News Forum - Escaped Israeli officially cleared of Covid-19, now faces prosecution

[Thaiger]

The good news is: you don’t have  Covid-19. The bad news: you’re being sent to police custody. In the most recent twist to the case of an Israeli tourist who entered Thailand on Friday and snuck off before receiving his Covid-19 test only to be diagnosed with Omicron as a nationwide manhunt ensued, the man has now been determined to be Covid-19 free. Ohad Baruch, the 29 year old Israeli in question, was tested on arrival for Covid-19 and authorities reported he was positive with faint traces of the Omicron variant too. Before those results had been determined, he took […]

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[AdvocatusDiaboli]

6 minutes ago, Thaiger said:

was tested on arrival for Covid-19 and authorities reported he was positive with faint traces of the Omicron variant too.

Now there must be concern over the honesty of the testing procedures …. Is this to drum up Thai Medical business as tourists are lacking?  The Media really needs to highlight the accuracy of Thai testing …. with finding faint traces of nonexistent COVID.

[Easterneye]

4 minutes ago, AdvocatusDiaboli said:

Now there must be concern over the honesty of the testing procedures …. Is this to drum up Thai Medical business as tourists are lacking?  The Media really needs to highlight the accuracy of Thai testing …. with finding faint traces of nonexistent COVID.

Exactly ,, there are allready stories of this corrupt place sending foreigners off to hospital ,, getting hospital bills of 400000 bht which is NOT covered by your travel or covid insurance , coupled with missed flights home , anyone going is playing Russian roulette whether or not the hotel manager is in cahoots with the local hospital .

My recommendation would be before you get your test done get some Q tips and soak the tip with the strongest Anki oil you can bear and just put that as far up your nose as you can , that should wipe out any test worries

[Graham]

Yep it certainly looks like very dubious results in Thailand, how many others are currently sitting in quarantine or hospital with false results, everyone knows they are robbing people blind with these tests and the fact hospitals can charge what they like and it has to come out your pocket, not covered by insurance. 

TIT.

[riclag]

This is for the wanabi’s ,who want to come to Thailand on holiday !

Advice , wait until the restrictions are off the table or you too can be subjected to a third world country false positive nightmare beyond your wildest dreams!

The false positive news is far more shocking then this blokes  original escapades !

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

52 minutes ago, riclag said:

The false positive news is far more shocking then this blokes  original escapades !

And as reported ..
The director of Koh Samui Hospital posits that the traveller was infected with a mild case of Covid-19, possibly due to being vaccinated, and has already recovered from the virus he tested positive for 6 days previously. 

‘So he was vaccinated with …. Omicron … one posits belief on that !

 

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

3 hours ago, Thaiger said:

The good news is: you don’t have  Covid-19. The bad news: you’re being sent to police custody. In the most recent twist to the case of an Israeli tourist who entered Thailand on Friday and snuck off before receiving his Covid-19 test only to be diagnosed with Omicron as a nationwide manhunt ensued, the man has now been determined to be Covid-19 free. Ohad Baruch, the 29 year old Israeli in question, was tested on arrival for Covid-19 and authorities reported he was positive with faint traces of the Omicron variant too. Before those results had been determined, he took […]

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I believe that this entire story is "fake news". Did anyone else realize that Ohad Baruch is an anagram for "Brouhaha". Come on! How gullible do they think we are? This is clearly an attempt by "them" to cause more fear and panic. 

Disclosure: this post is sarcasm and should not be taken seriously by anyone. Seriously....just kidding. 

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, AdvocatusDiaboli said:

And as reported ..
The director of Koh Samui Hospital posits that the traveller was infected with a mild case of Covid-19, possibly due to being vaccinated, and has already recovered from the virus he tested positive for 6 days previously. 

‘So he was vaccinated with …. Omicron … one posits belief on that !

Yes, that's what the Thaiger report says.

The Bangkok Post report which is linked to as the source doesn't say that, nor do reports in the Nation, Thai PBS World, Khaosod English nor the Phuket News, nor do any reports in Thai media that I've seen.

What the Bangkok Post report actually says, quoting the director, is:

"Koh Samui Hospital director Nichapha Sawasdikanon said the hospital discharged him after the results of the three tests matched. Doctors said he had fully recovered and could not spread the disease, she added.

His first test conducted after his arrival in Bangkok on Friday showed he was infected with Covid-19.

"The first test in Bangkok was positive but it showed a low amount of the Corona virus" she said."

Apart from in the article written by Neill Fronde, all the other media reports including the source article in the Bangkok Post, the only Thai medical official involved in any way who "posits" anything is the Head of the Medical Sciences Department Dr. Supakit Sirilak who explained that the original sample that had tested positive for Covid and the Omichron variant had been tested twice confirming the original findings ("the same specimen was sent for a second analysis, which was positive for the Omicron variant, but in a small amount") which he later 'posited' may be the reason why the COVID-19 tests in Samui had come back negative as they were taken five days later which would be correct if he was recovering from an infection when first tested (" Suphakit said the reason why the test result on Koh Samui was negative was that Baruch might have nearly recovered").

