News Forum - Next CCSA meeting will discuss opening nightlife businesses sooner

[LoongFred]

17 hours ago, Soidog said:

I would think it’s inevitable there will be a relaxing of rules; not that they count for much. I would imagine they will fall back to mid to late December opening, as they believe that will attract a few hundred thousand people to arrive for New Year. Misguided to assume a lot of tourists will arrive and foolish to open busy bars and nightclubs early. 
 

Remove the Thailand pass. Introduce an ATK on arrival and keep a PCR before departure and people will come. Open outside bars and restaurants with 50%-75% seating only capacity and I think that would be a good balance of risk versus reward. 

I hope you are not betting on it or getting tremendous odds. 

[Jason]

Soidog hit the nail on the head! It's about the balance of risk. We're never going to be completely safe from the virus, anymore that we can leave our homes each day and not risk having some accident or calamity befall us. Control the controllable...balance the risk.

[Shark]

19 hours ago, Soidog said:

I would think it’s inevitable there will be a relaxing of rules; not that they count for much. I would imagine they will fall back to mid to late December opening, as they believe that will attract a few hundred thousand people to arrive for New Year. Misguided to assume a lot of tourists will arrive and foolish to open busy bars and nightclubs early. 
 

Remove the Thailand pass. Introduce an ATK on arrival and keep a PCR before departure and people will come. Open outside bars and restaurants with 50%-75% seating only capacity and I think that would be a good balance of risk versus reward. 

I agree + proof that your vaccinated at the bars/restaurants which shouldn't be a problem and live should be returning to semi-decent-standards.

[JohninDublin]

5 hours ago, Brownie said:

Once the real tourists start coming, they will find a new scam - doctored exit PCR tests to keep you in LOS for another 2 weeks.  Honestly, that is scaring me the most - not being able to go back home after 2-3 weeks

I don't see it as likely you will be detained in Covid prison here. If you are aware of the initial sandbox flight into Phuket, you will know that about a dozen close contacts of "patient zero", all but one of whom was part of the same travel group, were quarantined. However they sought and were granted permission to leave TH instead of serving their sentence in Quarantine Jail.

I do appreciate that the TH gov is far from trustworthy. The same can be said of most politicians. However, I don't see that a country that is currently dealing with 87k active cases, really needs to scam you as part of a "job creation scheme" by doctoring test results.

[Graham]

Ah the carrot is again being dangled, maybe they will look into it but then again maybe they won't, flip flop / flip flop, everyone knows the CCSA couldn't care less about the entertainment industry, they never have.

[Soidog]

3 hours ago, LoongFred said:

I hope you are not betting on it or getting tremendous odds. 

I wouldn’t bet on anything relating to the Thai Government. If they told me the sun rises in the East I wouldn’t bet on it! 

[Soidog]

3 hours ago, LoongFred said:

Of course this affects some associated with foreign tourism (single old males) disproportionately.

You love this game don’t you mate . So funny but also sad at the same time. I’m not being sarcastic when I say I genuinely feel sorry and pity you. Anyone  who wants to spend their time trying to make unhelpful and snide remarks in an attempt to upset others surely is a sad situation. Why don’t you set yourself a New Years resolution to get yourself out of the rut you are in and try to be a more productive member of this forum and society. You will find it a much more rewarding way to live. 
 

Take care. 

[steve860]

4 hours ago, LoongFred said:

My friends are mostly Thai professionals and are pretty unaffected by the current economic situations. They understand why there are covid restrictions and accept it. It's mostly the bars and associated entertainment industry that are affected. It greatly affects those afiliated with these. Of course this affects some associated with foreign tourism (single old males) disproportionately.

Professional escorts working on line.

Excellent .

[LoongFred]

40 minutes ago, steve860 said:

Professional escorts working on line.

Excellent .

No escorts. That's your angle to work.

