Doctor whose family died of Covid-19 urges private import of vaccines

[gummy]

1 minute ago, AlexPTY said:

spot on @gummy, i had a choice to get Sino or wait 2 weeks and get an AZ. Med staff should've been bolstered with Pfizer, which already has a bad name with regards to Delta. At this stage, it's a lottery as vaccine do not protect against infection at all, our body immune system does.

Like Michelin too, but they do make them in Thailand

Yes, they have a manufacturing facility in Laem Chabang and a facility just outside of Hat Yai

[AdamX]

19 hours ago, Stonker said:

No they're not - they're supposed to reduce them.

Why keep repeating something you know to be wrong?

Lets agree to disagree.

[dmacarelli]

Defiance and civil disobedience in the face of malfeasance, neglect and government imposed sabotage of the economy is always a good thing. So, whatever needs to be done, should be done now.

Both Anutin and Prayuth should have resigned, or been replaced in March of 2020, after Covid broke out. They were both in way over their heads long before Covid came around. Anutin lacks experience, a background in the health field, and the only reason he was appointed, and is still in this position, is due to the power and the influence he has over his party. There is NO other reason. 
 
Get out. Get out now. Hopefully the people will no longer stand for incompetence. Not during an emergency. Not now. 
 
You completely blew the vaccination program!
 
You blew the response to Covid!
 
You blew the response to the outbreak in Samut back in December, which led to the 2nd wave!

You did not lock down Bangkok as promised, allowing Covid to spread all over the nation. We know who is responsible for the current state of affairs. 
 
What have you gotten right? It now appears the lack of cases during the 1st wave was dumb luck. 

So many questions, and so few answers.
1. Why are the good vaccines still many months away?
2. Why not Pfizer in the interim?
3. Why can't the private sector import the vaccines directly? Why does the stunningly incompetent government and health ministry need to be involved?
4. Why was there seemingly no planning, when it comes to the vaccination program?
5. Is this really the best they can do?
6. Why has Anutin not been replaced? His political connections aside, Thailand really needs competent leadership at this emergency juncture.
7. Is the government here (and possibly worldwide) totally bought and paid for, by Big Pharma?
8. Do the people of Thailand finally see how they have been misled, mishandled, bamboozled, forsaken, and abused by the hapless army, and the goons in charge? If they could not see it before, it is so obvious now. 

99.9% of the Thais I talk to are so far beyond fed up. And if the 10% who drank the kool-aid still believed, after this latest covid debacle, Prayuth, Anutin and the gang have been truly unmasked to a humiliating and inglorious degree.
 
Who could possibly still have any faith in their competence, and sincerity, at this point? 

Speaking of the dangerous crowds at the Bang Sue vaccination center, there is always an excuse from this goon, and never a good one. He will never, ever take responsibility for anything. Real men own up. Real men admit mistakes. Juveniles are in a constant state of denial. Of course it could be helped, if you had any interest whatsoever, in doing your job properly. One of your duties, if I may inform you, is to make sure everyone gets vaccinated, with a plentiful supply of vaccines, from all over the world, regardless of cost. And making sure the people have many safe, easy, convenient, quick and comfortable places to get vaccinated. As if setting up multiple locations is rocket science.
 
And speaking of rocket science, you fools are actually contemplating a space program, when you cannot even get it together to set up multiple vaccine center locations, and you cannot even plan sufficiently to have a large enough quantity of vaccines ready for when they are needed? Shame on you. Shame on you for your continued lies, deflections, blame, and labels. You behave like an infant. You are despised to no end. You are hated, disrespected, likely have an approval rating of less than 1%, and have less than zero credibility, just like your creepy boss. 
 

[Chaimai]

1 hour ago, AdamX said:

Lets agree to disagree.

 

I always find that the person who says this has lost the argument. 

 

These vaccines are intended to limit the effects of the virus - they do not guarantee to prevent transmission.

 

Nothing to agree or disagree about....... a simple fact.

 

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210203-why-vaccinated-people-may-still-be-able-to-spread-covid-19

[Stonker]

3 hours ago, AdamX said:

Lets agree to disagree.

No - I'm happy to disagree over opinions, which we're all entitled to, but what you're saying is factually completely incorrect and untrue.

