Ivermectin warning

[Rotweiler]

Likely of interest to the watchers of developments in the medical scene.

https://us.cnn.com/2021/08/26/us/covid-ivermectin-arkansas-doctor/index.html

[Zool]

Not sure why the mainstream news is going full on crazy against ivermectin; it's being used to treat people successfully all over the world. It couldn't possibly be because the pharmaceutical companies don't want people using a cheaper more effective treatment, could it? You might think that the mainstream news might even be controlled by big pharma? No, it couldn't possibly be true.

[dmacarelli]

We have the drug cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc in our refrigerator, and it has been there since April of 2020. If I travel, I will take it with me. Several smaller studies done in various countries, have found this to be super effective in the treatment of Covid. If I get it, I will take this. Better something, than nothing, in my opinion, and the side effects of this combination, taken short term, are minimal. I am not afraid of Covid. But, I am getting vaccinated, as I think it is the responsible thing to do, if one can get a top vaccine, and I want to be prepared. This cocktail looks infinitely more effective than Ivermectin. 

In general, triple therapy with zinc, low-dose HCQ and azithromycin was well tolerated. After initiation of treatment in the 141 patients, 30 (21.3%) reported weakness, 20 (14.2%) nausea, 15 (10.6%) diarrhoea and 2 (1.4%) rash (Table 8). No patient reported palpitations or any cardiac side effects.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258

 

Conclusion This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.

40-word summary: Zinc sulfate added to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may improve outcomes among hospitalized patients.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

From a French study done last year:

Results: A total of 1061 patients were included in this analysis (46.4% male, mean age 43.6 years - range 14-95 years). Good clinical outcome and virological cure were obtained in 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%). Prolonged viral carriage was observed in 47 patients (4.4%) and was associated to a higher viral load at diagnosis (p < .001) but viral culture was negative at day 10. All but one, were PCR-cleared at day 15.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32387409/

Physicians all over the world have been using a combination of Hydroxychloroquine plus Azithromycin, reporting excellent statistics of viral clearing from the body in 3-5 days after starting treatment. Doctors have noted the treatment works much better if started in the early stages of infection.

https://lascolinaspharmacy.com/blog/hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-and-zinc-proposed-treatment-for-covid-19-infections/

Most importantly, this is the first clinical study to demonstrate the remarkable benefit of using cumulative doses of HCQ>3g/AZM>1g, compared to those not treated with this combination.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210602/HydroxychloroquineAzithromycin-therapy-at-a-higher-dose-improved-survival-by-nearly-20025-in-ventilated-COVID-patients.aspx

I could go on and on and on. And I do not need clinical studies, that are absolutely conclusive. That will take years. I just want some alternative treatment meds, at the ready. Beats the hell out of a hospital stay on a ventilator. And some risk is greatly preferred over death. 

 

 

 

[billywillyjones]

1 hour ago, Zool said:

Not sure why the mainstream news is going full on crazy against ivermectin; it's being used to treat people successfully all over the world. It couldn't possibly be because the pharmaceutical companies don't want people using a cheaper more effective treatment, could it? You might think that the mainstream news might even be controlled by big pharma? No, it couldn't possibly be true.

They are worried people may wake up to a low cost treatment.  There can be no options but the vaccine.  

[9S_]

2 hours ago, Zool said:

Not sure why the mainstream news is going full on crazy against ivermectin; it's being used to treat people successfully all over the world. It couldn't possibly be because the pharmaceutical companies don't want people using a cheaper more effective treatment, could it? You might think that the mainstream news might even be controlled by big pharma? No, it couldn't possibly be true.

Well Pfizer did donate $1 million to Joe Biden. His admin fast tracked FDA approval for Pfizer vaccine. 
 

The CEO of Epipens unilaterally increased the life saving drug prices by nearly 6x original cost. Her father Senator Joe Manchin (D)

[Bob20]

Regardless of the views here that it's all a scam for world domination, bribery by- and high income for big pharma etc. I really don't think that 930 baht for two shots of Pfizer that may save your life is very expensive.

AZ is also one of the big players, but already hardly selling in Europe, as it was first not used in under 60's anymore and it's now cancelled for boosters next year in favour of Pfizer as it's more effective with less side effects. Still they had huge R&D costs too. That is the risk they take. But then I don't begrudge them their profits.

Main point, 930 baht for 2 shots. Big pharma or not, I don't think it's expensive.

[billywillyjones]

7 hours ago, 9S_ said:

Well Pfizer did donate $1 million to Joe Biden. His admin fast tracked FDA approval for Pfizer vaccine. 
 

The CEO of Epipens unilaterally increased the life saving drug prices by nearly 6x original cost. Her father Senator Joe Manchin (D)

Yeah but how many of Hunter's masterpieces did they buy?

