News Forum - Over 98% of new Covid-19 cases in Thailand are Delta variant

[Thaiger]

Expert predictions about the Delta variant of Covid-19 becoming the dominant strain in Thailand by August came true several months ago, but testing shows that the Delta variant is now responsible for 98.6% of all new infections in Thailand. This data from the Department of Medical Science comes as the Delta Plus strain has been found in Thailand and may be up to 15% more transmissible. Testing in the week of October 16 to 22 found that nearly 99% of infections were of the Delta variant. Just 0.8% of new infections were the Beta variant, and 0.6% were the Alpha […]

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[Jason]

Yep....predicted that one! It's a bit like saying 100% of people will die...death is the biggest killer....

[Randalltexcobb]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Yep....predicted that one! It's a bit like saying 100% of people will die...death is the biggest killer....

20 mil plus dead not sure they would see the joke 

[Wormwood]

Let’s put this simply. Virus is discovered. All viruses have various strands (many variants) It spreads rapidly. The world seeks a vaccine to stop the virus. A narrow spectrum vaccine is developed that counters a specific variant (with limited effectiveness on other variants). Vaccine is effective at stopping original variant but since the mRNA coding is narrow it created pressure on sub variants to mutate in order to get around the vaccine protection. Thus creating and endless need for updated vaccine to keep up with mutations. Thus making tons of money for pharmaceutical companies.

[Bob20]

23 minutes ago, Wormwood said:

Let’s put this simply. Virus is discovered. All viruses have various strands (many variants) It spreads rapidly. The world seeks a vaccine to stop the virus. A narrow spectrum vaccine is developed that counters a specific variant (with limited effectiveness on other variants). Vaccine is effective at stopping original variant but since the mRNA coding is narrow it created pressure on sub variants to mutate in order to get around the vaccine protection. Thus creating and endless need for updated vaccine to keep up with mutations. Thus making tons of money for pharmaceutical companies.

Vaccines don't put pressure on a virus to mutate. A virus isn't alive and doesn't take any action. Only when it gets into living cells, it can replicate. That's all it can do, and in the process it damages the hosts' living cells which creates health problems.

So we must vaccinate in order that our systems can recognise the virus and stop it from replicating a.s.a.p.

Vaccination isn't what causes mutations.

Unbridled replication in unvaccinated people is what mostly causes mutations, as errors in copying occur at high levels of replication. Most of those mutations will be less viable, but a few will be more damaging. They may then become dominant and create a new problem.

I thought everyone had understood the basics by now...

[Wormwood]

Sorry, do a simple google search. Although atypical, viruses are in fact alive at least in some ways. As was stated in a 2008 article by Scientific America. 
Furthermore, you misunderstood the point. There are many variants of the virus. Once one variant is controlled a sub variant rises in prominence. That’s it!

The claim that the unvaccinated are the cause of mutation is wrong. It might be true if the vaccine was 100% effective, but it’s not. Since high numbers of vaccinated people are still getting Covid than it is not just an unvaccinated issue. With the vaccine a person can still contract the virus. In these cases it will provide pressure for one or more elements of the virus to change. That is a simple deduction of the situation. I thought most people could at least think that far. 
Again, a vaccines that is 100% effective will not allow the same results. But if a vaccinated individual can get Covid then the result is more variants.

I never suggested in my post that a vaccine is bad. Some of what you said about virus replication was correct, just not all of it.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Wormwood
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[semrand753]

1 hour ago, Wormwood said:

Let’s put this simply. Virus is discovered. All viruses have various strands (many variants) It spreads rapidly. The world seeks a vaccine to stop the virus. A narrow spectrum vaccine is developed that counters a specific variant (with limited effectiveness on other variants). Vaccine is effective at stopping original variant but since the mRNA coding is narrow it created pressure on sub variants to mutate in order to get around the vaccine protection. Thus creating and endless need for updated vaccine to keep up with mutations. Thus making tons of money for pharmaceutical companies.

 

First and foremost, *all* C19 vaccines are narrow-band as they all target the same protein (the "spike"). mRNA-vaccines are neither worse nor better when it comes to narrow-bandedness, so why did you pick on mRNA?

BTW: the mRNA-technique does have the advantage of requiring the least manufactural complexity (e.g. no detours via adenoviral DNA, no pre/post-fusion problems and less risk of contamination). That translates into purity and quality/effectiveness.

Secondly, being narrow-band (for all types of vaccines) is something to strive for, not complain about. To illustrate: decapitation is a very effective prophylactic (but it's too broad-band).

Last and least: vaccines don't cause virions to feel pressured into mutation in order to survive. That's just the theme of stories that we were taught as kids in order to make sense of something in terms we were able to understand at that time.

Edited October 27, 2021 by semrand753