News Forum - Bangkok health officials to roll out Sinovac/AstraZeneca vaccine cocktail

[Chaimai]

1 minute ago, Bob20 said:

Thanks, I wondered why you initially seemed to disagree. Glad to see the detail.

I see less point in jabbing Sinovac as it doesn't protect at all against delta which is dominant. Yes, less than 20% still consists of other strains, so technically you'd have a tiny bit more protection, but only really starting after the second jab.

In that instance I would prefer to remain careful or to self isolate (if movements increase a lot again) until I could get another vaccine, rather than put Sinovac in my body. Not too happy even with AZ, as that was pulled in Europe too, but (ignoring the side effects in especially under 60's) at least that's more effective.

As I concluded, these decisions are taken because of delays and shortages. Not because it's all such a great science and research based plan as @oldcpu claimed.

 

 

"Pulled in Europe" regarding Astrazeneca is an exaggeration and distorts the true story.

 

I believe (I don't have time to go back and check the exact facts - but they are there) that AZ was 'suspended' by some countries and then recommended for the older age groups.

Notably Covishied, made in India, was banned by 18 countries and later accepted by 18 European countries.

 

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/another-eu-country-accepts-covishield-vaccine-as-valid-proof-of-immunity-for-travel-bringing-the-number-to-18/

[Bob20]

1 minute ago, Chaimai said:

"Pulled in Europe" regarding Astrazeneca is an exaggeration and distorts the true story.

I believe (I don't have time to go back and check the exact facts - but they are there) that AZ was 'suspended' by some countries and then recommended for the older age groups.

Notably Covishied, made in India, was banned by 18 countries and later accepted by 18 European countries.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/another-eu-country-accepts-covishield-vaccine-as-valid-proof-of-immunity-for-travel-bringing-the-number-to-18/

Yes, I mentioned for the under 60's.

And officially too, as orders have been cancelled and replaced with orders for Pfizer. Notably in the UK which really hurts as they heavily invested in AZ and Oxford University. But good for them that they choose the best for their population instead of sticking with it for other reasons.

[Clarky]

The official time between vaccination for Astra Zeneca is 3 weeks.

In Australia this interval was changed from the original 12 weeks.

[Alotofshopping]

Why even wait 3 weeks when your first jab could be AZ which is effective against delta variance .

 

[Thommo]

Not a new stratergy   I have one thai and one expat colleague who both have had the Sinovac/AV vaccine combination  with the AV jab a month ago

[gummy]

7 minutes ago, Thommo said:

Not a new stratergy   I have one thai and one expat colleague who both have had the Sinovac/AV vaccine combination  with the AV jab a month ago

I have some bad news for all those anti vaxxers out there. My last ex wife has now had two doses of sinovac and she is still alive 

[BlueSphinx]

1 minute ago, gummy said:

I have some bad news for all those anti vaxxers out there. My last ex wife has now had two doses of sinovac and she is still alive 

You should have done some research first and talked her into taking the Pfizer/Moderna dead-shots.

[Faraday]

4 minutes ago, gummy said:

I have some bad news for all those anti vaxxers out there. My last ex wife has now had two doses of sinovac and she is still alive 

Tell her she needs a booster, that's only available in farangistan. 

And you have just one syringe full left.....

[gummy]

24 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

You should have done some research first and talked her into taking the Pfizer/Moderna dead-shots.

Would have done no good as she doesn't believe the BS from you types either, she knows the earth is not flat 

[Bob20]

30 minutes ago, gummy said:

I have some bad news for all those anti vaxxers out there. My last ex wife has now had two doses of sinovac and she is still alive 

Your "last" one? How many do you have? Enough to run a clinical trial on Covid vaccine mixing?

[gummy]

2 minutes ago, Bob20 said:

Your "last" one? How many do you have? Enough to run a clinical trial on Covid vaccine mixing?