[Benroon]

On 8/27/2021 at 10:20 AM, 9S_ said:

Well Pfizer did donate $1 million to Joe Biden. His admin fast tracked FDA approval for Pfizer vaccine. 
 

The CEO of Epipens unilaterally increased the life saving drug prices by nearly 6x original cost. Her father Senator Joe Manchin (D)

Do you think maybe they fast tracked it as people were dying everywhere ?! Not everything has to be a conspiracy (outside Thaiger that is)  

Just a thought

[Benroon]

On 8/27/2021 at 11:56 AM, Bob20 said:

Regardless of the views here that it's all a scam for world domination, bribery by- and high income for big pharma etc. I really don't think that 930 baht for two shots of Pfizer that may save your life is very expensive.

AZ is also one of the big players, but already hardly selling in Europe, as it was first not used in under 60's anymore and it's now cancelled for boosters next year in favour of Pfizer as it's more effective with less side effects. Still they had huge R&D costs too. That is the risk they take. But then I don't begrudge them their profits.

Main point, 930 baht for 2 shots. Big pharma or not, I don't think it's expensive.

AZ from the start have stated it is a not for profit vaccine, and there were calls for that to be independently audited to make sure that’s the case but I’m not aware if that happened. 

One ironic tragedy is they have stated due to the levels of criticism they got they were unlikely to produce a not for profit treatment again!

Why some people think profit is a dirty word when it drives the jobs market baffles me! 

 

[dmacarelli]

On 8/27/2021 at 4:20 PM, 9S_ said:

Well Pfizer did donate $1 million to Joe Biden. His admin fast tracked FDA approval for Pfizer vaccine. 
 

The CEO of Epipens unilaterally increased the life saving drug prices by nearly 6x original cost. Her father Senator Joe Manchin (D)

The issue is not Biden. The issue is the FDA. Not exactly a vanguard for the public good. 

[dj230]

On 8/27/2021 at 3:48 AM, dmacarelli said:

We have the drug cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc in our refrigerator, and it has been there since April of 2020. If I travel, I will take it with me. Several smaller studies done in various countries, have found this to be super effective in the treatment of Covid. If I get it, I will take this. Better something, than nothing, in my opinion, and the side effects of this combination, taken short term, are minimal. I am not afraid of Covid. But, I am getting vaccinated, as I think it is the responsible thing to do, if one can get a top vaccine, and I want to be prepared. This cocktail looks infinitely more effective than Ivermectin. 

In general, triple therapy with zinc, low-dose HCQ and azithromycin was well tolerated. After initiation of treatment in the 141 patients, 30 (21.3%) reported weakness, 20 (14.2%) nausea, 15 (10.6%) diarrhoea and 2 (1.4%) rash (Table 8). No patient reported palpitations or any cardiac side effects.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258

Conclusion This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.

40-word summary: Zinc sulfate added to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may improve outcomes among hospitalized patients.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

From a French study done last year:

Results: A total of 1061 patients were included in this analysis (46.4% male, mean age 43.6 years - range 14-95 years). Good clinical outcome and virological cure were obtained in 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%). Prolonged viral carriage was observed in 47 patients (4.4%) and was associated to a higher viral load at diagnosis (p < .001) but viral culture was negative at day 10. All but one, were PCR-cleared at day 15.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32387409/

Physicians all over the world have been using a combination of Hydroxychloroquine plus Azithromycin, reporting excellent statistics of viral clearing from the body in 3-5 days after starting treatment. Doctors have noted the treatment works much better if started in the early stages of infection.

https://lascolinaspharmacy.com/blog/hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-and-zinc-proposed-treatment-for-covid-19-infections/

Most importantly, this is the first clinical study to demonstrate the remarkable benefit of using cumulative doses of HCQ>3g/AZM>1g, compared to those not treated with this combination.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210602/HydroxychloroquineAzithromycin-therapy-at-a-higher-dose-improved-survival-by-nearly-20025-in-ventilated-COVID-patients.aspx

I could go on and on and on. And I do not need clinical studies, that are absolutely conclusive. That will take years. I just want some alternative treatment meds, at the ready. Beats the hell out of a hospital stay on a ventilator. And some risk is greatly preferred over death. 

All the well done double blind placebo studies I have seen have proven it to be not effective in 2020, I also had azithromycin, hydroxychloriquine and zinc at my home until I read the studies. Only correlation studies prove it to work, and correlation does not prove causation.

