News Forum - US records over 100,000 patients hospitalised with Covid-19

[Thaiger]

Bad news: 100,000+ people are currently hospitalised with Covid-19 in the US. Good news (if you’re vaccinated): The the vast majority of this wave’s hospitalised patients are yet to be vaccinated. The latest surge of Covid cases sweeping the US is largely driven by the more transmissible Delta variant of the coronavirus. The more than 100,000, currently in US hospitals, in the first time that level of new infections has been reached since January this year. With the wide available of safe and proven vaccines now available across the country, medical workers and officials are mystified and say the current struggles […]

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[vlad]

Fake news and Scaremongering.

[AlexPTY]

I saw that more than 80 percent of hospitalized are not vaccinated and those are not vaccinated by choice. Sorry, have no pity for those.

[Richardd]

First of all, let us get to the real problem/ the media is telling the people 100,000 In the hospital with Covid in the USA. 100,000 people is actually less than one half of one percent. But since the media says 100,000 people the first thing we say is that’s terrible ( and it is) but no where in the article does it mention the percentage/ just goes to show you how powerful the media is in all countries and how they can mislead so many people 

[9S_]

They changed the way they count infections in the US. If you’re vaccinated and get infected you’ll only be counted unless your hospitalized. 

[ExpatPattaya]

Since medical and virology specialists have all noted that everyone will eventually get Covid 19, do not see how this is news anymore. 

If you refuse to get a free available everywhere vaccine in the US, then you will have a much higher chance of being hospitalized when you contract Covid 19.  

Personally cannot feel sympathy for those who refuse a vaccine anymore.  At some point hospitals may have to refuse treatment to those who are unvaccinated if they are full. 

Great news for the funeral industry though

[JackIsAGoodBoy]

Funny how majority of Israelis are vaccinated that end up hospitalized. Majority of deaths now 2:1 in England for vaccinated. They also conveniently choose the time period of May to July 25th. Nothing about the recent 5 weeks.

[billywillyjones]

1 minute ago, JackIsAGoodBoy said:

Funny how majority of Israelis are vaccinated that end up hospitalized. Majority of deaths now 2:1 in England for vaccinated. They also conveniently choose the time period of May to July 25th. Nothing about the recent 5 weeks.

Sad but true.  There is an expression you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink.  Mark Twain said it is far easier to fool someone than to ever have them admit they have been fooled.  

[Donald]

4 hours ago, ExpatPattaya said:

Since medical and virology specialists have all noted that everyone will eventually get Covid 19, do not see how this is news anymore. 

If you refuse to get a free available everywhere vaccine in the US, then you will have a much higher chance of being hospitalized when you contract Covid 19.  

Personally cannot feel sympathy for those who refuse a vaccine anymore.  At some point hospitals may have to refuse treatment to those who are unvaccinated if they are full. 

Great news for the funeral industry though

You seem to have some outspoken views on this topic, to which you are of course entitled. With regard to your remark about refusing treatment for the unvaccinated. Would you also extend that approach to other diseases resulting from lifestyles and behaviors ? No treatment for patients that contracted cancer because of an unhealthy life style. Or obesity, diabetes, drug abuse, people contracting HIV because of not wearing protection or having a promiscuous lifestyle. I can think of a large etc, so why would you single out people who just exercise their right to self determination ? Like I said in a previous comment. The governments have certainly succeeded to divide us and make us squabble while those in charge can continue to full their pockets and strenghten their grip on society.

[LoongFred]

• I was concerned until I saw it was from CNN the source of slanted news. I agree that vaccines help, but eventually we’ll all get it. Hopefully with a vaccine it will mostly be mild. 

[Rain]

7 hours ago, 9S_ said:

They changed the way they count infections in the US. If you’re vaccinated and get infected you’ll only be counted unless your hospitalized. 

The official numbers are only reflective by those that have been hospitalized. 

This is how it's always been done. During the height of the pre-vaccine era as well as the vaccine era. 

The hundreds of thousands that were infected [mild to moderate] and recovered are never included in the official/documented stat. 

All of it - from the period of Feb/Mar 2020 to the present - is incredibly deceptive. The numbers worldwide, less any particular countries, are incredibly skewed. Allowing the usual dumbed down populations to remain so.

Even today.....if one was to break down the ratio of total infections to deaths - still holding at around 00.1.5 percentile of deaths. And that only applies the "documented" cases. 

It's rare that we hear of, or promoted thereof, the millions upon millions that have recovered. 

