Private messages must remain confidential: Vote against the EU Chat Control!

[BlueSphinx]

Hello, I just signed the petition to the Members of the European Parliament: "Private messages must remain confidential: Vote against the EU Chat Control!"
This proposal would allow the scanning all our private messages, including encrypted ones. While aimed at fighting crime, it’s a serious invasion of privacy and could lead to mass surveillance and misuse.
Please join me in signing the petition. Thank you so much!

Click here: https://cgo.ac/scR0eXlf

Thanks!

[McTavish]

Already, nothing on the 'net is private unless end-to-end encrypted, and even then security conscious persons use another means to communicate which does not require sending/receiving.

Smoke and Mirrors 

[AussieBob]

I am OK with 'security agencies' being able to access anyone's messages in the line of duty.  However, this basic centralised EU agency 'review' of all messaging and referral to police of anything thought to be 'suspicious' is totally wrong and is an invasion of privacy. Not only that (which is enough), it will also incur a massive resource drain on the police who are already stretched, because most of the reports will be 'nothing'.  And on top of that, the social stigma of having a Police visit could have you labelled as a paedophile or domestic abuser. Only ignorant out of touch woke progressive public servants could think this was a good idea - and there are a lot of them in the EU. 

[Thaidup]

  On 10/15/2024 at 7:01 AM, McTavish said:

Already, nothing on the 'net is private unless end-to-end encrypted, and even then security conscious persons use another means to communicate which does not require sending/receiving.

Smoke and Mirrors 

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I heard something about an end to end encrypted message app owner being arrested? I think it is called Telegram,

As far as I can tell so far, the EU does not want people talking amongst themselves unless they know what you are talking about.

Am I wrong?

I mean if they suspect that criminal activity is taking place they can provide the suspicion and evidence to a court and get a warrant, No?

[Thaidup]

  On 10/18/2024 at 8:31 PM, Thaidup said:

I heard something about an end to end encrypted message app owner being arrested? I think it is called Telegram,

As far as I can tell so far, the EU does not want people talking amongst themselves unless they know what you are talking about.

Am I wrong?

I mean if they suspect that criminal activity is taking place they can provide the suspicion and evidence to a court and get a warrant, No?

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This would be a good hind site example,

Imagine if back in 1933, people in Germany where talking over an encrypted app about how to overthrow the government and bring democracy back to Germany? Im sure that the German government would have wanted access to all social media DM.s  as the EU want now.

Its a NAZI style invasion of privacy, right or wrong, whats private is private, If you are doing illigal stuff than get a warrant and face the law.

This "Big Brother" crap is getting worse every decade, and it needs to stop. No-one likes the government peeping over their shoulder watching what they are doing, the government should get back to their job of protecting our borders and citizens.

[McTavish]

  On 10/18/2024 at 8:31 PM, Thaidup said:

I heard something about an end to end encrypted message app owner being arrested? I think it is called Telegram,

As far as I can tell so far, the EU does not want people talking amongst themselves unless they know what you are talking about.

Am I wrong?

I mean if they suspect that criminal activity is taking place they can provide the suspicion and evidence to a court and get a warrant, No?

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Telegram is not secure.  Signal is one of the best apps but all can be intercepted and decrypted by agencies such as ASIO and NSA .

Spies and savvy crims use other methods to communicate.  Actually, anyone can set up and use the email/draft folder method.

[Manu]

  On 10/20/2024 at 4:59 AM, McTavish said:

Telegram is not secure.  Signal is one of the best apps but all can be intercepted and decrypted by agencies such as ASIO and NSA .

Spies and savvy crims use other methods to communicate.  Actually, anyone can set up and use the email/draft folder method.

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Sky ECC was the most used one by organised crime worlwide until 2021 as police in Belgium, The Netherlands and France together eventually managed to crack it (Sky ECC has promised 1 million euros to anyone who would crack it, not sure if the police asked for it at the end though he he). All this has been known to the public much later, 100s of criminals were arrested around the globe. I remember reading an article about it, one of the french policeman was saying that while it was successful to arrest criminals, it was also a disaster in the privacy matter as 10 000s of people have also been spied on. So yes, the EU Chat control is definitely a bad move for privacy. That also means loads of data stored somewhere which could be ending evntually in any hands.

[ParaMagic]

  On 10/18/2024 at 10:09 AM, AussieBob said:

I am OK with 'security agencies' being able to access anyone's messages in the line of duty.  However, this basic centralised EU agency 'review' of all messaging and referral to police of anything thought to be 'suspicious' is totally wrong and is an invasion of privacy. Not only that (which is enough), it will also incur a massive resource drain on the police who are already stretched, because most of the reports will be 'nothing'.  And on top of that, the social stigma of having a Police visit could have you labelled as a paedophile or domestic abuser. Only ignorant out of touch woke progressive public servants could think this was a good idea - and there are a lot of them in the EU. 