 

  

On 8/27/2021 at 3:09 AM, Zool said:

Not sure why the mainstream news is going full on crazy against ivermectin; it's being used to treat people successfully all over the world. It couldn't possibly be because the pharmaceutical companies don't want people using a cheaper more effective treatment, could it? You might think that the mainstream news might even be controlled by big pharma? No, it couldn't possibly be true.

Quite the opposite, I have no opinion on Ivermectin but if there was any cheaper method to control Covid, it would be used everywhere. As governments would like to save money and also open up countries so their economy doesn't collapse. 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2021 by dj230

[noosard]

 Ivermectin will kill your worms and fleas  so that is a bonus

hydroxychloriquine will hopefully stop you getting malaria

a zinc block will stop your boat rusting

 

[KaptainRob]

10 minutes ago, noosard said:

a zinc block will stop your boat rusting

Corroding thru electrolysis, to be more precise. 

Ivermectin for human use is already a proven prophylactic despite Big Pharma's propaganda machine. 

[Bob20]

41 minutes ago, KaptainRob said:

Corroding thru electrolysis, to be more precise. 

Ivermectin for human use is already a proven prophylactic despite Big Pharma's propaganda machine. 

Not proven.

Only attempted to prove by showing invalid papers as I've shown in the ivermectin thread on CCC. They even had to change the title of one of the topics as it was "misleading" to say the least.

Even the manufacturer (Merck) says it doesn't work. The propaganda is not from the big pharma that you claim are out for profit, or they would research it and sell it big time already. The propaganda comes from you...

Don't pretend to the rest of us that it's safe, because that's not proven anywhere and I have discredited each attempt by the conspiracists on your circle. 

Besides, we don't care whether you choose paracetamol or have your own home remedy. We don't care whether you take the vaccine or choose something else like ivermectin either. 

But apparently you are so insecure that you need to hammer it down our throats. If you were so convinced, you'd just take it and be done with it.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Bob20

[Faraday]

Bit strident there, Bob!

[Bob20]

26 minutes ago, Faraday said:

Bit strident there, Bob!

Sorry , but it appears to be the only way with people who keep disagreeing without evidence, when proof to the contrary stares them in the face. You can check it on the CCC thread.

I've blocked most of them, because I'm not interested in hearsay or a few non-peer reviewed preprint papers, or some paper that doesn't use scientific methodology. That's all they ever come up with. They even lied about what's happening in Japan and had to change the thread's title because it was factually wrong and they couldn't hold their argument.

And as I said, if they want to take tapwater with a spoonful of sugar and believe that it works against covid, fine with me. No argument there. It's a free world. Just don't claim any scientific basis for it if it doesn't exist, just to falsely convince others.

That's all...

[KaptainRob]

50 minutes ago, Bob20 said:

Besides, we don't care whether you choose paracetamol or have your own home remedy. We don't care whether you take the vaccine or choose something else like ivermectin either. 

But apparently you are so insecure that you need to hammer it down our throats. If you were so convinced, you'd just take it and be done with it.

I am certainly not attempting to hammer it down anyone's throat nor am I insecure .. that's insulting, Bob.

We, who is 'we'? 
If "we don't care" that others may choose  herbal remedies or ivermectin over experimental drugs why are you debating issues here?

I have the choice of Pfizer. day after tomorrow, or wait, and stay healthy with a good knowledge of how to remain so.

[ninja]

1 hour ago, KaptainRob said:

Corroding thru electrolysis, to be more precise. 

Ivermectin for human use is already a proven prophylactic despite Big Pharma's propaganda machine. 

KaptainRob......... I didn't know that you which side of the boat you were on .   Good to hear that you feel

the same way about Big Pharma as some others here.   I have had a few personal occasions in my life that

explicitly pointed out how  stupid, or lying, or greedy,  or uncaring,  many physicians are .   Misdiagnosed, wrongly prescribed ,  totally unwilling to open their mind to any questions........ etc.

And Big Pharma has them in their pockets as well.   

[9S_]

2 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

The issue is not Biden. The issue is the FDA. Not exactly a vanguard for the public good. 

And who leads the FDA, definitely not the US Supreme Court nor Congress. 

[Bob20]

13 minutes ago, KaptainRob said:

I am certainly not attempting to hammer it down anyone's throat nor am I insecure .. that's insulting, Bob.

We, who is 'we'? 
If "we don't care" that others may choose  herbal remedies or ivermectin over experimental drugs why are you debating issues here?

I have the choice of Pfizer. day after tomorrow, or wait, and stay healthy with a good knowledge of how to remain so.

KaptainRob, this is the technique used by most in the CCC club. Deflection, not answering and switching subjects.

I wrote very clearly, it's a free world, just don't claim things that are factually and verifiably false.

