Brit accused of killing bar girl in 2014 approved for extradition

[Thaiger]

In 2014, a British man is alleged to have arrived in Thailand, killed and dismembered a woman 2 days later, and fled to Spain. This week, the European Court of Human Rights approved the man’s extradition to Thailand to be prosecuted for the horrific murder. The man is accused of murdering a Thai prostitute in Kanchanaburi and dumping her body in a river before fleeing to Ibiza. The ECHR decision upholds the ruling of the Spanish High Court that Shane Kenneth Looker, the alleged murderer, should be sent back to Thailand to face charges. Looker is 47 years old and […]

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[BDawg467]

Typical Thai justice.  The manage to find this guy and get him extradited back to Thailand, which I fully agree with.  But they have done nothing about the Red Bull guy who ran down a cop and killed him!!!  If they can find a guy who kills a girl, why can't they find the guy who kills a cop.  Guessing money changing hands is keeping that guy safe.

[TobyAndrews]

He is going to be as welcome as a black at a Klan party in a Thai prison.

He will wish they had given him the death penalty.

[Blogosopher]

The term murder or murderer should only be used after a court has adjudicated a person and found them guilty of the crime of murder. It is a term that only a court can properly bestow upon someone. Until then, the person should be referred to as a killer or alleged killer. With that being said, if this case is true, just how does anyone become so evil as to do this kind of thing to another person. It is beyond comprehension of a normal person.

[Convert54]

6 minutes ago, Blogosopher said:

The term murder or murderer should only be used after a court has adjudicated a person and found them guilty of the crime of murder. It is a term that only a court can properly bestow upon someone. Until then, the person should be referred to as a killer or alleged killer. With that being said, if this case is true, just how does anyone become so evil as to do this kind of thing to another person. It is beyond comprehension of a normal person.

Purely in reference to your last sentence if the depravity of all acts by the human species were made fully public and comprehended I doubt societies would dare to function as they do.

That relatively few become sensationalized and eventually resolved in satisfaction of general expectations provides the myth of justice being served and therefore a sense of security.

[Griff1315]

On 7/16/2021 at 11:07 AM, TobyAndrews said:

He is going to be as welcome as a black at a Klan party in a Thai prison.

He will wish they had given him the death penalty.

Thai prisons are pretty much a death sentence. Just a slow one, unless you catch covid then it might speed it up.

[Benroon]

100 to a cell, no aircon, one open toilet !

I would choose execution if it was an option

[HiuMak]

On 7/16/2021 at 12:07 PM, TobyAndrews said:

He is going to be as welcome as a black at a Klan party in a Thai prison.

He will wish they had given him the death penalty.

That's for misbehaving in a foreign country.  

[Jannot]

Getting a fair trial could be problematic after 7 years. I am not saying he didn't do it but reading the above story it does say he arrived last day October and yes allegedly killed and dismembered her two days later before dumping her body in river.  HOWEVER at least twice it says he "FLED" to Spain, FLED implies urgency and panic, so why did he wait till 27th to fly away,,, hardly Fled,, looks very much like 30day  tourist visa.. Much needs clarification,,, was it his suitcase the body was put in, when was body recovered and where, what did he do for the 3+ weeks after murder, how was she killed, a thousand questions,, didn't want to return,, Hmm even innocent I might be same given police reputation. The press clearly imply he is guilty.. There by the grace of God eh!!!!! 

[HolyCowCm]

Article quote: Thai police reports state that he arrived in Bangkok on Halloween night, October 31 in 2014 before travelling to Kanchanaburi. There, on only his second night in Thailand, in the early hours of November 2nd, he killed a 27 year old woman in her own room. She was reportedly working as a prostitute.

Ya know, every time I read the word prostitute in a Thailand article or post, it just does not settle with me as being the best word of choice. Bar girl is ok. Prostitute has a down and dirty stigma to it and that may be correct for EU and Western and other type of gals, but for here it it just doesn't fit in my opinion. I never think of them as down and dirty and disgusting. Just fun hopefully happy gals making a living looking for mister right or a means to take care of them and their family. 

 

[Fluke]

7 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Article quote: Thai police reports state that he arrived in Bangkok on Halloween night, October 31 in 2014 before travelling to Kanchanaburi. There, on only his second night in Thailand, in the early hours of November 2nd, he killed a 27 year old woman in her own room. She was reportedly working as a prostitute.

