New Zealand in lockdown over a single case of the Delta variant

[noosard]

 

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

 

[Freeduhdumb]

Enjoy your slavery New Zealand!

"...the WHO is looking at new names in case they go through all 24 letters of the Greek alphabet."

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-variants-could-be-named-after-constellations-once-greek-alphabet-is-used-up-who-official-says-12376314

[billywillyjones]

"devastating outbreak in Sydney?"  

[BlueSphinx]

On 8/19/2021 at 5:33 AM, noosard said:

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

Thanks for posting this, it was easy to find on Google as many mass-media like AP simply did take over those CDC figures over to prove 'the stunning success of the vaccines' because the vast majority of the hospitalizations are allegedly among the unvaccinated. 

But a REAL fact-check learns that the CDC based the hospitalization-rate of the unvaccinated on the period January - May 2021 (in the early months of 2021 only a small number of people were vaccinated).  Furthermore you were only counted as 'vaccinated' two weeks after having had your 2nd jab. 

Using those tricks the CDC tried to sell 'a pandemic of the unvaccinated', to coerce people in taking the jab. But in meantime they had of course to change the story again, because it is of course simply not credible that the vaxxed/unvaxxed hospitalization rate in the US would be different than in similarly high-vaxxed countries like Israel or UK.  The reality being that the vaxxed/unvaxxed hospitalization rates are approx SAME as the vaxxed/non-vaxxed ratio of the population in that region. 

[ExpatPattaya]

1 hour ago, BlueSphinx said:

The reality being that the vaxxed/unvaxxed hospitalization rates are approx SAME as the vaxxed/non-vaxxed ratio of the population in that region. 

Could you post your reference for this claim.  I have friends and relatives in the USA who work in hospitals and this is not true at the hospitals they work in

[Smithydog]

2 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

The reality being that the vaxxed/unvaxxed hospitalization rates are approx SAME as the vaxxed/non-vaxxed ratio of the population in that region. 

 

There are a considerable number of reports highlighting the observation of medical professionals on what they are seeing and take them as you see fit.

As to basing opinions on accurate, reliable data to make any reasonable judgement, one way or another, especially involving Delta, I would suggest that we are simply too early in some regions to make an effective data based analysis.

Take for example the attached site reporting on the USA:

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

There are several things to consider. Not all US states are reporting the data. Some have only commenced collection of data over the last 2 months. Some is before Delta. The latest data for this analysis seems to be for late July and hence would include the influence of Delta.

Data is only compared on fully vaccinated people as being the standard. The term “vaccine breakthrough” is being applied to only those fully vaccinated (i.e. all doses received) and were fully vaccinated more than 2 weeks before being tested positive for Covid-19.

However, if the current data continues, it will clearly support the claim that a far greater number of unvaccinated people are being hospitalised when compared to fully vaccinated. It will be interesting to see.

As for a comparison with NZ, which is the country of subject for this topic, I would suggest their vaccination rate and low incidence levels of Covid-19 provide insufficient data to base any such opinion on.

 

 

[BlueSphinx]

1 hour ago, ExpatPattaya said:

Could you post your reference for this claim.  I have friends and relatives in the USA who work in hospitals and this is not true at the hospitals they work in

It is reasonable to assume that the delta-variant virus does not behave different in different geographies.  And so it makes sense to base preliminary conclusions on vax effectiveness on the data from countries that have robust, transparent and detailed data-collection systems.  The US is unreliable in that respect, but the UK and Israel - that like the US, also have a high vaccination-ratio - rigorously collect and publish their data, even though the interpretation of the data can vary widely.

Below a tweet from dr Clare CRAIG from HART, in which she states that the degree of Delta infections in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated is approx same as for the population.

Note that I also came across an article that the same goes for hospitalizations, but unfortunately I cannot find that one anymore.  However, I do agree with @Smithydog that more data are needed and that we need to follow this closely.  It is also to be expected that there is indeed at least some effect from the vax on hospitalizations/deaths (if not, it would mean getting jabbed is completely unnecessary).

The source of those data > see attached report

1191547607_ImpactofDeltaonviralburdenandvaccineeffectivenessagainstnewSARS-CoV-2infectionsintheUKdd2021-08-16.pdf

[Rain]

18 hours ago, billywillyjones said:

"devastating outbreak in Sydney?"  

Outbreaks and surges everywhere, actually. 

The end is near. 

Or....a new beginning?

[ExpatPattaya]

On 8/20/2021 at 2:18 PM, BlueSphinx said:

Below a tweet from dr Clare CRAIG from HART, in which she states that the degree of Delta infections in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated is approx same as for the population.

We were discussing hospitalizations.  Vaccinated people will get infected, but not seriously so do not need hospitalization.  90%+ of people hospitalized for Covid are unvaccinated.

