Collapse of China

[Stardust]

31 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

UK sensibly ditched Socialism and Basic Industries forty years ago. UK decided not to subsidize or compete with Asia in mass produced Steel, Ships, Cars, Coal etc. so concentrated on High Value Niches with Limited Competition. All Formula One Racing Cars built in SE England.Germany cannot build these… or Nuclear Submarines, for example. UK Financial / Shipping / Insurance/ Banking Services unmatched in size, importance and diversity outside USA. EU stuck in the failed Past with Socialism, Protectionism, Restrictions & Mass Production. New Soviet Union…….EUSSR.

What an absurd comment to compare the EU with former soviet union, especially after the revolution against the former soviet union and the fall of the wall. That shows me your political zero knowledge just based on your own believes not on facts. But I understand that the uk as an island was never involved in that and never experienced the soviet union like the continental europeans but the big mouth like we already experienced before in Europe always tell the people in Europe know it better even better the ones who experienced it and involved in the revolution. Thats why most European are happy that England is out because it was always the same sound me me me and take take but never wanna do something. Weird also was that the often thought they are still in empire and never accept the facts, same like you do. Fact is a lot english productions , companies and financial companies came to germany and Frankfurt. By the way my scottish friend says they (England) live from the resources (oil, fish, whisky etc) and businesses from Scottland and they voted to stay in the eu and the brexit made everything worse and Scottland wat out of the uk and back to the EU. That are the facts!

[PBS]

19 minutes ago, Stardust said:

All German submarine must be all nuclear capable inclusive their airforces thats a contract between Nato, USA and France! Wrong again all is not by facts or knowing just by believing same like your claims there no German Army in Asia/ south east Asia

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/german-warship-docks-at-changi-naval-base-in-first-regional-deployment-in-19-years

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-submarines-will-have-second-strike-nuclear-capability/

So all your claims about Germany all wrong you are just writing your own fantasies, believings and opinions

German commitment to nuclear weapons is currently being debated, at this stage their is no certainty for the future strategy.

As Germany’s allies watch coalition negotiations unfold in Berlin, many worry that the next government may distance itself from NATO’s nuclear deterrence strategy. 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/11/19/nuclear-weapons-debate-in-germany-touches-a-raw-nato-nerve/

 

[Stardust]

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2019/october/7583-israel-has-german-build-nuclear-missile-submarines.html

26 minutes ago, Stardust said:

All German submarine must be all nuclear capable inclusive their airforces thats a contract between Nato, USA and France! Wrong again all is not by facts or knowing just by believing same like your claims there no German Army in Asia/ south east Asia

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/german-warship-docks-at-changi-naval-base-in-first-regional-deployment-in-19-years

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-submarines-will-have-second-strike-nuclear-capability/

So all your claims about Germany all wrong you are just writing your own fantasies, believings and opinions

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2019/october/7583-israel-has-german-build-nuclear-missile-submarines.html

By the way Australia made also an inquiry for nuclear capable german submarines but this is another story because of biddings/ prices and the French allies.

[astro]

Jingoism is alive & well with the Brexiteers who feed on the tabloids.

[Stardust]

5 minutes ago, astro said:

Jingoism is alive & well with the Brexiteers who feed on the tabloids.

Yes and ignore all facts like this before

https://www.dw.com/en/brexit-drives-firms-to-relocate-to-germany/a-48714940

 

[Stardust]

10 minutes ago, PBS said:

German commitment to nuclear weapons is currently being debated, at this stage their is no certainty for the future strategy.

As Germany’s allies watch coalition negotiations unfold in Berlin, many worry that the next government may distance itself from NATO’s nuclear deterrence strategy. 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/11/19/nuclear-weapons-debate-in-germany-touches-a-raw-nato-nerve/

Wrong again and check how much nuclear weapons are in Germany the discussion was without allies (France and USA) but sure you know it better but cannot read german news and discussions)

Unofficially they have it already decades (everybody who served in Germany including US Army knows that) now it is about to make it officially

https://www.icanw.org/germany

It is about knowing and not just believe!

Their Navy and Airforce all have long time the nuclear capabilities and have nuclear misiilies and nuclear bombers!

[Stardust]

22 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Wrong again and check how much nuclear weapons are in Germany the discussion was without allies (France and USA) but sure you know it better but cannot read german news and discussions)

Unofficially they have it already decades (everybody who served in Germany including US Army knows that) now it is about to make it officially

https://www.icanw.org/germany

It is about knowing and not just believe!

Their Navy and Airforce all have long time the nuclear capabilities and have nuclear misiilies and nuclear bombers!

Maybe some should talk with people who served in Germany (Americans, Germans, French) and especially in the 80s the arsenal were filled up like crazy with nuclear weapons in Germany like in no other country in Europe.

[Smithydog]

Note from Moderators

We seem to be talking more now about any other country other than China! Some limited background comparison was understood but feel we are too far off topic now. If you wish to debate further in a civil manner, I can create a topic more associated to your conversations.

Can I also ask that In the spirit of Christmas, can we tone down the conversations a bit. Otherwise you risk being the first on Santa's naughty list for next Christmas!

Thanks

Moderator

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, Smithydog said:

Note from Moderators

We seem to be talking more now about any other country other than China! Some limited background comparison was understood but feel we are too far off topic now. If you wish to debate further in a civil manner, I can create a topic more associated to your conversations.

Can I also ask that In the spirit of Christmas, can we tone down the conversations a bit. Otherwise you risk being the first on Santa's naughty list for next Christmas!

Thanks

Moderator

Merry Christmas

 

 

[AussieBob]

2 hours ago, Smithydog said:

Note from Moderators

We seem to be talking more now about any other country other than China! Some limited background comparison was understood but feel we are too far off topic now. If you wish to debate further in a civil manner, I can create a topic more associated to your conversations.

Can I also ask that In the spirit of Christmas, can we tone down the conversations a bit. Otherwise you risk being the first on Santa's naughty list for next Christmas!

Thanks

Moderator

 

 

 

[palooka]

4 hours ago, Thomazz59 said:

So why would they lay down their lives Xi and his philosophy?? 

Years of indoctrination and fear, you don't do as the party say your family gets it.

[Poolie]

21 minutes ago, palooka said:

Years of indoctrination and fear, you don't do as the party say your family gets it.

Yes, of course they do Mr McCarthy. 

What utter rubbish.     

[Smithydog]

Two Posts have been removed as off topic. This was despite an earlier request from the Moderators to return to the topic, which is not Germany!

Don't push the boundaries of my Christmas patience. It is not an inexhaustible supply!

Bah Humbug!

Moderator

 

[Rain]

1 hour ago, Poolie said:

You're not taking the hint are you? The topic is and always has been ' The Collapse of China.

All of which isn't collapsing, but instead their influence remains steady.

[palooka]

3 hours ago, Poolie said:

Yes, of course they do Mr McCarthy. 

What utter rubbish.     

Thank you Mr Xi

[Poolie]

1 hour ago, palooka said:

Thank you Mr Xi

Not really, just someone who has lived in mainland China for 16 years.

[Fester]

17 hours ago, palooka said:

Yes right over the Spratley Islands and with a some minor navigational errors over some of the reclaimed islands and new bases that China claim to be theirs, 1,000kms from China.

Well, that's certainly a diversion! 

[KaptainRob]

This thread is now locked as it has been overloaded with off-topic discussion and gone off the rails too often.