News Forum - Thai police collaborate with UK to improve detainee conditions

[Thaiger]

The Royal Thai Police (RTP) has joined forces with the United Kingdom to enhance custody procedures and improve the living conditions for detainees at police stations across Thailand. This collaborative project aims to adopt a UK-based model to uplift safety standards and quality of life for those held in custody. Police General Thatchai Pitaneelaboot, the … …

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[Pinetree]

Why? 

[Fanta]

29 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

Why? 

Why not? 

[23RD]

Who in their right state of mind would take advice from The British Government, UK Police Farce or Prison Service after the state they made in The UK over the last 30 years. 

[Pinetree]

1 hour ago, Fanta said:

Why not? 

23rd answers that, above  

[ChrisS]

Why? These people know the conditions in custody in Thailand before they commit their crimes, if they still choose to commit them then only themselves to blame! Personally I would like to see all prisons as harsh as Thai prisons!

[Fanta]

3 hours ago, ChrisS said:

Why? These people know the conditions in custody in Thailand before they commit their crimes, if they still choose to commit them then only themselves to blame! Personally I would like to see all prisons as harsh as Thai prisons!

That’s nice but they are talking about police cells not prisons and a crime has yet to be proven. Regardless, detaining people in squalor is not acceptable. Plus someone needs to hold Thai police to account. They are infamously corrupt and would have dungeons and torture chambers if not for external scrutiny. 

[Pinetree]

8 hours ago, Fanta said:

detaining people in squalor is not acceptable.

Why? They are there for a reason; fxxk em. They may be drugged up, pissed out of their heads, suspected of being involved in serious crime, just being violent and obnoxious, unusually both. The RTP don't lock up people for no reason'.  A dose of squalor may do them good.     

[Khunmark]

15 hours ago, Pinetree said:

Why? 

Because of the assumption of innocence.

[Fanta]

34 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

The RTP don't lock up people for no reason'.

Too often the reason for locking people up is the same as the reason for letting them go - money. Shaking down businesses, extorting small time drug dealers and pocketing traffic fines is the most respectable part of the RTP’s culture of corruption. 
Some light reading - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Diamond_Affair

[Manu]

Why? I read in some comments... Cause it is called human rights based on humanism. It is the 21st century and we have evolved the past 100s years through knowledges and experiences and moved on from barbarian obscurantism of the past, surely there must be a good reason for this. I am pretty sure everyone asking why would not like to go back to that. Also you just never know what life could bring, everyone makes mistakes, you might one day ending up there for thousands of possible reasons (well, especially in this country), and I am very certain then you would like to be treated fairly, simply like a human being. The laws are here to deal with your case. Do not wish others to be treated the way you wouldn't like to be treated yourself.

[Pinetree]

1 hour ago, Khunmark said:

Because of the assumption of innocence.

That is over rated in holding cell incidents.  If a drunk gets picked up and banged up for 24 hours in a Thai ;police cell, there is no presumption, except of him/her/them being a knob end.  We are not taking prison here, we are talking about police holding cells.  I do wish people would actually read the report before hitting the key board. 

[Fanta]

24 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

That is over rated in holding cell incidents.  If a drunk gets picked up and banged up for 24 hours in a Thai ;police cell, there is no presumption, except of him/her/them being a knob end.  We are not taking prison here, we are talking about police holding cells.  I do wish people would actually read the report before hitting the key board. 

If only that was all there is to it. People spend weeks in police holding cells awaiting transfers and enjoying the revolving door of court to prison cell. Anyway, the point is that an improvement of the substandard conditions used for forcible detention is a good thing. Unless you’re a fan of ghettos and caged slums. 

[Pinetree]

18 minutes ago, Fanta said:

that an improvement of the substandard conditions used for forcible detention is a good thing

Who says what is sub standard? By what measure? All that is needed in a holding cell is a toilet arrangement , a wash basin and a place to sleep.  Nothing else is required.  I understand that Thai holding cells have those things.  The toilet may be an Asian one, or a bucket, the wash basin may also be a bucket and the place to sleep may be a raised concrete plinth.  Who is to say that is sub standard? By the way, long term detainees are not held for long in holding cells, usually less than 3 or 4 days and then only when the Courts are closed for holidays.  they are transferred to Detention Centers, which is a different issue. Many thousands of poorer rural families live in worse conditions, so its proportional for this society 

[Khunmark]

18 minutes ago, Fanta said:

If only that was all there is to it. People spend weeks in police holding cells awaiting transfers and enjoying the revolving door of court to prison cell. Anyway, the point is that an improvement of the substandard conditions used for forcible detention is a good thing. Unless you more a fan of ghettos and caged slums. 

