More Freedom: Australia or China?

[WaccineChinawatiiRaporn]

What the . . .

 

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[NumbNut]

And here I was thinking I was the only NumbNut on here

[PBS]

1 minute ago, NumbNut said:

And here I was thinking I was the only NumbNut on here

Yep, unbelievable BS posted by some, nearly always from "right of centre" sympathisers.

[Russell]

8 minutes ago, PBS said:

Yep, unbelievable BS posted by some, nearly always from "right of centre" sympathisers.

and that is what it is BS because the poster has not had the guts to tell all the truthful facts about the anti-vax rallies that have been held in Australia, this scum want you to believe that it is the police and the government but it is these scum that turn on the violence and disobey the law and continue to spread this virus. One woman found out the hard and painful way about these protest rallies. She would not get a vaccine for herself and her family and she attended these rallies and took the virus home to her family and everyone of her family ended up with Covid and herb 7 year old daughter died from the virus, so now this stupid idiot mother wishes she did have the family inoculated. Some mother she turned out to be. 

[WaccineChinawatiiRaporn]

Are there videos of people being arrested for being outside without face masks?

Do you have to take selfies to confirm you are at home?

Are there COVID camps being built?

Can you post criticism of the government online without any consequence?


You all are just a frog in a pot of hot water.

Don't be so offended, the Democrat Party in America& the Labour Party in the UK would probably do the same if they could get away with it now.

[Changnam43]

Hey Waccine man.

Tell us what life is like for the Uigur muslims in China.

Or for other religious minorities, or for anyone who publicly criticises the CCP.

[WaccineChinawatiiRaporn]

9 minutes ago, Russell said:

and that is what it is BS because the poster has not had the guts to tell all the truthful facts about the anti-vax rallies that have been held in Australia, this scum want you to believe that it is the police and the government but it is these scum that turn on the violence and disobey the law and continue to spread this virus. One woman found out the hard and painful way about these protest rallies. She would not get a vaccine for herself and her family and she attended these rallies and took the virus home to her family and everyone of her family ended up with Covid and herb 7 year old daughter died from the virus, so now this stupid idiot mother wishes she did have the family inoculated. Some mother she turned out to be. 

Now you see how Pol Pot came to power, just read the above. Guy is probably middle age too, sad.

and that is what it is BS because the poster has not had the guts to tell all the truthful facts about the anti-vax rallies that have been held in Australia, this scum want you to believe that it is the police and the government but it is these scum that turn on the violence and disobey the law and continue to spread this virus (People have been almost continously locked down for 2 years and the more restrictions are imposed the higher the numbers go up. They are just supposed to sit inside and take it forever??)

One woman found out the hard and painful way about these protest rallies. She would not get a vaccine for herself and her family and she attended these rallies and took the virus home to her family and everyone of her family ended up with Covid and herb 7 year old daughter died from the virus, so now this stupid idiot mother wishes she did have the family inoculated. Some mother she turned out to be. (Anecdotal story & extremely rare. Does the media cover anyone dying from the vaccine or from COVID after being vaccinated in Australia? What are the chances the one woman caught disobeing govt orders on camera that went viral had a daughter die from COVID?

This is a study out of the UK -->

A comprehensive analysis of hospital admissions and reported deaths across England suggests that COVID-19 carries a lower risk of dying or requiring intensive care among children and young people than was previously thought.

In a series of preprints published on medRxiv^1–3, a team of researchers picked through all hospital admissions and deaths reported for people younger than 18 in England. The studies found that COVID-19 caused 25 deaths in that age group between March 2020 and February 2021.

About half of those deaths were in individuals with an underlying complex disability with high health-care needs, such as tube feeding or assistance with breathing.)

 

[WaccineChinawatiiRaporn]

3 minutes ago, Changnam43 said:

Hey Waccine man.

Tell us what life is like for the Uigur muslims in China.

Or for other religious minorities, or for anyone who publicly criticises the CCP.

OK, lets change the title to "Since COVID Began, is Australia the Least Free Society in Western Civilization?"