[LoongFred]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

Soidog hit the nail on the head! It's about the balance of risk. We're never going to be completely safe from the virus, anymore that we can leave our homes each day and not risk having some accident or calamity befall us. Control the controllable...balance the risk.

I agree that's why the bars and entertainment places are closed and other places with less risk can open, but be careful and mask up.

[LoongFred]

1 hour ago, Soidog said:

You love this game don’t you mate . So funny but also sad at the same time. I’m not being sarcastic when I say I genuinely feel sorry and pity you. Anyone  who wants to spend their time trying to make unhelpful and snide remarks in an attempt to upset others surely is a sad situation. Why don’t you set yourself a New Years resolution to get yourself out of the rut you are in and try to be a more productive member of this forum and society. You will find it a much more rewarding way to live. 
 

Take care. 

Sorry you sound bitter. But does Thailand really need overweight men sitting in bars to thrive. You have a single focus on the sleaze and not what's helpful to all. 

The sleaze may return but hopefully not as great as before so that ordinary people aren't afraid to go to the seashore.

The merchants of sleaze will disagree, but it's not the direction Thailand is headed, IMO. 

[Jason]

I agree Loongfred. It's not a time to be anything but cautious.

[KenRay]

I think most would agree that the drunken, ignorant foreigners are not missed.  It was becoming increasing difficult to go out with a lady friend and have a good time.  Drunks everywhere, spilling drinks...yelling like uncontrollable animals just let out of a cage.  In other words, they did themselves no favors as lots of Thais are tired of it.  And would like to see a more family friendly type tourist area where walking street and the beach road is concerned.

[Soidog]

1 hour ago, LoongFred said:

Sorry you sound bitter. But does Thailand really need overweight men sitting in bars to thrive. You have a single focus on the sleaze and not what's helpful to all. 

The sleaze may return but hopefully not as great as before so that ordinary people aren't afraid to go to the seashore.

The merchants of sleaze will disagree, but it's not the direction Thailand is headed, IMO. 

. So childish and sad. You carry on old man if it makes you feel better. 

[mickkotlarski]

12 hours ago, HiuMak said:

Beauty of thailand lies in the night

Definitely a big draw card.

[LoongFred]

11 hours ago, Soidog said:

. So childish and sad. You carry on old man if it makes you feel better. 

The debate here is about should Thailand cater to the sexpats of yor and should it focus on family acceptable tourism. If the saxpats want to go to some desolate place, I'd say up to them. But, when they transform relatively nicer places ,I say forget them.

The truth is that the sexpat scene has been on a deteriating slope for some time and often included drugs and gangs. It was dying before covid and now basically dead. Sorry for those guys who were so involved or were trying to make a profit from it, but it time  to move on.

[Jarret]

I'm in Patong, no one cares about covid here. Thailand is forcing everyone to party before 11 pm. This is over crowding the bars. Since it's the only city open, everyone is coming here. They need to open the country and get the locals employed again.  So many business are closed and so many locals are unemployed.

[Jambers]

17 hours ago, LoongFred said:

Sorry you sound bitter. But does Thailand really need overweight men sitting in bars to thrive. You have a single focus on the sleaze and not what's helpful to all. 

The sleaze may return but hopefully not as great as before so that ordinary people aren't afraid to go to the seashore.

The merchants of sleaze will disagree, but it's not the direction Thailand is headed, IMO. 

Sleaze was around way before tourists, and is still thriving with few tourists around. The ‘beer bar scene’ is only a small part of the industry . And foreigners play a minor role.

[Jambers]

16 hours ago, KenRay said:

I think most would agree that the drunken, ignorant foreigners are not missed.  It was becoming increasing difficult to go out with a lady friend and have a good time.  Drunks everywhere, spilling drinks...yelling like uncontrollable animals just let out of a cage.  In other words, they did themselves no favors as lots of Thais are tired of it.  And would like to see a more family friendly type tourist area where walking street and the beach road is concerned.