It's possible, of course, that all the other media reports, including the source article, have got it wrong.

 

 

 

[Stonker]

3 hours ago, AdvocatusDiaboli said:

Now there must be concern over the honesty of the testing procedures …. Is this to drum up Thai Medical business as tourists are lacking?  The Media really needs to highlight the accuracy of Thai testing …. with finding faint traces of nonexistent COVID.

As reported elsewhere, according to the Head of the Medical Sciences Department Dr. Supakit Sirilak the original sample that had tested positive for Covid and the Omicron variant was re-tested to check the original findings and the second test was also positive ("the same specimen was sent for a second analysis, which was positive for the Omicron variant, but in a small amount")

[Stonker]

3 hours ago, Easterneye said:

Exactly ,, there are allready stories of this corrupt place sending foreigners off to hospital ,, getting hospital bills of 400000 bht which is NOT covered by your travel or covid insurance , coupled with missed flights home , anyone going is playing Russian roulette whether or not the hotel manager is in cahoots with the local hospital.

All of which are apocryphal, unsupported, unverified "stories", not repeated or reported by any responsible media outlet.

Hospital bills for treatment for Covid have to be covered by mandatory medical insurance - it's a mandated requirement for entry.

If you test positive for Covid, regardless of whether you're quarantined in a hospital or a hotel in Thailand or allowed to quarantine at home elsewhere,  in any country, you won't be allowed to fly until you have a negative test so obviously there's a possibility of "missed flights home" anywhere until you have a negative test.

[Stonker]

3 hours ago, Graham said:

 ... and the fact hospitals can charge what they like and it has to come out your pocket, not covered by insurance. 

TIT.

Insurance for any hospital treatment as a result of a positive Covid test is mandatory for anyone visiting Thailand.

It's a mandated requirement for entry, and has been for a long time.

[Georgealexmate]

28 minutes ago, Stonker said:

As reported elsewhere, according to the Head of the Medical Sciences Department Dr. Supakit Sirilak the original sample that had tested positive for Covid and the Omicron variant was re-tested to check the original findings and the second test was also positive ("the same specimen was sent for a second analysis, which was positive for the Omicron variant, but in a small amount")

Very interesting fact after 6 days the test is negative might be something that can still help me to get into Thailand 

I tested yesterday positive for Omicron i have a Thai pass with date 30th December maybe i should test again 28th otherwise no chance to come to Thailand 

This is no joke... 

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

12 minutes ago, Georgealexmate said:

Very interesting fact after 6 days the test is negative might be something that can still help me to get into Thailand 

I tested yesterday positive for Omicron i have a Thai pass with date 30th December maybe i should test again 28th otherwise no chance to come to Thailand 

This is no joke... 

How do you know that you tested positive specifically for the Omicron variant? My understanding that this is a lagging determination after positive tests are sent for sequencing.

[Georgealexmate]

Just now, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

How do you know that you tested positive specifically for the Omicron variant? My understanding that this is a lagging determination after positive tests are sent for sequencing.

I live in Denmark there is high sequencing here i got a call from Statens serum institute the authority here to ask me about contract tracing things 

There is a high surge of Omicron here second in the world after UK now

Any idea what that means for Thai pass I'm really f***ed now i have to change the flight date if i still test positive 

My original Thai pass was based on 3 shots of Pfizer vaccine yes 3...

Now if i get a positive as usually an previous infected is Pcr positive several months i need to rely on the Recovery Certificate 

I do get a Recovery Certificate in day 11 after the positive test but after this quarantine do i go in another quarantine if I can't change date on Thai pass? 

[Georgealexmate]

14 minutes ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

How do you know that you tested positive specifically for the Omicron variant? My understanding that this is a lagging determination after positive tests are sent for sequencing.

The original test date was Tuesday yesterday positive today the call so took 48hr aprox btw

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

15 minutes ago, Georgealexmate said:

I live in Denmark there is high sequencing here i got a call from Statens serum institute the authority here to ask me about contract tracing things 

There is a high surge of Omicron here second in the world after UK now

Any idea what that means for Thai pass I'm really f***ed now i have to change the flight date if i still test positive 

My original Thai pass was based on 3 shots of Pfizer vaccine yes 3...

Now if i get a positive as usually an previous infected is Pcr positive several months i need to rely on the Recovery Certificate 

I do get a Recovery Certificate in day 11 after the positive test but after this quarantine do i go in another quarantine if I can't change date on Thai pass? 

Thanks for the insight. I had read that Denmark has excellent sequencing capability, which likely explains why so many diagnosed Omicron cases. If you are asymptomatic, you may want to consider testing again closer to your flight and hope for negative. If it were me, I would be evaluating if taking a trip to Thailand was needed right now. With all the daily changes, you may be allowed in....but you may not be able to get back home.