[KaptainRob]

NZ cases now at 107, up 35 from yesterday and no doubt set to rise much higher despite enforced lockdowns.

Many businesses were already teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and Comrade Ardern will no doubt simply raise taxes to provide more social security hand-outs. 

Vaccinations are accelerating and kiwi's are behaving better than NSW/Vic residents for now, another 100 days may see the compliant attitude change.

[Guest]

https://swprs.org/meanwhile-in-australia/

[Guest]

 

Covid: New Zealand pandemic strategy in doubt amid Delta spread

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58297895

 

[Rain]

Another early successful player succumbing to the ever changing mutations and changing of societal attitudes and weariness. 

Appears to be the trend among the handful of countries that handled this mess incredibly well for the first 10/12 months.

 

 

[KaptainRob]

210 cases now.

Loved the Chris Hipkins "spead your legs" faux pas from a few days ago, see below>

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-chris-hipkins-amusing-slip-up-tells-kiwis-to-socially-distance-when-you-spread-your-legs/U3MBNTSREOMUKBFM4D3KRKGMEE/?utm_source=news_direct&utm_medium=nzh_email&utm_campaign=News_Direct_Morning_Headlines&uuid=ef2e46a7fc8e42fbb5e44205c21368fa

[billywillyjones]

Absolutely beyond common sense.  If anyone thinks there is not ulterior motives attached to these moves than I have a great deal on an ice bridge in the Sahara.  

[gavi]

On 8/19/2021 at 6:29 AM, gummy said:

Are you a New Zealander ? 

No,  but the globalist puppeteers that are using this pandemic for their political and economic objectives have got an international outlook, so it is OK to see what is happening in various countries, and to have an opinion on it.

The coordination of so many countries to enter lock-downs for very minor reasons is something to keep an eye on. It is very important to defend the individual freedoms that have been conquered with the blood of ancestors.

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

8 minutes ago, gavi said:

It is very important to defend the individual freedoms that have been conquered with the blood of ancestors.

And how would YOU defend it? Not everyone else, just you?

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

On 8/25/2021 at 10:05 AM, KaptainRob said:

210 cases now.

Oh, the Phuket Talley. mmmmm Good that Thailand has been given a relief in the news. Looks like These numbers are not a factor in who wants to travel …. Especially to the Sandbox. let’s see where the numbers go from here. Surely it’s not a “Big Joke”.

Edited August 28, 2021 by AdvocatusDiaboli

[KaptainRob]

429 cases in NZ as of today.

Interesting data can be viewed here > https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2020/05/coronavirus-covid-19-new-zealand-latest-data-cases/

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

24 minutes ago, KaptainRob said:

429 cases in NZ as of today.

Let’s see what Phuket reports tonight …. https://www.facebook.com/prphuket2018
Though the NZ report has a greater testing ratio I would believe. If NZ went from 1 to 429 in two weeks, what numbers has been hidden in Phuket? Less testing? Less reporting? Local political corruption hiding the real facts and numbers? Only the size of the brown envelopes will tell.

[AussieBob]

On 8/19/2021 at 7:53 AM, Hamosity said:

Well ………New Zealand for one:

“The BNZ-BusinessNZ Performance of Services Index (PSI) is at 57.9 points, a marginal drop of 0.5 from June, but well above its long term average of 53.9 for the survey.

A rating above 50 indicates growth.

Employment is also continuing to grow (55.2) at above average levels in the sector, despite a tight labour market.

BNZ senior economist Doug Steel said combined with last week's "blistering" Performance Manufacturing Index (PMI) employment reading, it set up Q3 to be another strong quarter of employment growth, and the nation's unemployment rate continues to lower.”

https://wwww.rnz.co.nz/news/business/449273/services-sector-and-employment-levels-continue-to-expand

“House prices were supposed to fall 15% or so, the unemployment rate rise to 10%, inflation plummet, and the economy to take 3-4 years to get back to its previous size.

But after falling just 3%, house prices subsequently soared 34%. The unemployment rate only rose to 5.2% and now sits back at its pre-covid 4%. Inflation has jumped to 3.3% and is set to soon exceed 4%, and the economy grew bigger than its pre-Covid size within six months.” 

https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/tony-alexander-winners-and-losers-from-the-reserve-banks-u-turn-on-interest-rates-40014

Yes there is some pain. Tourist operators are relying on local activity (not sustainable) and horticulturalist don’t have access to seasonal/backpacker harvesters. 
 
Like much in life there’s no valid binary position.

Apols for the crap editing. 
 

