News Forum - A synopsis of Thailand’s educational system

[JamesR]

17 hours ago, Vince said:

The choice of countries for education may have to do with perceptions of prestige - a foreign education, even if inferior - might have more prestige to a better local one. 

Education is often about "connections" and a British education will more likely get you British connections - or understand how they work and are made. 

Parents may want to maximize economic success and opportunities for their kids - that is NOT the same thing as "a quality education" or "the best education" unless those terms are used merely as euphemisms for "the most expensive and prestigious education". 

 

"Parents may want to maximize economic success and opportunities for their kids".

Of course most of us do, but what you wrote is not completely true, the farangs who educate their kids in Thailand don't. 

The prestige is due to higher education levels of a country. 

Education is not at all about connections in the UK as you stated. 

For example I went to two universities, one was Oxford University taking a masters degree in software engineering, I then went onto a successful career as a software engineer as I had a lot of skill in software engineering due to my education, my jobs were found through applying to job agencies, people I did not know, no connections used. 

All this nonsense about connection at universities etc is just socialist nonsense spouted out by people who were too bone idle to study and are now regretting it, they have to blame someone else, not themselves. 

My kids went to private schools in the UK and then university, they are doing very well now after graduating, they also found their jobs though agencies just like 99% of the rest of us do, not connections. 

 

 

[JamesR]

41 minutes ago, nobusinessofurs said:

My comments were regarding Thai school systems. I never interjected anything about American School Systems which are a failure due to Democrats own doing. My whole point was regarding grades being given HERE meaning my current domicile of Thailand that he blatantly denied. Vince chose to act like a know all with intention to prove me wrong, asses such as him " I assume it id's with the male species" are the very reason I left the states.....overbearing, self rightess ☆ricks. Maybe yourself fits into the same description,  since birds of a feather flock together.

Erm.... You sound like you fit into that description

[Vince]

10 hours ago, JamesR said:

I have noticed seven of the top universities in the world are in the USA, they did send a few men to the moon and there are far more advanced than Thailand in all technologies and commerce, their eductions is much better.

The other three top universities are in the UK, I have two sons who are half Thai, they went to private schools in the UK, then to university and are now in top jobs.

Farangs sending kids to school is selfish, I know many Thais who sent their kids to school in the UK.

Top universities? You mean over priced money machines that sell the prestige of a few of the former notable members and brag about the applicant rejection ratio to justify a massive tuition? 

The topic I was asking about was "free education" referenced before. The bloated wastelands you refer to didn't send anyone to the moon - good old German rocket scientists that. And they're not free. 

But whatever, we don't seem to be talking about the same thing. 

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[Poolie]

19 minutes ago, JamesR said:

Erm.... You sound like you fit into that description

I tried not to say that!

[Rain]

18 hours ago, Vince said:

That's not how education works, nor is it how to teach or encourage creativity. 

If you want a response you prime it with examples. If the response isn't forth coming you can prime it with fragments. So instead of "a story" they can describe some action. A string of descriptions can make up a narrative if prompted. 

A example of this method is used by Socrates in his dialogues - although his explanation is totally in incorrect (he ascribed it to a priori knowledge, it was in fact verbal prompting). 

Once taught narrative structures deliberately prompt and reward variable responses ("creativity"). 

You will soon have children who can both tell stories and make them up creatively. Guaranteed. 

One might remember where your beloved Socrates attained his wisdom and insight.

[Vince]

9 minutes ago, Rain said:

One might remember where your beloved Socrates attained his wisdom and insight.

I use him as an example (since his speeches are widely available), and indicated he was wrong. 

I could have written up a long original example instead (maybe more appropriate to a topic on creativity). 

I preferred Diogenes 'the Dog' to the bloated windbag of Socrates anyday. 

But if you are referring to "my beloved Greeks", yes, they were important. I believe they might have even educated some of your beloved Indians, after conquering them ;-)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_campaign_of_Alexander_the_Great

 

[Marc26]

3 hours ago, JamesR said:

My Thai wife went to university in BKK and then to London to do a masters degree which is where I met her.

Her Thai degree would not have got her very far in the UK or Thailand unless in Thailand nepotism was involved. 

And that is what I am hoping for my stepson, although I fear he may need to redo his whole bachelor's because his Thai bachelor's won't qualify

But he started young and he has definitely learned plenty in his chosen major, Physical Therapy, to give him a good base to study here

[Vince]

15 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

And that is what I am hoping for my stepson, although I fear he may need to redo his whole bachelor's because his Thai bachelor's won't qualify

But he started young and he has definitely learned plenty in his chosen major, Physical Therapy, to give him a good base to study here

Medical related degrees are gold mines in wealthy nations with fat, aging populations who aren't encouraged to take care of themselves :-D 

Stick to Farang land, definitely

[JamesR]

36 minutes ago, Vince said:

Medical related degrees are gold mines in wealthy nations with fat, aging populations who aren't encouraged to take care of themselves :-D 

Stick to Farang land, definitely

They are gold mines in Thailand too, I was talking to a Thai woman two years ago who did her medical degree in Australia, she said it put her well above doctors trained in Thailand and she is making a mint with her own private practice, there are sick people in every country in the world you know. 

