacturers require a different number of cycles.

1 hour ago, AMc said:

Do these "travellers" have the option of being retested, again and again if necessary, until a negative result is returned? If not, why not? (allow me to guess; "Out of an abundance of caution")

Yes they do.

 

1 hour ago, AMc said:

"Asymptomatic" transmission is, at best, extremely rare if it is even possible.

That's simply completely untrue.

"Do Asymptomtic Carriers of Sars-Cov-2 Transmit the Virus: Wilmes et al. recently reported in The Lancet Regional Health – Europe that asymptomatic index cases (AIC) play an important role in the transmission and spread of SARS-CoV2 infections . Secondary attack rates of 283 AIC were significant (0.02) but lower than those of the 567 symptomatic index cases (SIC; 0.04). AIC infected on average 0.6 contacts, only slightly less than SIC (0.7 contacts). Higher values but similar differences were found within households.

These results are in line with 13 other studies including 111 AIC, reviewed in a recent meta-analysis . Transmission rates of AIC ranged from 0–2.2% compared to 0.8–15.4% for SIC . Another meta-analysis found that household transmission from AIC was 0–4.9% compared to 18.0%; for SIC.

In another household study, AIC were four times less likely to pass the virus to a household contact, but ultimately caused one fifth of household infections.

All of these studies agree that AIC transmit SARS-COV2 to contacts, although to a somewhat lesser extent than SIC."

"Asymptomatic coronavirus infections contribute to over 50% of spread, according to UChicago study"

"59% of COVID Cases Stem from Asymptomatic Spread"

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00059-4/fulltext

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/asymptomatic-coronavirus-infections-contribute-to-over-50-percent-of-spread

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210110/59-percent-of-covid-cases-stem-from-asymptomatic-spread

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2342

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

 

 

[Rain]

2 hours ago, AMc said:

...and are incapable of differentiating between the common cold, influenza, lung cancer, and/or the "cov" even when used at the recommended 25 cycles threshold. For the better part of 2 years the cycles threshold (across the globe) was set at 35, or higher, rendering the test results invalid.

In fact, shortly after the PCR inventor Kary Mullis received the 1993(!) Nobel Prize for his invention, he stated clearly that the PCR test cannot be used as a diagnostic tool. Mullis was quite vocal about his objection to the misuse of the PCR test until his death in August 2019 (3 months before the detection of Covid-19 and the world-wide rollout of the pre-purchased/stockpiled/pre-distributed known faulty PCR "diagnostic" test kits).

"News Forum - 92 Phuket Sandbox, Test & Go travellers positive for Covid, tests to determine variant"

"Positive", using what test?

If indeed the "travellers" were tested using the known faulty PCR diagnostic test, what was the cycle threshold used?

Do these "travellers" have the option of being retested, again and again if necessary, until a negative result is returned? If not, why not? (allow me to guess; "Out of an abundance of caution")

Were any of these "travellers" ill (i.e. symptomatic) prior to boarding their flight(s)?

"Asymptomatic" transmission is, at best, extremely rare if it is even possible.

Thanks...

Just as some of us thought - it's all a bit of a ruse.

Back to square one? 

[Chatogaster]

8 hours ago, ShibaBud said:

Postings on alternative news platforms have grown exponentially in recent months, which many believe forced the CDC to announce last July that a new PCR test would be introduced at the end of 2021.

 

I guess you're referring to https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/08-02-2021-lab-alert-Clarifications_about_Retirement_CDC_2019_Novel_Coronavirus_1.html

My mind boggles (and yours should too) at the paradox you introduced. If - in the last couple of months - alternative news (which invariably is based on personal theories, re-interpretations of selective parts of actual studies and most importantly of all: the number of likes) forced CDC's hand in July, they must be phenomenally adept at correctly predicting trends.

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by Chatogaster

[Michael0510]

On 12/30/2021 at 9:37 PM, Michael0510 said:

Would be interesting to know from which countries the travellers are from, who were tested positive. I wouldn’t be surprised that there is a pattern. 

Here is the pattern:

 

• Germany 0,23% (61 von 26.233)
• UK 1,08% (214 von 19.793)
• Russia 0,42% (76 von 17.893)
• USA 1,56% (188 von 12.075)
• Singapore 0,09% (10 von 10.907)
• Sweden 0,39% (41 von 10.488)
• France 0,76% (79 von 10.451)
• UAE 0,83% (71 von 8.569)
• South Korea 0,11% (8 von 7.296)
• Australia 0,33% (23 von 7.057)
• Other 0,33% (529 von 159.855)
• Total 0,45% (1.300 von 290.617)

Traveler from the US and UK should be excluded fron test&go. They make up 11% of all travelers, but they are responsible for 31% of infected travelers. Their risk is 3,6 times higher than the average risk of the other travelers.

 

 

 

 

[Rain]

6 minutes ago, Michael0510 said:

Here is the pattern:

• Germany 0,23% (61 von 26.233)
• UK 1,08% (214 von 19.793)
• Russia 0,42% (76 von 17.893)
• USA 1,56% (188 von 12.075)
• Singapore 0,09% (10 von 10.907)
• Sweden 0,39% (41 von 10.488)
• France 0,76% (79 von 10.451)
• UAE 0,83% (71 von 8.569)
• South Korea 0,11% (8 von 7.296)
• Australia 0,33% (23 von 7.057)
• Other 0,33% (529 von 159.855)
• Total 0,45% (1.300 von 290.617)

Traveler from the US and UK should be excluded fron test&go. They make up 11% of all travelers, but they are responsible for 31% of infected travelers. Their risk is 3,6 times higher than the average risk of the other travelers.

Gee, imagine that - 

US and UK on the leader board.