News Forum - Thai man arrested in Bangkok for firing gun while on meth

[Thaiger]

Police officers stormed a residence to arrest a drug-addled man who had been firing a gun from his apartment. The incident occurred in the Pom Prap Sattru Phai district of Bangkok, following a tip-off from a concerned citizen. The man in question, 33 year old Sombat from Chumphon, was apprehended on charges of possessing an … …

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[NonThaiKiwi]

Nutters on drugs seem to becoming more frequent in the news lately. 

[ChrisS]

1 hour ago, NonThaiKiwi said:

Nutters on drugs seem to becoming more frequent in the news lately. 

I wonder if it has anything to do with the dumbing down of drug laws?

[Skip]

10 hours ago, ChrisS said:

I wonder if it has anything to do with the dumbing down of drug laws?

OR... maybe the dumbing down of drug users... begs the question... if there were no drug laws would everyone use drugs

[Fanta]

32 minutes ago, Skip said:

if there were no drug laws would everyone use drugs

More people would experiment but not everyone would adopt the habit and most people phase out drug use as they mature. The criminalization of drugs forces them  underground meaning only the worst failures surface while education for the responsible use of drugs is suppressed. It’s difficult to have an open conversation or seek help regarding an illegal/taboo subject. Decriminalising some drugs, not all, offers more pros than cons to society as a whole. As an example, the vast majority of Thailand’s inmates are low level drug offenders serving onerous sentences. They’d be far more useful as productive tax paying members of society, not locked in a cage before release only to commit the same crimes again. 

[Skip]

2 minutes ago, Fanta said:

 They’d be far more useful as productive tax paying members of society, not locked in a cage before release only to commit the same crimes again. 

 Good luck with that...  

 

[Fanta]

22 minutes ago, Skip said:

 Good luck with that...  

That’s what drug rehab and social rehabilitation before re-entry into society is supposed to be all about. I’m not holding my breath for Thailand to adequately address those prerequisites for reducing recidivism. 

[Marc26]

1 hour ago, Fanta said:

More people would experiment but not everyone would adopt the habit and most people phase out drug use as they mature. The criminalization of drugs forces them  underground meaning only the worst failures surface while education for the responsible use of drugs is suppressed. It’s difficult to have an open conversation or seek help regarding an illegal/taboo subject. Decriminalising some drugs, not all, offers more pros than cons to society as a whole. As an example, the vast majority of Thailand’s inmates are low level drug offenders serving onerous sentences. They’d be far more useful as productive tax paying members of society, not locked in a cage before release only to commit the same crimes again. 

I live in a city where those policies have been an abject failure for decades

 

Going as far as decriminalizing hard drugs and offering a "safe supply" that has been such an unmitigated disaster that the party that introduced those insane laws that made us all less safe, that they have walked those ridiculous laws back in a little more than a year 

 

 

At some point you have to care for non-addicts as well

And in any place with lax drug laws and enforcement, it puts non-addict residents in harm and danger 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7187035

[ChrisS]

10 hours ago, Skip said:

OR... maybe the dumbing down of drug users... begs the question... if there were no drug laws would everyone use drugs

Can't dispute that most drug users are dumb, however harsher penalties for drug offences would deter some and would allow for the removal off the streets for those that persisted.

[Marc26]

3 hours ago, ChrisS said:

Can't dispute that most drug users are dumb, however harsher penalties for drug offences would deter some and would allow for the removal off the streets for those that persisted.

Agree 100%

 

Hard drug users don't respond to being coddled 

 

They will take advantage of that every single time

 

And as I mentioned above

At some point the government has to care about non-addicts over addicts 

 

Our safety has to take precedence over someone who deicided they want to shoot meth all day

[Skip]

22 hours ago, Fanta said:

That’s what drug rehab and social rehabilitation before re-entry into society is supposed to be all about. I’m not holding my breath for Thailand to adequately address those prerequisites for reducing recidivism. 

Or anywhere else in the world... when it gets to the point that criminals of any variety are treated better than the rest of the people there is 100% recidivism... that's where we are now.

[Skip]

13 hours ago, ChrisS said:

Can't dispute that most drug users are dumb, however harsher penalties for drug offences would deter some and would allow for the removal off the streets for those that persisted.

That has never been proven... for whatever reason harsher penalties haven't slowed down drug use period

[Fanta]

4 hours ago, Skip said:

when it gets to the point that criminals of any variety are treated better than the rest of the people there is 100% recidivism... that's where we are now.

Yeah, these Thai inmates are clearly living large. Do you envy them? 

[Skip]

19 hours ago, Fanta said:

Yeah, these Thai inmates are clearly living large. Do you envy them? 

Living large... NO  But they are living the lifestyle that they have chosen... and it is better than many others that starve on a daily basis... and yet they choose NOT to do drugs.

[Fanta]

10 minutes ago, Skip said:

Living large... NO  But they are living the lifestyle that they have chosen... and it is better than many others that starve on a daily basis... and yet they choose NOT to do drugs.

So you have gone from “prisoners live better than us” to “they deserve what they get”. How long until you just start lining them up against the wall to save time & money? Removing an offender from society and daily life is the punishment. not the actual prison (eg: home arrest) How that “time out” is used can make the difference between a return appearance or becoming a useful member of society. Rehabilitating behavior helps and all inmates should have that opportunity. I also realise that some people are an absolute waste of oxygen. 

[Skip]

2 hours ago, Fanta said:

 I also realise that some people are an absolute waste of oxygen. 

EDIT... should read... "I also realize that MOST criminals are an absolute waste of oxygen."

Becoming a "useful member of society " has escaped them.

[Fanta]

11 minutes ago, Skip said:

EDIT... should read... "I also realize that MOST criminals are an absolute waste of oxygen."

Becoming a "useful member of society " has escaped them.

That’s the spirit! 2 or more convictions are absolutely not the consequences of poor life decisions and clearly a sign of irreversible moral decay. Off with their heads!  

[Skip]

19 hours ago, Fanta said:

That’s the spirit! 2 or more convictions are absolutely not the consequences of poor life decisions and clearly a sign of irreversible moral decay. Off with their heads!  

Spoken like a true con...