[JamesR]

56 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

And that is what I am hoping for my stepson, although I fear he may need to redo his whole bachelor's because his Thai bachelor's won't qualify

But he started young and he has definitely learned plenty in his chosen major, Physical Therapy, to give him a good base to study here

Good luck with that (a positive remark not sarcastic as can be interpreted sometimes). 

[Vince]

Just now, JamesR said:

They are gold mines in Thailand too, I was talking to a Thai woman two years ago who did her medical degree in Australia, she said it put her well above doctors trained in Thailand and she is making a mint with her own private practice, there are sick people in every country in the world you know. 

Yes, but to maximize profits one wants lots of rich, well insured patients with an industry that can over-charge. 

Look at the difference in Canadian and American doctor salaries. 

I knew a Canadian doctor who moved to the US just to be able to make more money. I suspect Canada has sick people too tho'. 

We're talking about the business of medicine here, right? Not helping people in need. 

[JamesR]

2 hours ago, Vince said:

Yes, but to maximize profits one wants lots of rich, well insured patients with an industry that can over-charge. 

Look at the difference in Canadian and American doctor salaries. 

I knew a Canadian doctor who moved to the US just to be able to make more money. I suspect Canada has sick people too tho'. 

We're talking about the business of medicine here, right? Not helping people in need. 

"We're talking about the business of medicine here, right? Not helping people in need. "

Oh, I see, I got the wrong end of the stick. 

I know an American doctor and his wife who is a nurse and they worked in the accident and emergency department in a hospital in the USA, I don't think doctors like them make a lot of money compared to say private plastic surgeons, they left and took private contracts in overseas American military bases.

They said there was so much abuse from the patients coming in to the accident ward at night they had had enough after 20 years, they said it is not glamorous as we see on TV soaps. 

[Marc26]

12 minutes ago, JamesR said:

"We're talking about the business of medicine here, right? Not helping people in need. "

Oh, I see, I got the wrong end of the stick. 

I know an American doctor and his wife who is a nurse and they worked in the accident and emergency department in a hospital in the USA, I don't think doctors like them make a lot of money compared to say private plastic surgeons, they left and took private contracts in overseas American military bases.

They said there was so much abuse from the patients coming in to the accident ward at night they had had enough after 20 years, they said it is not glamorous as we see on TV soaps. 

Working the Emergency Room is extremely hard work, and yes a good % of the people that end up in the Emergency room at the most upstanding citizens 

 

But they can make very good money but work extremely long hours/ot for it

The hospital is constantly asking for you to work OT

 

You could work 80/90hrs a week if you wanted 

 

It's good money when you are young

And some people love the adrenaline of the Emergency Room 

[Marc26]

15 minutes ago, JamesR said:

"We're talking about the business of medicine here, right? Not helping people in need. "

Oh, I see, I got the wrong end of the stick. 

I know an American doctor and his wife who is a nurse and they worked in the accident and emergency department in a hospital in the USA, I don't think doctors like them make a lot of money compared to say private plastic surgeons, they left and took private contracts in overseas American military bases.

They said there was so much abuse from the patients coming in to the accident ward at night they had had enough after 20 years, they said it is not glamorous as we see on TV soaps. 

I have a tele-appoitment tonight

I seem to have a touch of bronchitis 

 

But I was talking to someone how that's not a bad gig for a doctor that may want to scale things down

 

Do 10-15 of those appointments from your home on days you want to work

 

Some decent $ just to basically subscribe medications

[JamesR]

3 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

Working the Emergency Room is extremely hard work, and yes a good % of the people that end up in the Emergency room at the most upstanding citizens 

But they can make very good money but work extremely long hours/ot for it

The hospital is constantly asking for you to work OT

You could work 80/90hrs a week if you wanted 

It's good money when you are young

And some people love the adrenaline of the Emergency Room 

Most people could or would not do it and the hourly pay is not that good seeing as they work 80 hours a week.

For example software engineers get paid £120,000 year in the UK sitting at a desk, no risk, no 80 hours a week and no abuse.

[JamesR]

7 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

I have a tele-appoitment tonight

I seem to have a touch of bronchitis 

But I was talking to someone how that's not a bad gig for a doctor that may want to scale things down

Do 10-15 of those appointments from your home on days you want to work

Some decent $ just to basically subscribe medications

Retiring is boring anyway and that is why I like to write software still and I can do it from any country in the world with an internet or a mobile connection.

Do it at my own discretion. 