Ya know, every time I read the word prostitute in a Thailand article or post, it just does not settle with me as being the best word of choice. Bar girl is ok. Prostitute has a down and dirty stigma to it and that may be correct for EU and Western and other type of gals, but for here it it just doesn't fit in my opinion. I never think of them as down and dirty and disgusting. Just fun hopefully happy gals making a living looking for mister right or a means to take care of them and their family. 

Maybe thats what caused the problem, maybe he thought that she was just a fun happy girl who found him to be irresistible and he got annoyed the next moring when she insisted on payment .

   The fun happy girl can soon have a change of personality if a customer refuses to pay and thats when the sharp objects come out the handbag  

[gummy]

6 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Maybe thats what caused the problem, maybe he thought that she was just a fun happy girl who found him to be irresistible and he got annoyed the next moring when she insisted on payment .

   The fun happy girl can soon have a change of personality if a customer refuses to pay and thats when the sharp objects come out the handbag  

Or maybe he was setup by the RTP ?

[HolyCowCm]

3 minutes ago, Transam said:

I thought prostitutes in farangland were incredibly clean and tested, and are not referred to as bar girls .....

I did not write they are referred to bar girls in like the EU or US etc. But prostitutes you could also now probably call them escorts. Clean and tested? Depends which ones I would gather. Prostitute to me always garners the thought of street walker or say someone in like a window in Amsterdam or something like that. In and out gals. The one in the article was a companion

 

[Fluke]

5 minutes ago, gummy said:

Or maybe he was setup by the RTP ?

Quite possibly not , he seems the most likely suspect and he is going to Court because of the evidence against him 

[HolyCowCm]

13 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Maybe thats what caused the problem, maybe he thought that she was just a fun happy girl who found him to be irresistible and he got annoyed the next moring when she insisted on payment .

   The fun happy girl can soon have a change of personality if a customer refuses to pay and thats when the sharp objects come out the handbag  

I think this guy had a psychotic screw or two loose. Probably has done it many times before.

[Arni]

If he had escaped right after the alleged murder then that would have been very suspicious. I presume there is dna evidence that was given to the Spanish authorities, which matches that of the alleged killer.

[JohninDublin]

On 9/28/2021 at 6:24 AM, Fluke said:

Quite possibly not , he seems the most likely suspect and he is going to Court because of the evidence against him 

I am not sure about Spain, but regarding the UK, the threshold is "prima facie"  which translates as "first impression". The evidence is put before a judge, and he decides if there is "a case to answer". If they rule "yes", then he is tried in the applicable country.

In Ireland, there has been a long-running case regarding an Englishman who allegedly murder the wife of a French Film Producer. France, like many countries, claims jurisdiction to try the alleged murderer of any of their citizens. When the Irish Police failed to prosecute the suspect, the French took matters into their own hands, eventually trying him "in absentia" and convicting him. This then allowed them to apply for European Arrest Warrant. The Irish High Court rejected the warrant on grounds that parts of the evidence used against him in the French Courts was hearsay. The suspect is alleged to have confessed to a schoolboy. However as the boy could not get time off from school to give evidence, his mother gave evidence to the effect that "My son told me that the murderer confessed to him". 

So even though it is not a very high bar to get someone extradited, it still has to comply with local laws of evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Sophie_Toscan_du_Plantier if anyone is interested in the Irish case.

[Soidog]

30 minutes ago, JohninDubin said:

I am not sure about Spain, but regarding the UK, the threshold is "prima facie"  which translates as "first impression". The evidence is put before a judge, and he decides if there is "a case to answer". If they rule "yes", then he is tried in the applicable country.

In Ireland, there has been a long-running case regarding an Englishman who allegedly murder the wife of a French Film Producer. France, like many countries, claims jurisdiction to try the alleged murderer of any of their citizens. When the Irish Police failed to prosecute the suspect, the French took matters into their own hands, eventually trying him "in absentia" and convicting him. This then allowed them to apply for European Arrest Warrant. The Irish High Court rejected the warrant on grounds that parts of the evidence used against him in the French Courts was hearsay. The suspect is alleged to have confessed to a schoolboy. However as the boy could not get time off from school to give evidence, his mother gave evidence to the effect that "My son told me that the murderer confessed to him". 

So even though it is not a very high bar to get someone extradited, it still has to comply with local laws of evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Sophie_Toscan_du_Plantier if anyone is interested in the Irish case.

Yes I watched a couple of interesting documentaries on that case in Ireland John. The “prime suspect” in the case is a real odd ball character, but that alone doesn’t make him a killer. I personally feel the Irish government have handled the case well. 
 

