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Death Panels Implemented by Republicans!!!


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Way back in the Before Time US Republicans were up in arms about Obamacare and how it would result in rationing of healthcare. They called this fiction "Death Panels". Idaho, a very right-wing state with a solidly Republican state government, is now rationing healthcare. Ironic, huh?

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037987107/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide-covid-19-coronavirus-hospital

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/idaho-boise-icu-west-virginia-wyoming-b1921503.html

The back-story is even more interesting. Idaho's governor - one Brad Little - refused mask mandates and other social distancing measures early on, vaccine messaging was basically non-existent. Now, Idaho is paying the price. But - as with other Republican led states throughout the country - when s#!t gets real, they start screaming for help. It's "mah libertah" up until what they're doing goes belly-up and then they want others - neighboring states, the feds - to step in and clean their mess up. Thus, Idaho is begging for help from Washington state (where I live) and threatening to overrun the hospitals in eastern Washington. If you read the article Idaho sounds more like India than the US.

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NPR...snooze, they just got busted lying about 70% of calls to poison control. This is fake news like 95% of the msm narrative driven garbage put out. Next.

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6 minutes ago, BraveNewFahrenheit said:

NPR...snooze, they just got busted lying about 70% of calls to poison control. This is fake news like 95% of the msm narrative driven garbage put out. Next.

I was right! I guessed the first response would be about "NPR" and not about reality. You won!

Now run this search: "idaho rationing health care fox news" and scroll through the pages of what the Fox broadcast system is saying.

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James, it is the same media narrative we have been fed for the last 18 months. I don't care, hospitals were overwhelmed in Thailand...with positive ASYMPTOMATIC cases!!!

What about the giant field hospital setup at Don Muang? Big scary news for a few days and then crickets....cuz they never used it.

It is all about keeping fear pegged, people glued to the TV and clicking links.

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https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

Wanna pull up the stats in Idaho and see if they match the NPR propaganda? (Hint: they don't)

Will also add, in most cases nationwide it is a staffing shortage, NOT lack of beds that is the cause of any healthcare shortage. That little detail gets left out as a number of last years "heroes" are now zeroes cuz they dont want the vax either.

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2 hours ago, BraveNewFahrenheit said:

Will also add, in most cases nationwide it is a staffing shortage, NOT lack of beds that is the cause of any healthcare shortage.

The difference being? If you need treatment for something, COVID or not, and you can't get it whether for a room or staffing or even a catering shortage, then the healthcare system is not providing actual healthcare. On that link you provided the numbers seemed to match pretty closely what the news outlets were reporting.

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2 hours ago, JamesE said:

I was right! I guessed the first response would be about "NPR" and not about reality. You won!

Now run this search: "idaho rationing health care fox news" and scroll through the pages of what the Fox broadcast system is saying.

Without dealing with the generality of your post, I can never understand why so many Americans are opposed to "free healthcare". Quite apart from it being the most expensive on the planet, and the leading cause of bankruptcies in the US, if you use life expectancy as a yard stick to measure it's end product, it ranks 46th, 32 months behind the UK. https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ and yet the US spends almost twice as much on healthcare as the UK does.

Those who have been persuaded by the Insurers that the UK system is a hangover from a period when social medicine was equated with socialism and communism, might well want to consider that for every dollar paid to insurers, 15% is spent on admin another 15% goes to hospital/Doctor profits, and yet another 15% goes to the insurers profits. By contrast, the UK NHS spends 9% of it's budget on admin, and the remaining 91% goes to patient care. Yes! I can see why Insurers want you to fear socialised medicine. With Healthcare spending of $3.8 TN, that's 570 billion reasons the insurers do not want to see the system replaced. 

I once heard Trump trying to "big up" US healthcare when he was trying to introduce his own "plan" to replace Obamacare and for the benefit of the cameras, he asked an aide, "What was the waiting time for a hip replacement in the UK". He was told 116 days. If I'd been in the press corps that day, I would have asked, "What is the waiting time for a hip replacement in the US if you don't have insurance"?

It's a terrible indictment that many Americans are just one major illness/accident away from bankruptcy. I recall the aftermath of the Las Vegas mass shooting reading about the victims seeking crowdfunding to pay their bills. What sort of a country treats it's victims like that. 