Probably but one of them has unfortunately passed on already and my first one I hope she has gone that way already so not too sure if digging them up would give much of a test result. As for the others well one in the UK has had both her AZs months ago and the current one is an anti vaxxer which is great because there will be no excuse for me to go into a restaurant on my own where they won't let her in . Save a fortune on the food bill 

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

23 hours ago, Thaiger said:

From next Tuesday, health officials in Bangkok will replace 2 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine with 1 dose of Sinovac, followed by a dose of AstraZeneca. According to a Nation Thailand report, the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration says the policy is in line with guidelines for the dark red provinces, issued by the Public Health Ministry. The reason for the policy shift is that the gap between both vaccine doses is just 3 weeks, as opposed to the 12-week gap required between 2 doses of AstraZeneca. It’s hoped the shorter gap will boost immunity quicker, thereby allowing the country and economy […]

The post Bangkok health officials to roll out Sinovac/AstraZeneca vaccine cocktail appeared first on Thaiger News.

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Clever marketing calling it a "cocktail". That will certainly appeal to the alcoholic expat crowd.

[Alavan]

23 hours ago, Clarky said:

The official time between vaccination for Astra Zeneca is 3 weeks.

In Australia this interval was changed from the original 12 weeks.

So in Europe. AZ gives the best results if the interval between both injections is between 8 & 12 weeks (say the specialists after research).

[Bob20]

Just now, Alavan said:

So in Europe. AZ gives the best results if the interval between both injections is between 8 & 12 weeks (say the specialists after research).

AZ gives the best result if you replace it with Pfizer.

[Bob20]

7 hours ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

Clever marketing calling it a "cocktail". That will certainly appeal to the alcoholic expat crowd.

[oldcpu]

9 hours ago, gummy said:

I have some bad news for all those anti vaxxers out there. My last ex wife has now had two doses of sinovac and she is still alive 

Well done.

Contrary to the false information provided by a member on this thread (scroll up to read their post) and by others in other threads, 2 jabs of Sinovac does reduce risk of death from delta, and it does reduce risk of serious illness from delta.

Is Sinovac efficacy vs delta as good as vaccines such as 2 jabs of AstraZeneca (which takes 10-to-12 weeks to get 2 jabs) or 2 jabs of Pfizer or Moderna (which only have a few weeks of jabs)? No. Sinovac is NOT as good.

But lets see the average Thai person try to get Pfizer or Moderna in the next few months BEFORE they catch the virus - while they need to go to work and earn money to pay for food and rent.

Good luck on that !!  No chance.  

So instead we see forum members tell wrong information about Sinovac like someone on this thread did saying,and I quote:

    "I see less point in jabbing Sinovac as it doesn't protect at all against delta which is dominant."

If a vaccine helps reduce the risk of serious illness and helps the risk of death against delta, it does help protect.  Sinovac is NOT as good as Pfizer nor Moderna, but it does reduce risk.

Saying "doesn't protect at all against delta" is a massive spin and typical of the posts of many on this forum - who - I can only assume - they want the Thai people to wait for months (or more?) for a Pfizer and Moderna deliveries ... deliveries, which while speculated for delivery time and time again (but have not happened in any significant numbers OTHER than a USA donation)  will take many more months to be delivered. 

It must really bug them that Sinovac, while not as good as other vaccines, still helps reduce the risk for those who take it.

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

10 hours ago, gummy said:

My last ex wife has now had two doses of sinovac and she is still alive 

As it was Sinovac, there is still hope for you yet.

[gummy]

1 minute ago, AdvocatusDiaboli said:

As it was Sinovac, there is still hope for you yet.

Well she is half Chinese anyway so good for her, at least she had the vax 

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

7 hours ago, Lawyers_Guns_and_Money said:

Clever marketing calling it a "cocktail". That will certainly appeal to the alcoholic expat crowd.

Only problem is, all the bars in Thailand are closed, and restaurants can’t sell alcohol. But when they are open ……

 

The Vaccine

Ingredients:

2 oz. Herradura Ultra Tequila

1/2 oz. Blos Blue Curacao

3 oz. pineapple juice

1/2 oz. lime juice

1/4 oz. Re’al Coconut Syrup

Preparation: Add all ingredients into a shaker tin, fill with ice, shake and pour into a 400ml Pyrex beaker glass. Add two pieces of dry ice for full effect and enjoy with a straw.

 

The Vaccine is a new tequila-based cocktail served in a beaker glass at A+O Restaurant and Bar at Balboa Bay Resort in Newport Beach, CA.