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"I am OK with 'security agencies' being able to access anyone's messages in the line of duty."

This contradicts your subsequent opinions in this comment... 

[AussieBob]

  On 2/12/2025 at 12:22 AM, ParaMagic said:

"I am OK with 'security agencies' being able to access anyone's messages in the line of duty."

This contradicts your subsequent opinions in this comment... 

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I am OK with 'security agencies' but only in their 'line of duty'.  Meaning they are investigating a person under 'due process' and they are investigating a security/criminal matter - eg. a person suspected of planning to do a terrorist act.  Those words 'due process' mean following all the standard processes (which I know about) and part of that is 'request and approval'.  Many different levels involved, and those processes vary from country to country. In USA you need a Court Order for some things, but not in Australia. IMO that is why there has been so few terrorist attacks in Australia.

However, I am against a "centralised EU agency 'review' of all messaging and referral to police of anything thought to be 'suspicious' is totally wrong and is an invasion of privacy.  A "centralised agency" means a bunch of public servants in an office - like the liberal woke group in Twitter and Facebook before they were removed. 

Those are not the same things, and if you cannot see that, then you need to rethink your logic. This might help.  

Imagine a 'centralised office' that decides what 1000 random people's homes will be 'inspected' today in order to see if they have drugs, stolen goods, slaves, etc etc.  Obviously wrong - right?  If you did not know this, there are strict 'due processes' under which a security agency can investigate a person's life - financial and personal - and included in that process is 'approvals' and records of those requests and approvals. 

Lets not get political, but anyone could see that the 'centralised agency' under Biden specifically targeted a political opponent - they lodged court cases without any evidence of a crime, and they instigated home invasions/inspections using brute force. That sort of power and lack of control can and has been abused by both sides of politics in many countries - that is why whatever is done has to follow 'due process'. The selecting of a person for no 'real' security reason, or the random checking of 1000 people, is unacceptable and an invasion of privacy.  That right to privacy is critical to protecting people from being targeted by any malicious Government or Agency.  

 

  

 

[cowslip]

  On 10/13/2024 at 2:14 AM, BlueSphinx said:

Hello, I just signed the petition to the Members of the European Parliament: "Private messages must remain confidential: Vote against the EU Chat Control!"
This proposal would allow the scanning all our private messages, including encrypted ones. While aimed at fighting crime, it’s a serious invasion of privacy and could lead to mass surveillance and misuse.
Please join me in signing the petition. Thank you so much!

Click here: https://cgo.ac/scR0eXlf

Thanks!

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So you are in the EU?

[AussieBob]

  On 2/27/2025 at 6:18 AM, cowslip said:

So you are in the EU?

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WTF are you to question his actions? 

[cowslip]

  On 2/28/2025 at 6:47 AM, AussieBob said:

WTF are you to question his actions? 

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"Vote against the EU Chat Control!" - he can't vote! neither can you!

[AussieBob]

He can if he is an EU citizen you Wally.  

By the way - this woke liberal lunacy, that people like you support, has been withdrawn. I am sure it was not because the woke liberal bureaucrats realised it was stupid, but because so many people complained about it, that they had no choice but to pull back on it. 

[Mamachigawa]

Nothing is secure except governments own  communications, then they hack each other still

A smart phone or even the tv in you parlour can be watching YOU  even when it is supposedly off

[Tippaporn]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:10 PM, Mamachigawa said:

Nothing is secure except governments own  communications, then they hack each other still

A smart phone or even the tv in you parlour can be watching YOU  even when it is supposedly off

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Yup.  No communication is safe these days.  Even if I whisper something to my wife whilst we are outdoors  and all alone it seems that people still find out what I said.

[SnapDragon]

  On 3/28/2025 at 7:40 AM, Tippaporn said:

Yup.  No communication is safe these days.  Even if I whisper something to my wife whilst we are outdoors  and all alone it seems that people still find out what I said.

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Indeed! Happens all the time in our village.

Secret footy talk. ''Don't tell anyone I said this. But, you have lovely hair.''

[cowslip]

trump and Co don't seem to have got the hang of it - of cpourse it doesn't help is you invite people in or being in Moscow at the time!

https://news.sky.com/story/atlantic-magazine-publishes-more-texts-shared-on-group-chat-about-war-plans-13336110

[Tippaporn]

  On 3/28/2025 at 10:20 AM, cowslip said:

trump and Co don't seem to have got the hang of it - of cpourse it doesn't help is you invite people in or being in Moscow at the time!

https://news.sky.com/story/atlantic-magazine-publishes-more-texts-shared-on-group-chat-about-war-plans-13336110

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[cowslip]

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[Tippaporn]

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Why not stay on topic?  Trump obsession much?  Obsessions are not rational.  As evidenced by your comments.

[AussieBob]

  On 3/29/2025 at 1:13 AM, Tippaporn said:

Why not stay on topic?  Trump obsession much?  Obsessions are not rational.  As evidenced by your comments.

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