Notwithstanding long haul issues. That's another chapter.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Rain

[vlad]

At the end of the day if your not vaccinated you run the risk. You can't come back crying cos you were not vaxxed end of. So stop mentioning other country's we don't live there. Concentrate where you live. 

[billywillyjones]

26 minutes ago, vlad said:

At the end of the day if your not vaccinated you run the risk. You can't come back crying cos you were not vaxxed end of. So stop mentioning other country's we don't live there. Concentrate where you live. 

There is no risk with a relatively untested rMNA vaccine?  Come on wake up.

[Bob20]

4 hours ago, Donald said:

You seem to have some outspoken views on this topic, to which you are of course entitled. With regard to your remark about refusing treatment for the unvaccinated. Would you also extend that approach to other diseases resulting from lifestyles and behaviors ? No treatment for patients that contracted cancer because of an unhealthy life style. Or obesity, diabetes, drug abuse, people contracting HIV because of not wearing protection or having a promiscuous lifestyle. I can think of a large etc, so why would you single out people who just exercise their right to self determination ? Like I said in a previous comment. The governments have certainly succeeded to divide us and make us squabble while those in charge can continue to full their pockets and strenghten their grip on society.

There is a sliding scale from inviting a medical problem because of a direct choice, to accidentally contracting it or it being congenital. 

There is also the matter of costs of healthcare, which was even before Covid getting out of hand in many countries.

In a perfect world we would all like a system free at point of delivery and paid for by taxes like in the U.K. (but without waiting lists ). But I am convinced that the time will come where either less conditions will be funded, or some contribution will be needed. And when for example iOS starts to collect more of your personal health details and Android follows, the point will come that an assessment can be made, similar to how your driving can now be monitored for a higher or lower insurance premium.

I think it will come sooner rather than later. Maybe first with more detailed questionnaires to get us used to it.

But with already overstretched healthcare budgets and the extra expenses for Covid and astronomical losses in the economy, it's going to have to be paid back and we're going to have to tighten the belt. This is just one of the ways.

[Meechai]

Yes all fine & well to consider un-vaccinated this & that but as vac rates rise & rise here in the USA we are also seeing cases rise & rise...So we yes the vaccinated are wondering WTF

 

By the way there is this fairly well know prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group

who just published this info

 

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/

 

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Meechai

[Soidog]

13 hours ago, Richardd said:

First of all, let us get to the real problem/ the media is telling the people 100,000 In the hospital with Covid in the USA. 100,000 people is actually less than one half of one percent. But since the media says 100,000 people the first thing we say is that’s terrible ( and it is) but no where in the article does it mention the percentage/ just goes to show you how powerful the media is in all countries and how they can mislead so many people 

Agreed. 100,000 people is a large football crowd. It’s nothing in a country of over 338,000,000. (0.03%)

[Spice61]

The point is Hospitalised??

Clogging up the system!

Holding beds that normal everyday emergencies cannot be seen or helped .

people dying because Covid patients holding beds and ventilators!

If they were vaccinated the Hospital system would have been freed up!!

Get Vaccinated or this shit will continue years longer and the Virus will mutate !

Get education on Viruses and not here say from Fox News AoN Newsmax who believe it’s a hoax?

Its not a Political Virus, but right wing people are getting thinned out , due to non belief in science and true facts !

[Bob20]

5 hours ago, Meechai said:

Yes all fine & well to consider un-vaccinated this & that but as vac rates rise & rise here in the USA we are also seeing cases rise & rise...So we yes the vaccinated are wondering WTF

By the way there is this fairly well know prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group

who just published this info

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/

Nice try...

You conveniently forgot that it should not be presented to a lay audience without highlighting that they are preliminary and have not been peer-reviewed.

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[Bob20]

2 hours ago, Spice61 said:

The point is Hospitalised??

Clogging up the system!

Holding beds that normal everyday emergencies cannot be seen or helped .

people dying because Covid patients holding beds and ventilators!

If they were vaccinated the Hospital system would have been freed up!!

Get Vaccinated or this shit will continue years longer and the Virus will mutate !

Get education on Viruses and not here say from Fox News AoN Newsmax who believe it’s a hoax?

Its not a Political Virus, but right wing people are getting thinned out , due to non belief in science and true facts !

The story is about the US. They have plenty of vaccines and if you're not vaccinated it's a choice.

Here in Thailand it's different. Just can't get a jab and must keep your fingers crossed that by the time you can, you're not in trouble already...

IT'S IDIOTIC TO OPEN THE COUNTRY WITH SANDBOXES AND ALLOW INTERPROVINCIAL TRAVEL ETC. AGAIN. THEY EXPOSE THE POPULATION TO MORE RISK BEFORE GIVING THE OPTION TO GET PROTECTED.