And you don’t see the locals drunk and spilling their drinks? There are tonnes of bistros bars you can go with few foreigners around. You could take your lady friend to a different establishment each night of the week where locals out number foreigners. You will have to get off your high horse first tho.

[JackIsAGoodBoy]

4 hours ago, LoongFred said:

The truth is that the sexpat scene has been on a deteriating slope for some time and often included drugs and gangs. It was dying before covid and now basically dead. Sorry for those guys who were so involved or were trying to make a profit from it, but it time  to move on.

Plenty of Thais use these services and plenty of Thais also get mad drunk. They just do it at home or some nearby Thai only bar. DUI is a much bigger problem than in any western countries or even most eastern countries. You just live in your nice bubble and visit only restaurants and bars for foreigners or maybe some Thai market square at best during day time.

Edited November 22, 2021 by JackIsAGoodBoy

[Soidog]

7 hours ago, LoongFred said:

The debate here is about should Thailand cater to the sexpats of yor and should it focus on family acceptable tourism

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Next CCSA meeting will discuss opening nightlife businesses sooner

Seems all that self gratification is upsetting your eyesight as well. 

[LoongFred]

6 minutes ago, Soidog said:

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Next CCSA meeting will discuss opening nightlife businesses sooner

Seems all that self gratification is upsetting your eyesight as well. 

Not really. We have to see the results. 

[Soidog]

34 minutes ago, LoongFred said:

Not really. We have to see the results. 

Ok!

[Alavan]

On 11/21/2021 at 6:50 AM, Manu said:

Have you been to Walking street in Patong lately? I was there in October, a friend of mine in September so at least for 2 months now, it is party (almost) as usual there. Bars open, beer drinkers, live music, etc... I have not heard of any cluster coming from there...??

In France, with their 75% fully vaccinated, you need a Pass or PCR test to go to bars, restaurants, clubs but also pratically for everything else like cinemas, theatres, supermarkets etc... and even to take a train. From 15 December, everyone over 65 that did not get their 3rd dose will loose their pass so basically their right to do anything. But like everywhere else in Europe, it is also kicking off in France with currently over 20 000 new cases daily and a death rate roughly the same as in Thailand for a population roughly the same as Thailand. One cannot even blame the non-vaccinated this time since they are not allowed to go anywhere...

These two examples contredict your statement.

You should check who is in IC, not who is infected. With the delta variant everybody can catch infection faster.

The doctor, head of an university hospital in my country in Europe, stated: 50% of covid cases in IC are not vaccinated, 50 % is vaccinated.

90% of the population in the region is vaccinated, 10% not.

That means 10% of the population counts for half the covid patients in IC, while the vaccinated patients have immunology problems. 
For me personally, that means that vaccinations work.

[JohninDublin]

22 hours ago, LoongFred said:

Sorry you sound bitter. But does Thailand really need overweight men sitting in bars to thrive. You have a single focus on the sleaze and not what's helpful to all. 

The sleaze may return but hopefully not as great as before so that ordinary people aren't afraid to go to the seashore.

The merchants of sleaze will disagree, but it's not the direction Thailand is headed, IMO. 

I've never witnessed anyone being afraid to go to the seashore. 

The closest I've ever coming to being aware of anything like that, is reading hotel reviews from people who brought their family and booked a hotel in places like Soi 7/8 or Bukahow. and were outraged to find there were sex-tourists staying in their hotel. I'd put that down to lack of due diligence on their part. 

Something else I noticed in these reviews is that these are usually the same people who complain about the unfriendly attitude of the recep staff. I estimate that I've done well over 50 check-ins in various hotels in various places in TH, and never experienced this. I have a theory that due to both their lack of due diligence, and self awareness, they don't even consider that the recep staff have plenty of experience of body language. Mr and Mrs Malcontent and family have been travelling for the best part of 24 hrs and they are tired and grumpy. The recep staff have seen the signs many times, and they know they are about to get a hard time from these people, and quite frankly, they don't think they are being paid enough to put up with this crap.