 

 

[gummy]

1 minute ago, AdvocatusDiaboli said:

Only problem is, all the bars in Thailand are closed, and restaurants can’t sell alcohol. But when they are open ……

The Vaccine

Ingredients:

2 oz. Herradura Ultra Tequila

1/2 oz. Blos Blue Curacao

3 oz. pineapple juice

1/2 oz. lime juice

1/4 oz. Re’al Coconut Syrup

Preparation: Add all ingredients into a shaker tin, fill with ice, shake and pour into a 400ml Pyrex beaker glass. Add two pieces of dry ice for full effect and enjoy with a straw.

The Vaccine is a new tequila-based cocktail served in a beaker glass at A+O Restaurant and Bar at Balboa Bay Resort in Newport Beach, CA.

If I may I will save that and dish it up at the appropriate time. Possibly next month at my birthday party

[Bob20]

34 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

Well done.

Contrary to the false information provided by a member on this thread (scroll up to read their post) and by others in other threads, 2 jabs of Sinovac does reduce risk of death from delta, and it does reduce risk of serious illness from delta.

Is Sinovac efficacy vs delta as good as vaccines such as 2 jabs of AstraZeneca (which takes 10-to-12 weeks to get 2 jabs) or 2 jabs of Pfizer or Moderna (which only have a few weeks of jabs)? No. Sinovac is NOT as good.

But lets see the average Thai person try to get Pfizer or Moderna in the next few months BEFORE they catch the virus - while they need to go to work and earn money to pay for food and rent.

Good luck on that !!  No chance.  

So instead we see forum members tell wrong information about Sinovac like someone on this thread did saying,and I quote:

    "I see less point in jabbing Sinovac as it doesn't protect at all against delta which is dominant."

If a vaccine helps reduce the risk of serious illness and helps the risk of death against delta, it does help protect.  Sinovac is NOT as good as Pfizer nor Moderna, but it does reduce risk.

Saying "doesn't protect at all against delta" is a massive spin and typical of the posts of many on this forum - who - I can only assume - they want the Thai people to wait for months (or more?) for a Pfizer and Moderna deliveries ... deliveries, which while speculated for delivery time and time again (but have not happened in any significant numbers OTHER than a USA donation)  will take many more months to be delivered. 

It must really bug them that Sinovac, while not as good as other vaccines, still helps reduce the risk for those who take it.

I don't mind at all if you name me

You don't quote any evidence again, but if you're referring to studies from a few months ago, effectiveness against Delta was negligible. Two recent studies from the last two weeks look more promising, but they are 1) Chinese, 2) small scale and 3) preliminary and not peer reviewed. And even in those studies, the limited effectiveness against Delta was after the second shot which you won't get! And as Sinovac has been available for quite some time, I am hesitant if some new studies with limitations of 1, 2 and 3, show very different findings anyway.

That is why I said: Rather than mix and match what may not be such a good idea as that's not properly researched either and again will depend on availability of AZ at the time (because shortages are why they consider it here in the first place), I personally would then prefer to skip the Sinovac until something more potent was available and protect myself with self-imposed restrictions until then, which I would do after only 1 shot of Sinovac as well.

So no, it was not false information, but you prefer to misquote and read it selectively then interpreting the results as if you received two shots Sinovac, which you don't.

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

1 minute ago, gummy said:

Possibly next month at my birthday party

I hope you can have more than one “vaccine” on your birthday, and don’t have to wait three weeks for a follow up or two, maybe three.

[Griff1315]

59 minutes ago, Bob20 said:

AZ gives the best result if you replace it with Pfizer.

But Pfizer's efficacy drops off much quicker.

[Bob20]

5 minutes ago, Griff1315 said:

But Pfizer's efficacy drops off much quicker.

Would you rather lose $5m dollars from your total $25m worth?

Or lose $1m from your total $1.5m worth?

Yes, losing $5m is more than losing $1m. 

But you're way better off in the end in the first example.

Same here.

No matter a faster decline. The end result is still better.

 

[gummy]

12 minutes ago, AdvocatusDiaboli said:

I hope you can have more than one “vaccine” on your birthday, and don’t have to wait three weeks for a follow up or two, maybe three.

I guess it will be ok to have multiple shots in quick succession.