DID THEY LEARN NOTHING FROM SONGKRAN?

Edited August 28, 2021 by Bob20

[gummy]

Just now, Bob20 said:

The story is about the US. They have plenty of vaccines and if you're not vaccinated it's a choice.

Here in Thailand it's different. Just can't get a jab and must keep your fingers crossed that by the time you can, you're not in trouble already...

IT'S IDIOTIC TO OPEN THE COUNTRY WITH SANDBOXES AND ALLOW INTERPROVINCIAL TRAVEL ETC. AGAIN.

DID THEY LEARN NOTHING FROM SONGKRAN?

It is not a case of never learning more simply a case of loosing face by these goons to admit they were wrong

[HiuMak]

6 hours ago, Meechai said:

Yes all fine & well to consider un-vaccinated this & that but as vac rates rise & rise here in the USA we are also seeing cases rise & rise...So we yes the vaccinated are wondering WTF

By the way there is this fairly well know prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group

who just published this info

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/

People gets complacent and let their guard down when they are vaccinated and with easing of restriction lifted. They would go maskless, go into close contact, don't practise personal hygiene and sanitation, etc...... a necessity even when you are vaxed. Even though i am vaxed, I would practise living with covid like you never been vaxed before and not to be careless, albeit probability of infection is diminished, carrying of viral load and spreading to others maybe reduced and chances of hospitalization maybe lower. Everyone has to do their part to battle the virus

Edited August 28, 2021 by HiuMak

[Meechai]

1 hour ago, HiuMak said:

People gets complacent and let their guard down when they are vaccinated and with easing of restriction lifted. They would go maskless, go into close contact, don't practise personal hygiene and sanitation, etc...... a necessity even when you are vaxed. Even though i am vaxed, I would practise living with covid like you never been vaxed before and not to be careless, albeit probability of infection is diminished, carrying of viral load and spreading to others maybe reduced and chances of hospitalization maybe lower. Everyone has to do their part to battle the virus

Yes sure but again here in the USA we have a high percentage of vaccinated & are seeing things a bit different

Still careful & this state still in masks & need to use hand cleaner to enter store...take temps to enter offices and yet we are seeing things more like that Oxford study showed

What seems to be the truth is we have actually in our vaccinate attempts possibly created reduced symptoms for the vaccinated but because of that reduced symptoms also created super spreaders

That is what it looks like here & it seems other parts of the world is seeing the same thing. I understand there is no script for this & basically everyone is flying blindfolded but before we start touting the booster we should stop & take a good look

In any case we hope for the best but more & more feel like none really knows & to be hones it is not that bad here if one looks at death rates & not infections.

 

[Meechai]

2 hours ago, Bob20 said:

Nice try...

You conveniently forgot that it should not be presented to a lay audience without highlighting that they are preliminary and have not been peer-reviewed.

Hahah are you JingThing from the other forum?

Yes not "peer reviewed" does not mean this Oxford study was not conducted does it?

It is amazing how the cancel culture folks want to silence some & yet the other side of their mouths have no problem with say...Administering 200 million vaccines out in USA before even approved? Where those peer reviewed? Yeah didnt think so yet that was ok fine?

That cancel crap aside I could care less as I said what we see here in the USA is what that Oxford study also found......period

 

 

[DiggR]

21 hours ago, vlad said:

Fake news and Scaremongering.

So here is the flip side of the fake news "lies" as you put it:

97.8% of covid patients are unvaccinated

99.5% of ICU patients are unvaccinated

99.8% of resperator patients are unvaccinated

Scare tactics?, yup, aimed at those unwilling to face reality and the real world benefits of acknowledging and following science.

Those choosing not to vaccinate face health, social and monetary consequences, the price of "freedom".

[dmacarelli]

9 minutes ago, DiggR said:

So here is the flip side of the fake news "lies" as you put it:

97.8% of covid patients are unvaccinated

99.5% of ICU patients are unvaccinated

99.8% of resperator patients are unvaccinated

Scare tactics?, yup, aimed at those unwilling to face reality and the real world benefits of acknowledging and following science.

Those choosing not to vaccinate face health, social and monetary consequences, the price of "freedom".

Darwin was correct. Many of the most adamant anti-vax people end up in critical condition, in a hospital, and then start saying how wrong they were, and how everyone should get vaccinated. Amusing at best. Very sad really.

If a kindergartner has the courage to get a vaccine before starting school, what does that make an adult, who refuses?