Better now?

[BraveNewFahrenheit]

Australia is the test bed to see how far they can push those in the "western democracies".

[NumbNut]

15 minutes ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

Are there videos of people being arrested for being outside without face masks?

Do you have to take selfies to confirm you are at home?

Are there COVID camps being built?

Can you post criticism of the government online without any consequence?


You all are just a frog in a pot of hot water.

Don't be so offended, the Democrat Party in America& the Labour Party in the UK would probably do the same if they could get away with it now.

In the first video the women being arrested had just assaulted that officer's partner, but the video is cut to not show the assault.

In the second video, those folks being detained were trying to be half smart by sitting right on the NSW/QLD border thinking they could not be arrested by either the QLD or NSW police. They were after attention and they got it.

So excellent cherry picking by the agenda driven US pundits. I suppose congratulations are in order for the excellent video editing skills.

 

[BlueSphinx]

And here an e-mail with a testimonial of how it currently is to live in Australia > spoiler alert - no fun!  The letter was sent to Alex Berenson who posted it unedited on his Unreported Truths blog but removed any identifying information (as Australia has gone totally fascist and it could have grave repercussions for the poster). 

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Hi Alex,

I have been reading your emails about Australia and being an Australian myself i thought i would offer you some thoughts on what is happening here and why nobody is standing up to all this.

I was born and grew up here and usually spend a couple of months of the year here and the rest of the year in XXX. But i came back here early in the Pandemic for the sake of my Dad is who has XXX and is in ill health generally and have not been allowed to leave since. 

And can i first thank you for the Twitter feed you were running. It was one of only a handful of things keeping me sane during this period. Everybody else around me is buying into all the lies and i have felt as though i was losing my mind at times. It was so comforting to see that there were other people just as sceptical of all this as i was and have been.

I think you might be under appreciating is just how complete and comprehensive the media black out of information the government doesn't want the public to hear has been. Way worse and more comprehensive of a black out than what i see in Europe and the US. The only thing comparable to this media operation that i have seen was the Brexit campaign in the UK. Just wall to wall propaganda being blasted at the public 24/7 and all contrary information and opinion banished. 

It is obvious that media coverage of Covid here is completely controlled by the government. The other day when Joe Rogan said he recovered from Covid with Ivermectin i saw the same "special report" on the 6pm news reports of all 4 main stations smearing Ivermectin.

Not only were all the key points and buzzwords identical, i.e. the horse dewormer talking point and the claims that the ICU's were full of people with life threatening diarrhoea from taking it, but the whole script was pretty much identical. What are the odds that all 4 channels decided independently to do a special report on Ivermectin all on the same day and all with the same false talking points? There is obviously a unit in the government that is monitoring for when somebody with influence contradicts the narrative and sends out a script designed to counter it for the media to run.  

Everyday on TV here the various state leaders and health ministers get on TV and tell the public that the vaccine will stop them getting Covid and/or transmitting it to other people. They use very careful language when doing it. They don't make a clear direct statement that might come back to haunt them, i.e. You can't be infected once vaccinated, but they just repeatedly imply it over and over again.  

Information from other countries is not allowed to be presented unless it conforms to the narrative. There was blanket coverage of India earlier in the year. Then when deaths dropped away it has not been mentioned since. None of the events in Israel or Iceland are mentioned at all.

Coverage of vaccine adverse events is definitely banned. They have admitted to like 6 deaths from blood clots from AstraZeneca. They never do anything that would humanise the person who died. No photos of the person are shown. No friends or family ever interviewed. Just a brief description of the age and gender of the person, where they are from, and then usually a caveat implying it wasn't really the vaccine the person died from added at the end (i.e. "She was known to be in poor health for some time").

In contrast they can't wait to tell you all about anybody who died from Covid, especially if they are under 60. Photos and tearful statements from friends and family galore. They have not admitted to a single case of Guillain-Barre syndrome or myocarditis or facial paralysis. Not one. There must be loads of these side effects by now but the government and media have not admitted to a single one.

