News Forum - Cambodia PM orders to destroy, store US weapons following arms embargo ban

[longwood50]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

The point of the war in Vietnam was to stop communist expansionism

What are you smoking.  The point of all of these wars was to line the pockets of those who benefit from the sale of U.S. made weapons of war.  

In Vietnam, China has always bordered Vietnam.  The only thing accomplished was a Vietnam that is communist instead of one that "might" have turned communist. 

As for Iraq, it was bombed and people killed by the thousands.  There were supposedly "weapons of mass destruction"  Of course none were ever found.  Saddam was a lousy person.  If that is the litmus test for going to war, you better get ready since the world is filled with countries ruled by lousy people.  

As to Afghanistan, it was "supposedly a training ground"  Of course none of the terrorists who attacked the USA showed to be trained by or in Afghanistan.  9 were Saudi's but of course we can't attack Saudi Arabia for training or funneling money to terrorists. 

Now lets some up the results of decades of war, trillions of dollars, and thousands of casualties.  Vietnam to prevent the spread of communism, but it is now a communist country.  Iraq was to stop Saddam from "potentially" unleashing weapons of mass destruction and of course had we done nothing, it would have accomplished that since he did not possess any.  The country is in shambles and the warring factions that were shackled by the ruthless actions of Saddam Hussein no longer have him to fear so they are free to inflict even more pain on the people of Iraq. Finally, we have Afghanistan.  One thing for sure, is that if there was not hatred of the USA causing people to become terrorists and train in Afghanistan, there certainly is now.  The government that the USA spent trillions trying to impose failed repeatedly and now doesn't exist.  

The last war fought for the right reasons was WWII.  The remainder were just pretenses to allow the military to use its fancy weapons and for the arms manufacturers to become wealthy. 

Now mind you I am more conservative than Barry Goldwater ever was.  However, I have no delusions that the USA was doing any of these wars for noble purposes.  

None of the three countries Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq attacked the USA, or were of strategic importance to the USA.  If anything Iraq was better left alone so it could be a foe to Iran.  In Vietnam we pushed it to become even more dependent on Communist China.  And it Afghanistan, if it wasn't a training ground for terrorists before, it sure will be now. 

 

https://www.historynet.com/strategy-failure-americas-war-vietnam.htm

 

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-military-admits-afghan-war-a-strategic-failure-/6249806.html

 

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/noble-effort-gone-wrong-how-arabs-remember-america’s-iraq-war-192535

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, longwood50 said:

What are you smoking.  The point of all of these wars was to line the pockets of those who benefit from the sale of U.S. made weapons of war.  

In Vietnam, China has always bordered Vietnam.  The only thing accomplished was a Vietnam that is communist instead of one that "might" have turned communist. 

As for Iraq, it was bombed and people killed by the thousands.  There were supposedly "weapons of mass destruction"  Of course none were ever found.  Saddam was a lousy person.  If that is the litmus test for going to war, you better get ready since the world is filled with countries ruled by lousy people.  

As to Afghanistan, it was "supposedly a training ground"  Of course none of the terrorists who attacked the USA showed to be trained by or in Afghanistan.  9 were Saudi's but of course we can't attack Saudi Arabia for training or funneling money to terrorists. 

Now lets some up the results of decades of war, trillions of dollars, and thousands of casualties.  Vietnam to prevent the spread of communism, but it is now a communist country.  Iraq was to stop Saddam from "potentially" unleashing weapons of mass destruction and of course had we done nothing, it would have accomplished that since he did not possess any.  The country is in shambles and the warring factions that were shackled by the ruthless actions of Saddam Hussein no longer have him to fear so they are free to inflict even more pain on the people of Iraq. Finally, we have Afghanistan.  One thing for sure, is that if there was not hatred of the USA causing people to become terrorists and train in Afghanistan, there certainly is now.  The government that the USA spent trillions trying to impose failed repeatedly and now doesn't exist.  

The last war fought for the right reasons was WWII.  The remainder were just pretenses to allow the military to use its fancy weapons and for the arms manufacturers to become wealthy. 