[JamesR]

4 hours ago, Vince said:

I use him as an example (since his speeches are widely available), and indicated he was wrong. 

I could have written up a long original example instead (maybe more appropriate to a topic on creativity). 

I preferred Diogenes 'the Dog' to the bloated windbag of Socrates anyday. 

But if you are referring to "my beloved Greeks", yes, they were important. I believe they might have even educated some of your beloved Indians, after conquering them ;-)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_campaign_of_Alexander_the_Great

I prefer the teachings of Desperate Dan from the Dandy. 

[Marc26]

27 minutes ago, JamesR said:

Most people could or would not do it and the hourly pay is not that good seeing as they work 80 hours a week.

For example software engineers get paid £120,000 year in the UK sitting at a desk, no risk, no 80 hours a week and no abuse.

Well it's 2 different professions

 

Most people who get into Healthcare wouldn't have a desire to be a software engineer

 

 

 

[JamesR]

17 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

Well it's 2 different professions

Most people who get into Healthcare wouldn't have a desire to be a software engineer

People don't suddenly become doctors or software engineers.

You start more or less when you are 15 years old as you choose your GCSE's, the results of those dictate which 'A' levels you can take, so you would take the appropriate 'A' levels for the direction you wish to take, then the degree you take depends on the 'A l'evel results.

If you do maths 'A' levels with other associated 'A' levels then you can not become a doctor and if you study biology, chemistry etc then you can not become a software engineer. 

My son was thinking of being a doctor and a friend in the UK who is a doctor advised him about other directions he could take in the medical field due the many hours, stress etc doctors are under and said many are leaving.

I know two doctors who have left and are doing other things less stressful and more rewarding.

My son heeded the advice and is now working in medical research with no stress etc.

 

[Vince]

12 minutes ago, JamesR said:

People don't suddenly become doctors or software engineers.

You start more or less when you are 15 years old as you choose your GCSE's, the results of those dictate which 'A' levels you can take, so you would take the appropriate 'A' levels for the direction you wish to take, then the degree you take depends on the 'A l'evel results.

If you do maths 'A' levels with other associated 'A' levels then you can not become a doctor and if you study biology, chemistry etc then you can not become a software engineer. 

My son was thinking of being a doctor and a friend in the UK who is a doctor advised him about other directions he could take in the medical field due the many hours, stress etc doctors are under and said many are leaving.

I know two doctors who have left and are doing other things less stressful and more rewarding.

My son heeded the advice and is now working in medical research with no stress etc.

Drug abuse is common in the medical professional, I've heard. 

But then again, it's not unknown in the software/computer industry either. 

Video game addiction is also more of a risk being around computers all day  

[Vince]

46 minutes ago, JamesR said:

I prefer the teachings of Desperate Dan from the Dandy. 

https://ukcomics.fandom.com/wiki/Desperate_Dan

I'll check out your favorite philosopher 

[DesperateOldHand]

On 1/18/2022 at 11:05 AM, Vince said:

Drug abuse is common in the medical professional, I've heard. 

But then again, it's not unknown in the software/computer industry either. 

Video game addiction is also more of a risk being around computers all day  

Mobile gadgetry compulsion and dependency might be the single most destructive entity.

[Vince]

37 minutes ago, DesperateOldHand said:

Mobile gadgetry compulsion and dependency might be the single most destructive entity.

Indeed. But

"News Forum - A synopsis of Thailand’s educational system"

is the topic so if you'd like to chat about that we can do it in "all other discussions" ----->

[JamesR]

On 1/18/2022 at 7:05 PM, Vince said:

Drug abuse is common in the medical professional, I've heard. 

But then again, it's not unknown in the software/computer industry either. 

Video game addiction is also more of a risk being around computers all day  

It is probably not unknown in any profession to take drugs including the above.

I have been a software engineer for 30+ years and I have not come across any drug takers, we do like a beer though.

I am sure the drug takers do it in secret but I have not seen it openly in the software industry. 

"Video game addiction is also more of a risk being around computers all day".

I have been around them all day for decades, I do not play any games, I am writing two games at the moment thought for iPhones etc.

Using a computer all day does of course like many of us cause us to waste time talking goolies on this platform though. 

[Vince]

2 hours ago, JamesR said:

It is probably not unknown in any profession to take drugs including the above.

I have been a software engineer for 30+ years and I have not come across any drug takers, we do like a beer though.

I am sure the drug takers do it in secret but I have not seen it openly in the software industry. 

"Video game addiction is also more of a risk being around computers all day".

I have been around them all day for decades, I do not play any games, I am writing two games at the moment thought for iPhones etc.

Using a computer all day does of course like many of us cause us to waste time talking goolies on this platform though. 

To avoid being suspected of thread hijacking we can discuss drugs in IT over in ------>

https://thethaiger.com/talk/forum/137-all-other-discussion/

This thread is about education, supposedly.