I find it absolutely amazing that the U.K. government would extradite one of its nationals to a country like Thailand for trial. Thailand simply does not have a good reputation for preserving evidence or the crime scene. You only have to look at they way they handled the Koh Tao murders and the way they have gone about the “Boss” case. I don’t know if this guy is guilty and know nothing about the case. That doesn’t change the fact that in my opinion the U.K. should not be extraditing a U.K. National to a country like Thailand. Try him in the U.K. with evidence supplied by the Thai authorities to ensure that evidence meets the U.K. standards.   

[JohninDublin]

8 minutes ago, Soidog said:

Yes I watched a couple of interesting documentaries on that case in Ireland John. The “prime suspect” in the case is a real odd ball character, but that alone doesn’t make him a killer. I personally feel the Irish government have handled the case well. 
 

I find it absolutely amazing that the U.K. government would extradite one of its nationals to a country like Thailand for trial. Thailand simply does not have a good reputation for preserving evidence or the crime scene. You only have to look at they way they handled the Koh Tao murders and the way they have gone about the “Boss” case. I don’t know if this guy is guilty and know nothing about the case. That doesn’t change the fact that in my opinion the U.K. should not be extraditing a U.K. National to a country like Thailand. Try him in the U.K. with evidence supplied by the Thai authorities to ensure that evidence meets the U.K. standards.   

It's good to see that I don't have to write too much about the Irish case by way of explanation. But as you are familiar, my take on it is that I think he is innocent, and that he fell victim to the investigators tunnel vision. The Irish DPP, refused to prosecute on grounds of insufficient evidence in spite of a whispering campaign by the Police designed to manipulate the media. Certainly, he does come across as an oddball.

Regarding this particular case of extradition, he is actually being surrendered by the Spanish Authorities. As far as I can tell, following the murder, he went on to Spain and I don't think he has set foot in the UK since.

I am not really familiar with this case, but it does strike me as odd, that he commits the murder, but remains in TH for the duration of his visa.

Regarding the UK extraditing one it's nationals to TH, it has happened before. https://aseannow.com/topic/636267-confessed-killer-lee-aldhouse-gives-his-first-interview-from-phuket-prison/

[Soidog]

2 hours ago, JohninDubin said:

It's good to see that I don't have to write too much about the Irish case by way of explanation. But as you are familiar, my take on it is that I think he is innocent, and that he fell victim to the investigators tunnel vision. The Irish DPP, refused to prosecute on grounds of insufficient evidence in spite of a whispering campaign by the Police designed to manipulate the media. Certainly, he does come across as an oddball.

Regarding this particular case of extradition, he is actually being surrendered by the Spanish Authorities. As far as I can tell, following the murder, he went on to Spain and I don't think he has set foot in the UK since.

I am not really familiar with this case, but it does strike me as odd, that he commits the murder, but remains in TH for the duration of his visa.

Regarding the UK extraditing one it's nationals to TH, it has happened before. https://aseannow.com/topic/636267-confessed-killer-lee-aldhouse-gives-his-first-interview-from-phuket-prison/

I think the Alhouse case may be different in that he is a confessed killer. I’m not sure if he confessed that in the U.K. on his arrest or later after returning to Thailand. If it was while in the U.K. then I think it’s reasonable for him to face sentencing in Thailand and serve his time there. 
 

I didn’t follow this case, though the fact that he was a boxer with a name like Pitbull speaks volumes. I’m afraid I don’t see boxing, Muay Thai or almost any other “martial art” as a “Sport”. Cage fighting is nothing more than a street fight in a cage and utterly vile in my opinion. But that’s another topic !…

[JohninDublin]

1 hour ago, Soidog said:

I think the Alhouse case may be different in that he is a confessed killer. I’m not sure if he confessed that in the U.K. on his arrest or later after returning to Thailand. If it was while in the U.K. then I think it’s reasonable for him to face sentencing in Thailand and serve his time there. 
 

I didn’t follow this case, though the fact that he was a boxer with a name like Pitbull speaks volumes. I’m afraid I don’t see boxing, Muay Thai or almost any other “martial art” as a “Sport”. Cage fighting is nothing more than a street fight in a cage and utterly vile in my opinion. But that’s another topic !…

I used to be a fan of boxing, "the noble art of self-defence" before I realised how corrupt and fraudulent it was. In my lifetime, it has gone from eight weight divisions under one org, to 14 divisions under seven alphabet soup orgs. My disappointment was not appeased by the advent of MMA, for which I share your abject lack of enthusiasm.

[steve860]

I was in his company  in a popular bar situated in Hua Hin, came across to me as a pretty ordinary guy.

Edited November 14, 2021 by steve860