Now mind you I am more conservative than Barry Goldwater ever was.  However, I have no delusions that the USA was doing any of these wars for noble purposes.  

None of the three countries Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq attacked the USA, or were of strategic importance to the USA.  If anything Iraq was better left alone so it could be a foe to Iran.  In Vietnam we pushed it to become even more dependent on Communist China.  And it Afghanistan, if it wasn't a training ground for terrorists before, it sure will be now. 

https://www.historynet.com/strategy-failure-americas-war-vietnam.htm

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-military-admits-afghan-war-a-strategic-failure-/6249806.html

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/noble-effort-gone-wrong-how-arabs-remember-america’s-iraq-war-192535

Thats a wall of text just to say "No. I cant think of any communist countries today apart from North Korea".

[Poolie]

Its a matter of how long people are going to put up with the Americans. This bullshine about China is just that. There's no 'gerocide' in Xinjiang, Hong Kong sleeps again and all is peaceful and prosperous. Cue American intervention. They might just bite off more than they can chew. 

[longwood50]

13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Thats a wall of text just to say "No. I cant think of any communist countries today apart from North Korea".

Three points.  

1. And without the Vietnam war, Communism would have spread throughout the continents.  How ludicrous.  Oh and PS.  We lost the war so if your theory was true, communism should have spread throughout all of South East Asia quickly. 


2.  The countries that declare themselves to be communist countries include; China, Russia, Vietnam, Laos, North Korea and Cuba. 

3. The following countries have communist parties that either control or are part of a coalition that control the government in that country. 

They include, Argentina, Bangladesh, Belarus, Nepal, Palestine, Peru, Serbia, Spain, South Africa, Sri Lanka, and Syria, 

Also the history is filled with countries that turned communist after 1975 when the Vietnam war ended so it certainly did not as your portray stop the spread of communism.  The reason for the lack of the spread of communism or its rejection is its ultimate failure as a form of government.  We would have been far more effective bombing Vietnam with McDonald franchises, Nike Outlets, Levi stores, and Coca Cola.  

Once countries taste the benefits of capitalism they reject communism.  Bombing them to smithereens creates enemies not allies.  Even today's communist states with the leading one of them being China are hardly communist countries.  They may be single party rule, but China created more billionaires in 2020 then the rest of the world combined.  That hardly is demonstrative of a communist country. 

I have been to China, and I can tell you their policies in most cases are more capitalistic than the USA and Europe.  They encourage you to start companies, they do not have a cradle to grave socialist system, and as an individual you take responsibility for obtaining your health care and retirement.  
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/chinas-billionaires-club-swells-as-market-rally-offsets-covid-19-pain

[CamPat]

Cambodia doesn't want second hand stuff. They want first grade new "Gashtunkene Rayguns" developed in Chicago in the 1964 period but never delivered further than the AFN Radio Stations around the world. This is the very , very dangerous weapon Cambodia can supply from it's own manufacturing at every rotten street corner:

 

[CamPat]

 

Cambodia Bans US Visits to Ream Naval Base After Sanctions

Prime Minister Hun Sen says the naval base is “not a place for thieves or robbers.”

source: https://thediplomat.com/2021/12/cambodia-bans-us-visits-to-ream-naval-base-after-sanctions/

 

[Rain]

2 hours ago, longwood50 said:

What are you smoking.  The point of all of these wars was to line the pockets of those who benefit from the sale of U.S. made weapons of war.  

In Vietnam, China has always bordered Vietnam.  The only thing accomplished was a Vietnam that is communist instead of one that "might" have turned communist. 

As for Iraq, it was bombed and people killed by the thousands.  There were supposedly "weapons of mass destruction"  Of course none were ever found.  Saddam was a lousy person.  If that is the litmus test for going to war, you better get ready since the world is filled with countries ruled by lousy people.  

As to Afghanistan, it was "supposedly a training ground"  Of course none of the terrorists who attacked the USA showed to be trained by or in Afghanistan.  9 were Saudi's but of course we can't attack Saudi Arabia for training or funneling money to terrorists. 