You don't write about it anymore now, but you initially wrote "Ivermectin for human use is already a proven prophylactic despite Big Pharma's propaganda machine." That is false and that is my only problem with it. There isn't a single research paper that has been verified, peer reviewed and it hasn't entered into consensus. As I said, even the manufacturer says it doesn't work.

If a doctor would write down what the CCC club writes down, he would be struck off! If someone would take Ivermectin and end up with serious harm or die (which has happened to plenty of Ivermectin takers!!) then a doctor would be liable if there was no proper research to backup his advice.

Yet, every layperson thinks they can write it anonymously on social media or forums. They need to think what effect their false claims can have, same as if their full name and address were published next to it.

I don't mind if you want to bungy-jump on a shoe-string. Just don't claim it's a proven way to do it and encourage and endanger others.

As for your Pfizer, that's your choice too. And I hope you choose wisely according to your conscience, without making unnecessary false claims.

Cheers.

[JackIsAGoodBoy]

Even American universities finally are jumping in. The Wokenati is not yet all powerful, some dissidents out there still

COVID-OUT: Outpatient Treatment for SARS-CoV-2 Infection, a Factorial Randomized Trial

https://covidout.umn.edu/

 

 

 

 

 

[Faraday]

6 minutes ago, JackIsAGoodBoy said:

Wokenati

Never heard that before, it's quite apt though.

[KaptainRob]

11 hours ago, Bob20 said:

You don't write about it anymore now, but you initially wrote "Ivermectin for human use is already a proven prophylactic despite Big Pharma's propaganda machine." That is false and that is my only problem with it. There isn't a single research paper that has been verified, peer reviewed and it hasn't entered into consensus. As I said, even the manufacturer says it doesn't work.

If a doctor would write down what the CCC club writes down, he would be struck off! If someone would take Ivermectin and end up with serious harm or die (which has happened to plenty of Ivermectin takers!!) then a doctor would be liable if there was no proper research to backup his advice.

I seldom read the CCC section.  I do my own research into matters and do not feel qualified to publish nor debate most issues in a public forum.

CCC opinions, LINKS and articles notwithstanding, my research led me to reliable peer reviewed data in support of Ivermectin.  I also had a lengthy video conference with a Pharmacist of 40 years experience who owns a medical centre and he also supports all the findings.

Big Pharma cannot make money from Ivermectin as it's been off-patent for decades and Governments are therefore forced to not recommend it for Covid treatment.  The drug companies have not sought approval.  Pretty easy to understand why.

Your body your choice.  I'm not an anti-vaxxer but since there is a viable and safe treatment on hand I think I'll pass on taking an experimental drug until more data and perhaps travel needs make it necessary.

[Bob20]

6 minutes ago, KaptainRob said:

I seldom read the CCC section.  I do my own research into matters and do not feel qualified to publish nor debate most issues in a public forum.

CCC opinions, LINKS and articles notwithstanding, my research led me to reliable peer reviewed data in support of Ivermectin.  I also had a lengthy video conference with a Pharmacist of 40 years experience who owns a medical centre and he also supports all the findings.

Big Pharma cannot make money from Ivermectin as it's been off-patent for decades and Governments are therefore forced to not recommend it for Covid treatment.  The drug companies have not sought approval.  Pretty easy to understand why.

Your body your choice.  I'm not an anti-vaxxer but since there is a viable and safe treatment on hand I think I'll pass on taking an experimental drug until more data and perhaps travel needs make it necessary.

We are getting a little closer to agreement

Yet, there is no reliable research available into Ivermectin for human use with Covid. There just isn't. If you accept preprints or unscientifically composed comparative analyses, again, that's a personal choice, not evidence.

And the pharmacist should have explained that if Ivermectin were to be properly researched for use in humans with Covid, there would be a new formulation, license and patent as it's for a different indication. Lots of money to be made when all of a sudden it's a revolutionary treatment for humans. They will reduce the dose and production costs, yet hugely increase the price.

But you're absolutely right. Your body, your choice. That's what others say as well. Even if it costs them their life and they leave a family behind.

 

 

[KaptainRob]

6 minutes ago, Bob20 said:

there would be a new formulation, license and patent as it's for a different indication. Lots of money to be made when all of a sudden it's a revolutionary treatment for humans.

Strangely enough there is one under development by Merck, apparently.  There's no mileage in gaining approvals for the current formulation and so it will not become a scientifically proven treatment to any standard you may deem appropriate.

As for the deceased Texan I have no knowledge of what cocktail of supplements he was actually consuming, nor his overall health though he appears to have been somewhat obese.  I believe many people in regions of USA where drugs are prescription only or simply unavailable have resorted to using an injectable veterinarian version of Ivermectin which may have had adverse affects ... await the coroners toxicology report.