Protester in a coma, police say riot officers used rubber bullets

[Thaiger]

Police deny claims that live ammunition was shot at protesters last night outside Bangkok’s Din Daeng police station. A young protester was reportedly shot in the neck and critically injured outside the station, but officers held a press conference outside the Metropolitan Police Bureau today and said only rubber bullets were used to control the crowd. The protester, who has yet to be identified and is said to be around 20 years old, is in a coma and being treated in the intensive care unit, according to a statement from Rajavithi Hospital. A bullet was found lodged in his brain stem and […]

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[dj230]

So it was more fake news from protestors claiming it was live ammunition... this makes a lot more sense 

Edited August 17, 2021 by dj230

[HolyCowCm]

Typical 101 PR release.

[Tonyf]

Surely all that is required is a picture of the bullet 

[9S_]

If shot in the neck with real bullets shouldn’t you die? Especially since the picture floating around about the police officer using a shotgun

Edited August 17, 2021 by 9S_
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[MrStretch]

I think being shot in the neck with a rubber bullet, especially if it hit an artery or vein would be incredibly damaging.

[thai3]

Somebody is clearly lying as usual, Hospital says a BULLET lodged in his brain stem- but no doubt it will be claimed this adhered to those 'international standards' which are never revealed.

[colinneil]

Does  anybody actually believe the police?

I certainly dont, just a bunch of liars, they would find it difficult toi tell the truth, even if their lives depended on it.

Been involved with them on 2 seperate occasions, both times the ones involved lied.

[cmsally]

I presume there was no "question time" at this police conference. The first question should have been exactly how they were using those "rubber bullets" . Why did it hit his neck with enough force to break a vertebrae and get lodged in his brain stem? That surely doesn't follow international procedure.

[dmacarelli]

There comes a point in time where all credibility is lost. The RTP, Prayuth and anything to do with this heinous and totally insincere administration falls into that camp. Lost in space. Zero cred remaining. Nobody believes anything they say, and few promises are fulfilled. Sure signs of a failed PM and his goons. 

 

 

 

[Stardust]

57 minutes ago, cmsally said:

I presume there was no "question time" at this police conference. The first question should have been exactly how they were using those "rubber bullets" . Why did it hit his neck with enough force to break a vertebrae and get lodged in his brain stem? That surely doesn't follow international procedure.

You should read or watch thai tv the hospitals were the 3 who were shot put the bullets out and it weren' t rubber bullets. And there is a video that went viral where the incidents are on it. 

[cmsally]

15 minutes ago, Stardust said:

You should read or watch thai tv the hospitals were the 3 who were shot put the bullets out and it weren' t rubber bullets. And there is a video that went viral where the incidents are on it. 

Ah thank you, will check those later! Haven't had much time to check the news this morning, will take a look later!

Interesting that we now have proof of real bullets being used. Seems we have reached a turning point. For those that look at Burma and say "no way here", I disagree, firstly because of the fear factor and secondly because of the segregation/disconnection factor.

[Stonker]

3 hours ago, Tonyf said:

Surely all that is required is a picture of the bullet 

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Again, odd that hasn't happened .....

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, cmsally said:

Interesting that we now have proof of real bullets being used.

Do we?

 

I'm not saying they weren't, but "proof" of anything so far seems strangely absent ...

[stuhan]

So a hospital cannot determine the difference between a rubber bullit &  a real bullit, well that really gives you a lot of confidence in hospital doctors. I think it's another case of ZIP IT or else.

[Rain]

17 hours ago, thai3 said:

Somebody is clearly lying as usual, Hospital says a BULLET lodged in his brain stem- but no doubt it will be claimed this adhered to those 'international standards' which are never revealed.

What might International Standards be?

[gummy]

21 minutes ago, Rain said:

What might International Standards be?

Have a read of this, specifically 8.5.2 on page 29 of these  guidelines where it say the lower body should be targeted.  8. 5.6 declares it unlawfull to aim at the head. We know that the RTP have as much brains as a diseased ferret but surely some of them can read perhaps, can't they ? Or is it as they are a state sponsored mafioso type organisation that can act unlawfully with impunity ?

Of course all this assuming that the RTP's statement that they used rubber bullets as opposed to the doctor showing the world the actual bullet which was were removed from the victim is believable.

https://www.geneva-academy.ch/joomlatools-files/docman-files/Geneva Guidelines on Less-Lethal Weapons and Related Equipment in Law Enforcement.pdf

[thai3]

1 hour ago, Rain said:

What might International Standards be?

That's what the government claim they are keeping to when they roll out the water canon, tear gas and rubber bullets, nobody seems to know what they are

[dmacarelli]

17 hours ago, Stardust said:

You should read or watch thai tv the hospitals were the 3 who were shot put the bullets out and it weren' t rubber bullets. And there is a video that went viral where the incidents are on it. 

