Thaiger Posted November 3, 2021 #97333 Share Posted November 3, 2021 An employee of the company accused of exporting millions of used medical gloves to buyers in the US has been sentenced to four years in prison. A recent investigation by CNN reported that the Thai-based Paddy the Room Trading Company sold and exported millions of dirty, used medical gloves, some with bloodstains, to American companies looking to cash in on the increased demand for personal protection equipment during the pandemic. The employee, Pipatphon Homjanya, confessed to exporting second-hand nitrile medical gloves and the Central Intellectual Property and International Trade Court sentenced him to four years in prison, according to Nation […] The story Thai court hands 4-year prison sentence man for selling used medical gloves as seen on Thaiger News. Read the full story Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sivada Posted November 3, 2021 #97360 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Major companies such as Kimberly Clark source their glove products from Asia, and these gloves probably are/were used in western hospitals. As a physician that performs clean and sterile procedures regularly, I think the 4 year sentence is silly. I can’t even imagine the number of sepsis and possible deaths of patients these gloves the providers believed to be clean may have caused. Sad! 1 Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywillyjones Posted November 3, 2021 #97370 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) Fall guy? No evidence against the CEO give me a break lol. Amazing Thailand. Edited November 3, 2021 by billywillyjones 4 Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc-Thai Posted November 3, 2021 #97558 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Hmm where have I seen something like this before https://globalnews.ca/news/7358761/used-condoms-vietnam-recycled/ Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob20 Posted November 3, 2021 #97574 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Dr.Sivada said: Major companies such as Kimberly Clark source their glove products from Asia, and these gloves probably are/were used in western hospitals. As a physician that performs clean and sterile procedures regularly, I think the 4 year sentence is silly. I can’t even imagine the number of sepsis and possible deaths of patients these gloves the providers believed to be clean may have caused. Sad! These were non-sterile nitrile examination gloves, for non-invasive procedures. No less appalling though. Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonker Posted November 3, 2021 #97577 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Dr.Sivada said: I can’t even imagine the number of sepsis and possible deaths of patients these gloves the providers believed to be clean may have caused. Sad! Probably none. If you want clean, quality PPE you buy from a reputable company like Kimberly-Clark and get what you pay for. If you want to be part of a rip-off you buy from a company like Paddy the Room - and get what you pay for. 1 Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sivada Posted November 3, 2021 #97636 Share Posted November 3, 2021 52 minutes ago, Stonker said: Probably none. If you want clean, quality PPE you buy from a reputable company like Kimberly-Clark and get what you pay for. If you want to be part of a rip-off you buy from a company like Paddy the Room - and get what you pay for. That’s not what I mean. If you look at these medical products on the market carefully, Kimberly Clark and BDX etc don’t make all of their products themselves. They source from China, Vietnam, Thailand, and Malaysia, in particular for their glove productions. You never know if Paddy is one of their upstream suppliers. Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sivada Posted November 3, 2021 #97639 Share Posted November 3, 2021 56 minutes ago, Bob20 said: These were non-sterile nitrile examination gloves, for non-invasive procedures. No less appalling though. We call that clean procedures. Arterial and non central venous line placements are two types of clean procedures that can introduce serious sepsis with dirty gloves easily, and in the US we use such non-sterile gloves for that. It is extremely appalling. Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonker Posted November 3, 2021 #97648 Share Posted November 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Dr.Sivada said: That’s not what I mean. I didn't think or suggest it was. If you want to buy a Rolex to sell on, you don't by-pass the known reputable distributors and go to someone you know nothing about on Khaosan Road and pay them in advance unless you think you'll be able to get away with it. 1 Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob20 Posted November 3, 2021 #97650 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr.Sivada said: We call that clean procedures. Arterial and non central venous line placements are two types of clean procedures that can introduce serious sepsis with dirty gloves easily, and in the US we use such non-sterile gloves for that. It is extremely appalling. Well, in Europe we call them examination gloves for non-invasive procedures. Not very likely to create huge problems as they aren't sterile to begin with and are often (wrongly) not even changed between patients like at the vaccination drives and blood donations. Besides, whether the gloves are sterile or non-sterile, it's bad practise to touch any working surface of instrument or needle that you handle. But, as I said, no less appalling. 1 Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonker Posted November 3, 2021 #97657 Share Posted November 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, Dr.Sivada said: ... in the US we use such non-sterile gloves for that. It is extremely appalling. THAT is "extremely appalling"!!! Sterile gloves rather than "clean" should always be used for arterial and venous line placement, except in exceptional circumstances. If a hospital doesn't observe that, there's something badly wrong. Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonker Posted November 3, 2021 #97662 Share Posted November 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, Bob20 said: Well, in Europe we call them examination gloves for non-invasive procedures. Not very likely to create huge problems as they aren't sterile to begin with and are often (wrongly) not even changed between patients like at the vaccination drives and blood donations. Besides, whether the gloves are sterile or non-sterile, it's bad practise to touch any working surface of instrument or needle that you handle. But, as I said, no less appalling. 100% correct, @Bob20, but not just in Europe. Venous and arterial line placements are sterile procedures, or at least should be. Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-97662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted November 5, 2021 #98779 Share Posted November 5, 2021 "The charges against Luk-Fei were dropped due to lack of evidence, according to Nation Thailand." i.e. the Director of the company had far better connections than the hapless employee. Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-98779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummy Posted November 5, 2021 #98781 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Leo said: "The charges against Luk-Fei were dropped due to lack of evidence, according to Nation Thailand." i.e. the Director of the company had far better connections than the hapless employee. Or the CEO is looking after the employee and family as a thanks for taking the blame Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-98781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoongFred Posted November 5, 2021 #98852 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 9:37 PM, Dr.Sivada said: We call that clean procedures. Arterial and non central venous line placements are two types of clean procedures that can introduce serious sepsis with dirty gloves easily, and in the US we use such non-sterile gloves for that. It is extremely appalling. Non serial gloves are used th protect the person wearing them from harmful products like blood and/or body fluids They are not ment for sterile procedures. Serial gloves are packaged differently. Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-98852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoongFred Posted November 5, 2021 #98855 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, LoongFred said: Non serial gloves are used th protect the person wearing them from harmful products like blood and/or body fluids They are not ment for sterile procedures. Serial gloves are packaged differently. Please review your facility sterile procedures. Surgical procedures require sterile gloves, etc. Link to comment https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/7625-news-forum-thai-court-hands-4-year-prison-sentence-man-for-selling-used-medical-gloves/#findComment-98855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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