Coverage of the police violence is banned. You will not see any of the footage you have been emailing in any of the news coverage. People who rely on mainstream media will simply not know not about it. There has been zero coverage of the Identify and Disrupt bill you mentioned meaning the government can take over your email and social media accounts. Rammed through parliament in one day with no debate. Both parties voting for it. No media coverage at all. If you interviewed 50,000 Australian i would be shocked if even one person knew about it.

Anyway, i don't want to write too long of an email but i wanted to point out that one of the differences i can see between Australia and other countries and why this is being tolerated is the media blackout is beyond what you could imagine.

Most Australians think that the vaccine will stop them being infected, that you only have to have it once and thats it, that serious side effects are about as likely as wining the lottery, that the vaccine is no different to other vaccines in how it works, that if you got Covid you would probably have a 5% chance of dying. People really believe this. 

Also, you need to appreciate the politics. The elderly have been totally radicalised by the fear campaign. The fear campaign was targeted at the young and it has totally failed to scare them but it has scared the shit out of the elderly.

And they have formed a formidable voting block to back the restrictions. There have been two state elections since the Pandemic and both were won in a landslide by the incumbent left wing government who ran on a platform of keeping borders shut and being complete totalitarians. The got all the elderly vote which normally votes conservative, plus the middle aged women who love the totalitarianism, plus the work from home crowd who are voting to keep this going so they don't have to go back to working at the office, plus all the people who normally vote left wing.

But the elderly vote is the big block. In a country with an ageing population and compulsory voting if all the elderly vote against you it is almost impossible to win. Especially for conservative parties because the elderly are a big part of their natural base. So they are very reluctant to stand up to any of this as the mostly left wing state governments are doing it.

 

Source: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-diabolically-brilliant-politics

 

[WaccineChinawatiiRaporn]

1 minute ago, NumbNut said:

In the first video the women being arrested had just assaulted that officer's partner, but the video is cut to not show the assault.

In the second video, those folks being detained were trying to be half smart by sitting right on the NSW/QLD border thinking they could not be arrested by either the QLD or NSW police. They were after attention and they got it.

So excellent cherry picking by the agenda driven US pundits. I suppose congratulations are in order for the excellent video editing skills.

You didn't answer the questions.....

Are there videos of people being arrested for being outside without face masks?

Do you have to take selfies to confirm you are at home?

Are there COVID camps being built?

Can you post criticism of the government online without any consequence?

Go back to start... do not pass go... do not collect $200

[Smithydog]

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Update: Topic has been unlocked and now available for further discussion. However one post has been deleted for breaches of forum rules. 

[WaccineChinawatiiRaporn]

We're back!

That email sent to Alex Berenson was the kind of response I thought I would get from this post.

I had no idea how many would be supporting the police tactics.

 

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Words in Language other than English used.

[NumbNut]

1 hour ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

You didn't answer the questions.....

Are there videos of people being arrested for being outside without face masks?

Do you have to take selfies to confirm you are at home?

Are there COVID camps being built?

Can you post criticism of the government online without any consequence?

Go back to start... do not pass go... do not collect $200

Sorry mate, not arguing with you on this, only going to make us both dumber.

The Australian public by a large majority continues to support the measures being asked of them by the authorities to mitigate the worst effects of this pandemic and that's good enough for me. 

[PBS]

@bluesphinx. personally I couldn't be bothered to wade through all the text you posted, a lot better idea to just post the URL. I also live in Australia, the absolute crap being posted by right wingnuts is exactly that - crap, 

 

Sadly it appears Thaiger is heading down the same path as the other platform which ended up being a turnoff for most members. Right of centre posts overwhelming meaningful dialogue by the same members moving over to Thaiger.  

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[Poolie]

1 hour ago, Changnam43 said:

Hey Waccine man.

Tell us what life is like for the Uigur muslims in China.

Or for other religious minorities, or for anyone who publicly criticises the CCP.

I'd hazard a guess that you have never lived in China, have you?