Australia is doing OK too

[Bob20]

On 8/19/2021 at 10:02 AM, noosard said:

Not thinking that all

The vaccine, it does not stop you getting the virus but chances of being badly effected or dying from it are greatly reduced 

figures of less than 10% for get sick, to less than 1% for dying compared to the unvaccinated

 

On 8/19/2021 at 10:33 AM, noosard said:

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

 

On 8/20/2021 at 12:38 PM, ExpatPattaya said:

Could you post your reference for this claim.  I have friends and relatives in the USA who work in hospitals and this is not true at the hospitals they work in

 

On 8/22/2021 at 1:28 PM, ExpatPattaya said:

We were discussing hospitalizations.  Vaccinated people will get infected, but not seriously so do not need hospitalization.  90%+ of people hospitalized for Covid are unvaccinated.

 

This thread is full of "likes" from the conspiracy believers, and some of their messages (which  can't read because I ignore them). They can feel free to do the same with me as I'm not interested in the argumentative nonsense they try to prove with fake papers.

Simple analogy: Consider the vaccine as a seatbelt.

If you have the same number of car-crashes, the ones wearing a seatbelt will have a less severe effect from the crash in most cases. There are always exceptions, but the general effect is clear.

That's the principle of the vaccine.

Next topic in the CCC section: Ivermectin against car-crashes! 

 

[BlueSphinx]

6 minutes ago, Bob20 said:

This thread is full of "likes" from the conspiracy believers, and some of their messages (which  can't read because I ignore them). They can feel free to do the same with me as I'm not interested in the argumentative nonsense they try to prove with fake papers.

Simple analogy: Consider the vaccine as a seatbelt.

If you have the same number of car-crashes, the ones wearing a seatbelt will have a less severe effect from the crash in most cases. There are always exceptions, but the general effect is clear.

That's the principle of the vaccine.

Next topic in the CCC section: Ivermectin against car-crashes! 

Nice analogy > consider the vaccine as a seatbelt.  

But it is a very special 'seatbelt'.  An experimental one which you cannot even take off once you did put it on.  And that non-removable seatbelt carries the risk of serious side-effects, either in the hours/days/weeks/months after you put it on or in the longer-term (the surprise factor).  And this amazing seatbelt does not even fully protect you from an accident (catching covid), it only reduces the severity when you do catch it.  The large majority of people easily survive a covid-accident without the seatbelt (some didn't even notice they had 'the accident').  Also the not fully protective effectiveness of the belt is fading after 6 months, triggering the need for booster seatbelts (every time with ever greater risk of serious side-effects when putting it on).  And last but not least that experimental seatbelt does not stop transmissability which is same as those not wearing one (actually it augments it because of the symptom suppression). 

Truly a wonderful product!  So, everybody queue up to get it - if not voluntarily then mandatory...

[noosard]

Dont take the vaccine 

The world wont care

if you cant do any travelling or shopping

Will only care if you take a bed in ICU which other sick people need

[AdamX]

On 8/18/2021 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Reeve said:

Even for a very popular prime minister like Jacinda Ardern, putting the country under lockdown over a single case should have been a tough sell to the people New Zealand.

However, a devastating breakout of the Delta variant in Sydney has galvanized New Zealand's "team of 5 million" – and the government's firm stance on Covid-19 has received widespread public support across the country. New Zealand was placed on level 4 lockdown on Tuesday, the highest level of restrictions, after the country reported its first local case of the Delta variant.

The announcement was met with surprise and considerable condemnation from international figures. Nigel Farage, a former politician and pro-Brexit campaigner, said Ardern had "lost her marbles." “Jacinda Ardern's zero Covid fantasy is nothing short of a never-ending nightmare,” claimed a broadcaster on GB News, a partisan UK television station that has struggled in the ratings.

However, the strongest overseas critics of its elimination strategy have been met with bemusement or resistance in the country. New Zealanders have repeatedly backed even the most difficult anti-Covid restrictions. According to survey commissioned by the Spinoff in February, around 80% of people thought the government's Covid-19 reaction was overall satisfactory, and 59% said it was "very good".

“If [international commentators] are surprised, they have not been paying attention,” says Dr. Siouxsie Wiles, a leading epidemic communicator in the country. “The vast majority of people in New Zealand understand what we are up against, and are supportive of our response,” Wiles says.

Source: The Guardian

Already we know that The Spinoff has received money from the government by way of subscriptions, NZ on Air and Creative NZ. Almost 2 and a half MILLION dollars from NZ on Air alone

The BFD | Do You Trust the Spinoff and Their Polling Company Stickybeak?

https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/08/27/do-you-trust-the-spinoff-and-their-polling-company-stickybeak/

Polls cannot be trusted at face value, especially when they tell you that turkeys vote for xmas.

And the Guardian is one of the worst offenders of parroting the views of the establishment.

What we can see are the demonstration and riots against lockdowns, which are far more indicative of what realy people actually think rather than some government funded poll