The Chinese push on SEA?

[Sateeb]

So the new railway opened a section from Kunming to Vientiane yesterday and we await the first section into LOS, which is coming on slowly but surely. I don't trust the motive of the Chinese Govt at all on this Belt & Road policy. They're putting all these new infrastructures in all these countries around SEA, including old enemy, Vietnam. It's not only rail networks, but also roads, Casinos, and housing around the casinos, making new towns. In Myanma, they are building a Super-port to import or export oil and a refinery, on the Bay of Bengal. All these countries are going to be in so much debt they will become puppet states, and Chinese influence will be the order of the day...a force to be reckoned with. And will it go a step further? Are all these roads and rail links designed to carry Chinese troops into the heart of SEA., before these countries even have time to react? I remember Hitler doing the same, building Autobahns, building the economy, only for his new army to use them to move extremely quickly to foreign borders...

Edited December 3, 2021 by Sateeb

[Rookiescot]

25 minutes ago, Sateeb said:

So the new railway opened a section from Kunming to Vientiane yesterday and we await the first section into LOS, which is coming on slowly but surely. I don't trust the motive of the Chinese Govt at all on this Belt & Road policy. They're putting all these new infrastructures in all these countries around SEA, including old enemy, Vietnam. It's not only rail networks, but also roads, Casinos, and housing around the casinos, making new towns. In Myanma, they are building a Super-port to import or export oil and a refinery, on the Bay of Bengal. All these countries are going to be in so much debt they will become puppet states, and Chinese influence will be the order of the day...a force to be reckoned with. And will it go a step further? Are all these roads and rail links designed to carry Chinese troops into the heart of SEA., before these countries even have time to react? I remember Hitler doing the same, building Autobahns, building the economy, only for his new army to use them to move extremely quickly to foreign borders...

Your point about debt is perfectly valid. Many countries in SEA have borrowed heavily from China as indeed have many countries in Africa and South America.

These "loans" always come with a healthy brown envelope for the despots in charge of these places.

Servicing the debt is of course a different matter. These countries simply cannot afford it. So the Chinese government sends in a team to carpet bag whatever assets these countries have. Usually minerals or worse still, rainforests.

The road and rail links are there to simply move those assets back to China.

One drone taking out a bridge will close them for months and western forces have a lot of drones, cruise missiles and indeed good old fashioned ground attack aircraft.

Now they could be used for a troop build up prior to an invasion but intelligence will see that from a mile away. So they have a limited use as far as military applications go.

[Poolie]

I'm too young to remember Hitler. I'm only 65.

[Sateeb]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Your point about debt is perfectly valid. Many countries in SEA have borrowed heavily from China as indeed have many countries in Africa and South America.

These "loans" always come with a healthy brown envelope for the despots in charge of these places.

Servicing the debt is of course a different matter. These countries simply cannot afford it. So the Chinese government sends in a team to carpet bag whatever assets these countries have. Usually minerals or worse still, rainforests.

The road and rail links are there to simply move those assets back to China.

One drone taking out a bridge will close them for months and western forces have a lot of drones, cruise missiles and indeed good old fashioned ground attack aircraft.

Now they could be used for a troop build up prior to an invasion but intelligence will see that from a mile away. So they have a limited use as far as military applications go.

Do you think SEA countries have the kit to see a troop build up? Don't forget this infrastructure already exists in China. so the element of surprise is achievable from other areas of China, within reason. They can be at the border overnight. And one day to get to a Capitol city in 4 of it's neighbours. Or even half a day in some cases. The Western countries are able to spot the troop movement as you say, but will those SEA guys listen, after all China's now their friend. Will they even allow the US to come into their territories, after all, they don't have a very good record in Asia.

[Bifrost]

Most people in these countries dont know anything about the world outside their own bedroom and thing everytjing is good about China.   but it is a true DANGER together with Russia  a real threat-  its also on poor european countries where Chian buy infuence.  they have a plan and something bad are coming !