The UK system may not be perfect, but I'll take that over any other that threatens bankruptcy to the sick and injured.

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28 minutes ago, JohninDubin said:

The UK system may not be perfect, but I'll take that over any other that threatens bankruptcy to the sick and injured.

The US and most of the world has fallen into the trap of money is the same thing as value. While much of the world has said "wait a minute..." for things like healthcare, the US has doubled down. Obamacare (and I'm center-left politically) is a failure. It is not about "Healthcare" at all, it's about access to health insurance. Two completely different things. The system bought into it because of the vast sums to be made. Even for people who have health insurance the co-pays and deductibles are frighteningly high. They may be able to afford the premiums, but they still can't afford to get sick.

33 minutes ago, JohninDubin said:

I can never understand why so many Americans are opposed to "free healthcare".

Because most Americans see supporting society as a burden on them personally and not as paying into the system that is actually supporting them. The "mah libertah" crowd really hates anything that smacks of socialism. Oh, except free roads, and free schools for their kids, and disaster relief, and free weather forecasts, and cheap food, and, and, and. They just don't understand how the system works.

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9 hours ago, BraveNewFahrenheit said:

NPR...snooze, they just got busted lying about 70% of calls to poison control. This is fake news like 95% of the msm narrative driven garbage put out. Next.

Then how about something closer to home, 

From The Idaho Capital Sun

 

The day after Idaho officially moved into “crisis standards of care,” there were more than 700 people hospitalized with COVID-19. Those who needed ICU care reached a record high of nearly 190.

Idaho Health and Welfare Director Dave Jeppesen on Labor Day activated “crisis standards of care” for the North Idaho region. He warned this week that a similar crisis designation is “imminent” for the Treasure Valley and Magic Valley. On Thursday, he made it statewide.

Almost every person hospitalized with COVID-19 is not fully vaccinated. Idaho’s largest hospital system, St. Luke’s, says that between 91% and 94% of its COVID-19 patients over the past two weeks were unvaccinated. In its ICUs, unvaccinated people made up 95% to 98% of COVID-19 patients.

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2021/09/17/today-in-idaho-hospitals-and-covid-19-patients-er-visits-and-capacity/

 

8 hours ago, BraveNewFahrenheit said:

James, it is the same media narrative we have been fed for the last 18 months. I don't care, hospitals were overwhelmed in Thailand...with positive ASYMPTOMATIC cases!!!

That was Thailand's mistake, not ones that we see other countries making.  Thailand automatically hopitalized anyone with a postive test at the beginning of the pandemic.  Thailand.

 

 

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9 hours ago, JamesE said:

The US and most of the world has fallen into the trap of money is the same thing as value. While much of the world has said "wait a minute..." for things like healthcare, the US has doubled down. Obamacare (and I'm center-left politically) is a failure. It is not about "Healthcare" at all, it's about access to health insurance. Two completely different things. The system bought into it because of the vast sums to be made. Even for people who have health insurance the co-pays and deductibles are frighteningly high. They may be able to afford the premiums, but they still can't afford to get sick.

Because most Americans see supporting society as a burden on them personally and not as paying into the system that is actually supporting them. The "mah libertah" crowd really hates anything that smacks of socialism. Oh, except free roads, and free schools for their kids, and disaster relief, and free weather forecasts, and cheap food, and, and, and. They just don't understand how the system works.

Most Americans want to pay their fair share ! Once GOVT takes control of spending that fair share, its never enough! Aka the  Deficit

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They lost all credibility with that totally made up story of Oklahoma gun shot victims lining up (in winter clothes in August) while Ivermectin overdose patients overflooded the hospital. It was so over the top bullshit! 🤣 They usually have one or two gun shot victims per year (mostly accidents or suicide) and have not seen even one Ivermectin overdose case!

If blue states are so civilized and better why there is an exodus to red states then? 🤔 Maybe they got the call and are civilizing the hillbillies and rednecks like proper missionaries! Yeah, that must be it!  🤪

These woke Democrats never admit they themselves are wrong at anything. No, they are supposedly superior people and can do no wrong! They should be sealed to their own states to face their own crap they created themselves.

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