Lies, deceit, deflection, never taking responsibility for any issues or problems, failed leadership, corruption, human trafficking, sex trafficking, drug running, border officials on the take, protection of the police, immigration, customs and officials currently in power, in addition to gross malfeasance, and epic failure on the fight against Covid, are the stock in trade for the Prayuth administration. What else can be expected?

 

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by dmacarelli

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, thai3 said:

That's what the government claim they are keeping to when they roll out the water canon, tear gas and rubber bullets, nobody seems to know what they are

They're codified in the UNHR Commissions "Guidance on Less Lethal Weapons in Law Enforcement", which is a "Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials" published in 2020.

[Stonker]

4 hours ago, gummy said:

Have a read of this, specifically 8.5.2 on page 29 of these  guidelines where it say the lower body should be targeted.  8. 5.6 declares it unlawfull to aim at the head.  (snip)

https://www.geneva-academy.ch/joomlatools-files/docman-files/Geneva Guidelines on Less-Lethal Weapons and Related Equipment in Law Enforcement.pdf

That was a consultation document only - on the front page it clearly says "Text for Consultation".

The actual guidelines are at https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/CCPR/LLW_Guidance.pdf produced in 2020.

Contrary to what you claim, "specifically 8.5.2 on page 29" of your link does not "say the lower body should be targeted" - what it actually says, in full, is:

8.5.2 Kinetic impact projectiles should generally only be used in direct fire against the lower
body of a violent individual when a substantial risk exists of immediate serious injury to
either a law enforcement official or a member of the public. They are often used to
support operations where firearms are deployed and an accurate less-lethal option with
an extended range may reduce the likelihood of lethal weapons being used.

The operative word is "generally".  Very different. This was changed in the 2020 Guidelines to:

7.5.2 Kinetic impact projectiles should generally be used only in direct fire with the aim of striking the lower abdomen or legs of a violent individual and only with a view to addressing an imminent threat of injury to either a law enforcement official or a member of the public.

 

8.5.6 of your link was changed from "Unlawful Use" to "Potentially Unlawful Use" (very different), and extended from just "the head" to include the neck:

7.5.8 Kinetic impact projectiles should not be targeted at the head, face or neck. Rubber-coated metal bullets are particularly dangerous and should not be
used.

 

I'm not suggesting the RTP police use of rubber bullets was according to international norms and standards (FWIW, I don't think it was), just that what you've said is not correct.

[Stonker]

4 hours ago, gummy said:

Of course all this assuming that the RTP's statement that they used rubber bullets as opposed to the doctor showing the world the actual bullet which was were removed from the victim is believable.

When that happens then maybe we'll know.  Not before.

[gummy]

55 minutes ago, Stonker said:

When that happens then maybe we'll know.  Not before.

Already happened been shown in some Thai media outlets.

[gummy]

59 minutes ago, Stonker said:

That was a consultation document only - on the front page it clearly says "Text for Consultation".

The actual guidelines are at https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/CCPR/LLW_Guidance.pdf produced in 2020.

Contrary to what you claim, "specifically 8.5.2 on page 29" of your link does not "say the lower body should be targeted" - what it actually says, in full, is:

8.5.2 Kinetic impact projectiles should generally only be used in direct fire against the lower
body of a violent individual when a substantial risk exists of immediate serious injury to
either a law enforcement official or a member of the public. They are often used to
support operations where firearms are deployed and an accurate less-lethal option with
an extended range may reduce the likelihood of lethal weapons being used.

The operative word is "generally".  Very different. This was changed in the 2020 Guidelines to:

7.5.2 Kinetic impact projectiles should generally be used only in direct fire with the aim of striking the lower abdomen or legs of a violent individual and only with a view to addressing an imminent threat of injury to either a law enforcement official or a member of the public.

8.5.6 of your link was changed from "Unlawful Use" to "Potentially Unlawful Use" (very different), and extended from just "the head" to include the neck:

7.5.8 Kinetic impact projectiles should not be targeted at the head, face or neck. Rubber-coated metal bullets are particularly dangerous and should not be
used.

I'm not suggesting the RTP police use of rubber bullets was according to international norms and standards (FWIW, I don't think it was), just that what you've said is not correct.

So if you think from the article  "should generally only be used in direct fire against the lower
body of a violent individual "  is what I said, then clearly you have a poor understanding of my post as I simply quoted it from that article which you have now quite rightly highlighted the later 2020 guidelines have some variances to that.

[Stonker]

8 minutes ago, gummy said:

Already happened been shown in some Thai media outlets.

No it hasn't - all that has been shown is reportedly from thai social media, repeated in Thai media.