Now lets some up the results of decades of war, trillions of dollars, and thousands of casualties.  Vietnam to prevent the spread of communism, but it is now a communist country.  Iraq was to stop Saddam from "potentially" unleashing weapons of mass destruction and of course had we done nothing, it would have accomplished that since he did not possess any.  The country is in shambles and the warring factions that were shackled by the ruthless actions of Saddam Hussein no longer have him to fear so they are free to inflict even more pain on the people of Iraq. Finally, we have Afghanistan.  One thing for sure, is that if there was not hatred of the USA causing people to become terrorists and train in Afghanistan, there certainly is now.  The government that the USA spent trillions trying to impose failed repeatedly and now doesn't exist.  

The last war fought for the right reasons was WWII.  The remainder were just pretenses to allow the military to use its fancy weapons and for the arms manufacturers to become wealthy. 

Now mind you I am more conservative than Barry Goldwater ever was.  However, I have no delusions that the USA was doing any of these wars for noble purposes.  

None of the three countries Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq attacked the USA, or were of strategic importance to the USA.  If anything Iraq was better left alone so it could be a foe to Iran.  In Vietnam we pushed it to become even more dependent on Communist China.  And it Afghanistan, if it wasn't a training ground for terrorists before, it sure will be now. 

https://www.historynet.com/strategy-failure-americas-war-vietnam.htm

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-military-admits-afghan-war-a-strategic-failure-/6249806.html

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/noble-effort-gone-wrong-how-arabs-remember-america’s-iraq-war-192535

The ongoing empire expansion. Civilising missions.

Nothing more. Nothing less. 

 

[Rain]

2 hours ago, Poolie said:

Its a matter of how long people are going to put up with the Americans. This bullshine about China is just that. There's no 'gerocide' in Xinjiang, Hong Kong sleeps again and all is peaceful and prosperous. Cue American intervention. They might just bite off more than they can chew. 

The rise and great change over is upon us. 

The Yellow Peril and Confucianism will be looked upon as a beneficial change. 

Time is up for the barbaric and uncouth manner of Angloism/Americanism. 

[Stonker]

2 hours ago, longwood50 said:

The last war fought for the right reasons was WWII.  The remainder were just pretenses to allow the military to use its fancy weapons and for the arms manufacturers to become wealthy

Unusually, I don't disagree with the sentiments in your post (# 125305), particularly where Iraq and Afghanistan are concerned where I probably have rather more experience of them as war zones than you, but this is just complete nonsense.

There's no shortage of wars since 1945 that have been fought for the "right reasons", across the world from Eastern Europe to Africa, the Middle East and across Asia with the vast majority involving independence, self defence, internal security, or territorial integrity, plus a good few for the 'wrong reasons' to gain territory, for economic gain, for religious or tribal reasons, or purely for politics (often on both sides).

Very, very few though can be put down to "pretenses to allow the military to use its fancy weapons and for the arms manufacturers to become wealthy".

That's simply not remotely true and it doesn't stand up to even a quick glance at conflicts over the last seventy-five years.

 

[CamPat]

Just to get back on the Subject:

 

National

December 17, 2021

Cambodia never bought new weapons from America

 

Cambodia never bought new weapons from United States and the current ones are are old and left behind by the Lon Nol’s regime, said National Defence Minister General Tea Banh today.

He said those American weapons are old, dilapidated and unusable.

Following the orders of the Prime Minister, he added that he has directed the military unit to collect all the American weapons, inspect and check if they are usable or unusable and whether they need to be destroyed if they are old.

 

On December 10, Mr Hun Sen ordered all military armed units to collect all the American weapons and military equipment from the warehouse and check before deciding to destroy them.

The Prime Minister’s order came after the United States, through its Office of Industry and Security, unilaterally announced further sanctions on the Cambodian government by restricting the sale of arms and military equipment to Cambodia.

This weapon was also never exported from the US, except donated by air delivery cause no country wanted it.