[RampantRabbit]

3 hours ago, Sateeb said:

I don't trust the motive of the Chinese Govt at all on this Belt & Road policy.

Youve  very goo d reason not to, they are a plague  of  locusts.

[gummy]

Excellent if it ever gets finished.  Perhaps Udon Thani/Nong Khai to Shanghai could become one of the great train rides of the world.

[Rain]

And yet, we still don't recognize the truer threat. 

Bigger picture scenario.

[Sateeb]

9 hours ago, gummy said:

Excellent if it ever gets finished.  Perhaps Udon Thani/Nong Khai to Shanghai could become one of the great train rides of the world.

If you love Trains and travel, maps and logistics, Yes, you'll love this. If you sit down and think about the motive behind all this you start to get weary...

[Sateeb]

17 hours ago, Bifrost said:

Most people in these countries dont know anything about the world outside their own bedroom and thing everytjing is good about China.   but it is a true DANGER together with Russia  a real threat-  its also on poor european countries where Chian buy infuence.  they have a plan and something bad are coming !

I agree with you totally. Even the Thai Govt don't know wtf is going on outside their offices, let alone their country!

[gummy]

2 minutes ago, Sateeb said:

If you love Trains and travel, maps and logistics, Yes, you'll love this. If you sit down and think about the motive behind all this you start to get weary...

You mean the motive force like Electric or diesel/electric ?  why should that one weary ?

[gummy]

Just now, Sateeb said:

I agree with you totally. Even the Thai Govt don't know wtf is going on outside their offices, let alone their country!

Don't be silly. they know far more what is going on in their offshore bank accounts then you think 

[Convert54]

There is this strange amusement factor in the interpretation of events.

China provides investment in a economically strategic location and it is perceived immediately as a precursor military threat.

The US makes  "pre emptive" military strikes justified on bogus "humanitarian" grounds  which most often precipitates a war that has and is killing the same  people it claims to be providing salvation to every  day but  generating multi $millions in taxpayer funded ordinance in the process while taking possession of territorial assets in assumed right to compensation!

 

The political divide has become so contaminated it is close irrelevance !

 

 

 

 

 

[KaptainRob]

Here's an interesting doco which puts things into perspective and I believe the whole Belt & Road project to be a master plan for security of food and commerce, not primarily for military use >

 

[Stardust]

On 12/3/2021 at 8:49 PM, Sateeb said:

So the new railway opened a section from Kunming to Vientiane yesterday and we await the first section into LOS, which is coming on slowly but surely. I don't trust the motive of the Chinese Govt at all on this Belt & Road policy. They're putting all these new infrastructures in all these countries around SEA, including old enemy, Vietnam. It's not only rail networks, but also roads, Casinos, and housing around the casinos, making new towns. In Myanma, they are building a Super-port to import or export oil and a refinery, on the Bay of Bengal. All these countries are going to be in so much debt they will become puppet states, and Chinese influence will be the order of the day...a force to be reckoned with. And will it go a step further? Are all these roads and rail links designed to carry Chinese troops into the heart of SEA., before these countries even have time to react? I remember Hitler doing the same, building Autobahns, building the economy, only for his new army to use them to move extremely quickly to foreign borders...

Speed train in Laos was a debt trap and noticed from the IMF because Lao could not pay the debts and China took over the resources and the state electricity company including the hydropower dams. They trick them into debts with infrastructure projects speedtrains, highways etc and know they cannot pay back the debts and take the resources of these countries and control them. IMF warned Laos that they will not be able to pay back these loans but it was too late. Also they buy politicians to advocate the ccp Chinas projects and agendas.

[Stardust]

On 12/4/2021 at 9:32 PM, Convert54 said:

There is this strange amusement factor in the interpretation of events.

China provides investment in a economically strategic location and it is perceived immediately as a precursor military threat.

The US makes  "pre emptive" military strikes justified on bogus "humanitarian" grounds  which most often precipitates a war that has and is killing the same  people it claims to be providing salvation to every  day but  generating multi $millions in taxpayer funded ordinance in the process while taking possession of territorial assets in assumed right to compensation!