Well said. It’s no secret that professional police forces throughout the world want it that way too. There is a positive correlation between substandard holding facilities and unruly inmate behaviour. Police and corrections officer unions lobby government hard for better facilities for this very reason.

[Fanta]

Just now, Pinetree said:

Who says what is sub standard

So you changed from “they get what they deserve” to bickering over standards. Your toilet is more hygienic than a police cell. 

[Khunmark]

6 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

Who says what is sub standard? By what measure? All that is needed in a holding cell is a toilet arrangement , a wash basin and a place to sleep.  Nothing else is required.  I understand that Thai holding cells have those things.  The toilet may be an Asian one, or a bucket, the wash basin may also be a bucket and the place to sleep may be a raised concrete plinth.  Who is to say that is sub standard? By the way, long term detainees are not held for long in holding cells, usually less than 3 or 4 days and then only when the Courts are closed for holidays.  they are transferred to Detention Centers, which is a different issue. Many thousands of poorer rural families live in worse conditions, so its proportional for this society 

Substandard in this instance means more than what you think it means. Inmates routinely hang themselves in your local jail. Has Thailand done an audit on hanging points in cells? Or do they specific protocols for emergency procedures? Are all jails equipped with cctv? These are some of the aspects of policing the article is referring to. Not just toilets and beds.

[23RD]

We're talking about shorterm holding facilities here probably 95% of the Falang held for short periods of time before a Court appearance will be there because a drink,drugs,driving or public order offence and from the odd few who will have been picked up on targeted operations. 

It a good short, sharp shock therapy for them and a good life lesson that if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. 

I was hoping they'd throw the book at the Soap Dodger who eat his traffic ticket the other day in Pattaya. 

[Fanta]

13 minutes ago, 23RD said:

Soap Dodger

Love it

[Pinetree]

2 hours ago, 23RD said:

I was hoping they'd throw the book at the Soap Dodger who eat his traffic ticket the other day in Pattaya. 

Most reasonable people would have thought that a short dose of Thai cell life would be good for that idiot.  He probably lives in worst squalor at his own place. 

[Skip]

15 hours ago, Khunmark said:

Substandard in this instance means more than what you think it means. Inmates routinely hang themselves in your local jail. Has Thailand done an audit on hanging points in cells? Or do they specific protocols for emergency procedures? Are all jails equipped with cctv? These are some of the aspects of policing the article is referring to. Not just toilets and beds.

Spoken like a true con... there are enough good people who are struggling everyday... let's support them... the criminal element can rot.

[Skip]

16 hours ago, Manu said:

Why? I read in some comments... Cause it is called human rights based on humanism. It is the 21st century and we have evolved the past 100s years through knowledges and experiences and moved on from barbarian obscurantism of the past, surely there must be a good reason for this. I am pretty sure everyone asking why would not like to go back to that. Also you just never know what life could bring, everyone makes mistakes, you might one day ending up there for thousands of possible reasons (well, especially in this country), and I am very certain then you would like to be treated fairly, simply like a human being. The laws are here to deal with your case. Do not wish others to be treated the way you wouldn't like to be treated yourself.

WAAA..... been kicking for 77 years... never locked up... wonder why... not everyone makes mistakes... the majority of people follow the law

[Skip]

17 hours ago, Fanta said:

Too often the reason for locking people up is the same as the reason for letting them go - money. Shaking down businesses, extorting small time drug dealers and pocketing traffic fines is the most respectable part of the RTP’s culture of corruption. 
Some light reading - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Diamond_Affair

You sound dodgy... I have been here for 20 years and never had one "run in"... when you live in the gutter one should expect that garbage will come your way.

[Khunmark]

2 hours ago, Skip said:

Spoken like a true con... there are enough good people who are struggling everyday... let's support them... the criminal element can rot.

Message to Skip. Skip urgent notification, Cowslip has hijacked your account!!

[Fanta]

3 hours ago, Skip said:

You sound dodgy... I have been here for 20 years and never had one "run in"... when you live in the gutter one should expect that garbage will come your way.

Sheep grazing in the field rarely concern themselves with more than the patch of grass in front of them. Being occasionally fleeced is the price they pay for being “left alone” without realizing that the fleecing is the only reason they are allowed to exist.