[Georgealexmate]

9 minutes ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

Thanks for the insight. I had read that Denmark has excellent sequencing capability, which likely explains why so many diagnosed Omicron cases. If you are asymptomatic, you may want to consider testing again closer to your flight and hope for negative. If it were me, I would be evaluating if taking a trip to Thailand was needed right now. With all the daily changes, you may be allowed in....but you may not be able to get back home.

Thanks i just want in, i plan a 3 months stay

I do the test the 28th and see 

I might also change to Phuket sandbox if the current Thai pass with flight in Bangkok is cancelled but i hope for now Omicron fades in 6 days

[Georgealexmate]

12 minutes ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

Thanks for the insight. I had read that Denmark has excellent sequencing capability, which likely explains why so many diagnosed Omicron cases. If you are asymptomatic, you may want to consider testing again closer to your flight and hope for negative. If it were me, I would be evaluating if taking a trip to Thailand was needed right now. With all the daily changes, you may be allowed in....but you may not be able to get back home.

I have some simptoms btw some runny nose no info on the Israeli so i think he might have been completely asimptomatic

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

10 minutes ago, Georgealexmate said:

I have some simptoms btw some runny nose no info on the Israeli so i think he might have been completely asimptomatic

The Israeli was most likely asymptomatic. Sounds like the Thai medical people are trying to explain away the initial positive test. Rather than admit to a false positive, they are pushing the "recovered" narrative. 

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

1 minute ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

The Israeli was most likely asymptomatic. Sounds like the Thai medical people are trying to explain away the initial positive test. Rather than admit to a false positive, they are pushing the "recovered" 

 

Edited December 23, 2021 by Lawyers_Guns_and_Money
Typo

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

17 minutes ago, Georgealexmate said:

Thanks i just want in, i plan a 3 months stay

I do the test the 28th and see 

I might also change to Phuket sandbox if the current Thai pass with flight in Bangkok is cancelled but i hope for now Omicron fades in 6 days

The Phuket Sandbox is probably your best option if you are staying that long. 

Good luck!

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, Georgealexmate said:

Very interesting fact after 6 days the test is negative might be something that can still help me to get into Thailand 

I tested yesterday positive for Omicron i have a Thai pass with date 30th December maybe i should test again 28th otherwise no chance to come to Thailand 

This is no joke... 

As Dr Supakit suggested, that was probably because his infection when first tested was on the way out.

Whether that might also apply to you is something only a specialist with full access to the test results would be able to tell you so there's absolutely no point anyone speculating here.

[Stonker]

13 minutes ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

The Israeli was most likely asymptomatic. Sounds like the Thai medical people are trying to explain away the initial positive test. Rather than admit to a false positive, they are pushing the "recovered" narrative. 

The initial sample was not only re-tested, again testing positive, but sequenced for Omicron as well.

The chance of both tests and both sequences being "false positives" is there, but it's minimal.

[Georgealexmate]

29 minutes ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

The Israeli was most likely asymptomatic. Sounds like the Thai medical people are trying to explain away the initial positive test. Rather than admit to a false positive, they are pushing the "recovered" narrative. 

I hope not then good bye negative after 6 days for me but yes unlikely he was positive from the beggining 

According to current studies once infected you are positive for months but..Not contagius that's why in EU you get the Recovery certificate (11 days after positive pcr) since you can't show a negative PCR anymore

Another twists is that from today EU pass is recognised in Thailand and vice versa so what doest that mean i don't know with regards to recovery since I'm in quarantine now it should be recognised in Thailand also 

Do you have any info on that? 

Makes no sense to make 2 quarantines also even in Phuket sandbox my pcr should be positive based on previous infection proven with Recovery certificate i will get and recognised now in Thailand 

Link for Thailand Eu deal 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/eu-now-accepts-thailand-covid-19-vaccination-certificates

 

 

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

6 minutes ago, Georgealexmate said:

I hope not then good bye negative after 6 days for me but yes unlikely he was positive from the beggining 

According to current studies once infected you are positive for months but..Not contagius that's why in EU you get the Recovery certificate (11 days after positive pcr) since you can't show a negative PCR anymore

Another twists is that from today EU pass is recognised in Thailand and vice versa so what doest that mean i don't know with regards to recovery since I'm in quarantine now it should be recognised in Thailand also 

Do you have any info on that? 

Makes no sense to make 2 quarantines also even in Phuket sandbox my pcr should be positive based on previous infection proven with Recovery certificate i will get and recognised now in Thailand 

Link for Thailand Eu deal 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/eu-now-accepts-thailand-covid-19-vaccination-certificates

I am in the United States and am not planning on going to Thailand until they drop the test on arrival. So I haven't been spending too much time looking at EU or recovery certificate criteria. Too many moving targets to keep an eye on.