[BlueSphinx]

3 minutes ago, PBS said:

@bluesphinx. personally I couldn't be bothered to wade through all the text you posted, a lot better idea to just post the URL. I also live in Australia, the absolute crap being posted by right wingnuts is exactly that - crap, 

Here a shorter version of the 'crap' I posted, and probably a better fit to cater for your short-attention-span...

> A nice relaxing stroll through the streets of Melbourne

[PBS]

Singapore facts...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/27/singapore-is-seeing-record-covid-cases-that-may-not-be-a-bad-thing.html

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[Changnam43]

1 hour ago, Poolie said:

I'd hazard a guess that you have never lived in China, have you?

You guessed wrong.

[PBS]

2 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

Here a shorter version of the 'crap' I posted, and probably a better fit to cater for your short-attention-span...

> A nice relaxing stroll through the streets of Melbourne

 

Shining light on misinformation. I did find the article that the photo was related...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10016021/Police-fire-rubber-bullets-anti-vaxxer-tradies-took-Melbournes-war-memorial.html

 Makes interesting reading, especially the following:

“After an hours-long standoff where police offered to let protesters leave, officers opened fire to clear demonstrators who had started pelting them with bottles.   

Victoria Police arrested 215 protesters throughout the day while two officers suffered head injuries, and one was taken to hospital with chest pains. Tap handles, golf balls, batteries and bottles were thrown at them from the shrine. “

 

 

 

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[Poolie]

45 minutes ago, Changnam43 said:

You guessed wrong.

Where did you live? How long for? You have an 'unusual' take on China for someone experienced.

[PBS]

6 hours ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

We're back!

That email sent to Alex Berenson was the kind of response I thought I would get from this post.

I had no idea how many would be supporting the police tactics.

 

Try some fact checking rather than swallowing the BS hook, link and sinker. Some examples to refute the nonsense....

 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/protesters-hit-melbourne-streets-on-sixth-day-of-anti-vaccination-rallies/51b73fcf-ac68-4288-8baa-e4be590aadc7

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/victorian-police-officer-suspended-over-flinders-st-arrest/100500840

Ivermectin as an alternative was tested in Australia in laboratory tests against Covid-19 in cells by Monash University research fellow Dr Kylie Wagstaff in April 2020. Her tests were so cherry-picked that she had to add an addendum to her report stating its use was not proven. The TGA (Australia) has not approved Ivermectin for use against Covid-19.

Anti-vaxxers and anti-lockdown protesters sent death threats and otherwise harassed staff at the TGA after the regulator banned the off-label usage.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/09/24/ivermectin-research-australia/

Sky News Australia Opinion Hosts have regularly reported on alternative treatments like Ivermectin in much the same way as Fox News hosts do in the US.

Australia offers greater freedom of the press than the US. It sits at position 25 in the World Press Freedom Index. The US is only at 44!

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

 

Government controls the press - LOL...

Researchers from the University of Canberra’s News and Media Research Centre and media monitoring company, Streem, identified 2,549,143 distinct news items about COVID-19 across online, television, radio and print media between January and November 2020. 

https://apo.org.au/node/312457

 

 

[Changnam43]

3 hours ago, Poolie said:

Where did you live? How long for? You have an 'unusual' take on China for someone experienced.

I am not going to answer your questions for a number of reasons including the fact that China has a 'National Security Law' which they consider to have global jurisdiction and use to grab critics abroad.

The existence of that law can be added to the list of reasons why China sucks.

[Poolie]

1 hour ago, Changnam43 said:

I am not going to answer your questions for a number of reasons including the fact that China has a 'National Security Law' which they consider to have global jurisdiction and use to grab critics abroad.

The existence of that law can be added to the list of reasons why China sucks.

Up to no good were we? You obviously weren't going to answer that either, for the same reasons, so forgive me if I jump to conclusions.

Well, you make your bed, you lie in it.

We have multi-faith Churches all over the city. People worship at their leisure, often and repeatedly. There are Uighur restaurants, very popular, where Muslims work freely and undisturbed.

Someone has been feeding on the teat of the western press. It's certainly not from personal experience.