The political divide has become so contaminated it is close irrelevance !

They forced Lao into debt for this speed railway and is not paid by China. Your source must be the politbyro Bejing. Why you not go to your beloved dictaors in Noryh Korea or China there are your fairy tales welcomed! 

[Poolie]

54 minutes ago, KaptainRob said:

Here's an interesting doco which puts things into perspective and I believe the whole Belt & Road project to be a master plan for security of food and commerce, not primarily for military use >

Good stuff. Not everyone is intent on blowing everyone to bits.

[Stardust]

On 12/4/2021 at 9:32 PM, Convert54 said:

There is this strange amusement factor in the interpretation of events.

China provides investment in a economically strategic location and it is perceived immediately as a precursor military threat.

The US makes  "pre emptive" military strikes justified on bogus "humanitarian" grounds  which most often precipitates a war that has and is killing the same  people it claims to be providing salvation to every  day but  generating multi $millions in taxpayer funded ordinance in the process while taking possession of territorial assets in assumed right to compensation!

The political divide has become so contaminated it is close irrelevance !

Sombody who support these gangsters of xi China shows really who is and sombody who suppirts concentration camps, organ harvesting, mass rape and genozide has anyway no ground to come with any morality statements again any other country!

[NCC1701A]

they are frickin' communist filth. 

 

[nobusinessofurs]

9 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Good stuff. Not everyone is intent on blowing everyone to bits.

The thai farmers think things are bad now just wait till China floods the markets with produce. You think it good stuff, Sir your not looking at the bigger picture. The rail has nothing to do with fun, you can bet if China is involved it's for their best interests

[Poolie]

52 minutes ago, nobusinessofurs said:

The thai farmers think things are bad now just wait till China floods the markets with produce. You think it good stuff, Sir your not looking at the bigger picture. The rail has nothing to do with fun, you can bet if China is involved it's for their best interests

The Chinese call it 'win-win.' The Thai Government doesn't have allow them to flood anything.

[Rain]

5 hours ago, Poolie said:

Good stuff. Not everyone is intent on blowing everyone to bits.

Indeed.....left for those predictable handful. Forced policies by way of militarism.

[Convert54]

5 hours ago, Stardust said:

Sombody who support these gangsters of xi China shows really who is and sombody who suppirts concentration camps, organ harvesting, mass rape and genozide has anyway no ground to come with any morality statements again any other country!

I believe you need step back and consider your absurd presumptive allegation that any comment and opinion contained in this topic or indeed any other that I have made is supportive of the CCP or the content of your allegation to which I am responding to here. Blind allegiance to the convictions of bias are often the reaction in context to personal failure and/or supportive indoctrination.

My position in terms of comment is to consider the more rational elements of a situation such as in the context of this topic. That being is China is not about to collapse but is definitely economically in the process of  being subdued as it absorbs the impact of debt defaults.

If you wish to involve expanded debate as to "moral" comparisons of nationalities that some would assume are righteous and virtuous in opposition by way of military threat, invasion, incursion,occupation etc on the grounds of more popular political expediency painted as humanitarian.........go ahead !

 

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[Stardust]

37 minutes ago, Convert54 said:

I believe you need step back and consider your absurd presumptive allegation that any comment and opinion contained in this topic or indeed any other that I have made is supportive of the CCP or the content of your allegation to which I am responding to here. Blind allegiance to the convictions of bias are often the reaction in context to personal failure and/or supportive indoctrination.

My position in terms of comment is to consider the more rational elements of a situation such as in the context of this topic. That being is China is not about to collapse but is definitely economically in the process of  being subdued as it absorbs the impact of debt defaults.

If you wish to involve expanded debate as to "moral" comparisons of nationalities that some would assume are righteous and virtuous in opposition by way of military threat, invasion, incursion,occupation etc on the grounds of more popular political expediency painted as humanitarian.........go ahead !

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I read your comment and it is very clearly and a clear advocating of CCP China. I have no doubt about it.