[AdamX]

2 hours ago, Chaimai said:

I always find that the person who says this has lost the argument. 

These vaccines are intended to limit the effects of the virus - they do not guarantee to prevent transmission.

Nothing to agree or disagree about....... a simple fact.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210203-why-vaccinated-people-may-still-be-able-to-spread-covid-19

We were told that vaccines were the answer. We were never told that they only reduced symptoms

Now we are being told that vaccines do not prevent transmission and reinfection at rates of up to 50%— so what on earth is the point of taking them and implementing lockdowns—especially when the vast majority have mild to zero symptoms, or if you are happy to get natural immunity?

The goalposts were moved and no amount of semantics changes this.

Just ask the average person what their expectations are and what we were promised of vaccines 18 months ago.

 

 

[AdamX]

27 minutes ago, Stonker said:

No - I'm happy to disagree over opinions, which we're all entitled to, but what you're saying is factually completely incorrect and untrue.

So the smallpox, chickenpox, measles have the same transmission and reinfection failure rate as the mrna gene therapy?

[Chaimai]

42 minutes ago, AdamX said:

We were told that vaccines were the answer. We were never told that they only reduced symptoms

Now we are being told that vaccines do not prevent transmission and reinfection at rates of up to 50%— so what on earth is the point of taking them and implementing lockdowns—especially when the vast majority have mild to zero symptoms, or if you are happy to get natural immunity?

The goalposts were moved and no amount of semantics changes this.

Just ask the average person what their expectations are and what we were promised of vaccines 18 months ago.

 

 

Whilst some protection against infection is afforded, the primary function is to avoid serious effects of the virus. That will prevent death and any pressure on health services and ICU. 

 

You will surely understand that scenario enables a country to open up again.......look at recent sporting events in Europe where non-mask-wearing capacity crowds were evident. Case numbers will inevitably rise a little but those infected are more likely to experience only mild symptoms - if any....simplistically, a flu-like experience.

 

Yesterday the UK had 26,750 cases with 61 deaths, France 44 deaths, Italy 19, Germany 3, Netherlands 3, Greece 17.......

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, AdamX said:

So the smallpox, chickenpox, measles have the same transmission and reinfection failure rate as the mrna gene therapy?

No, what you claimed was that 

"Vaccines are supposed to stop infection and transmission. The mrna gene therapy appears to be unable to satisfy these criteria."

 

It's simply not true - very few vaccines do that, nor is it what vaccines are "supposed" to do.

 

It's simply wrong.

[Stonker]

2 hours ago, AdamX said:

We were told that vaccines were the answer. We were never told that they only reduced symptoms

Now we are being told that vaccines do not prevent transmission and reinfection at rates of up to 50%— so what on earth is the point of taking them and implementing lockdowns—especially when the vast majority have mild to zero symptoms, or if you are happy to get natural immunity?

The goalposts were moved and no amount of semantics changes this.

Just ask the average person what their expectations are and what we were promised of vaccines 18 months ago.

Let's keep it simple.

 

Name anyone in any position of medical or scientific responsibility who told or promised you this.

 

Anyone at all.

 

It never happened - you can't blame others for your own ignorance just because you refused to listen to what you were told.

[BlueSphinx]

On 8/15/2021 at 8:19 AM, Stonker said:

On 8/15/2021 at 6:47 AM, AdamX said:

Vaccines are supposed to stop infection and transmission. The mrna gene therapy appears to be unable to satisfy these criteria.

No they're not - they're supposed to reduce them.

Why keep repeating something you know to be wrong?

AdamX is correct in the sense that the vaccines were 'sold' to the public as preventing infection and transmission.  It's correct that the 'small print' in that promise only claimed that it would 'greatly reduce' infection and transmission rates. 

So it's rather snarky to now use the 'Never told you so' argument, while at same time touting the new promise that these vaccines are great at reducing hospitalization and deaths.  But the health authorities claiming that latter one (that it is a 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' and that the vaccinated are protected by the jab) won't get away with that LIE so easy this time. 

[OnbekendeNederlander]

Who is wrong, Who is  right.... 

We will know... Later... Listen now... 

https://thelibertyloft.com/doctors-warn-covid-19-mrna-shots-have-long-lasting-effects-but-offer-advice-if-youve-submitted-to-experiment/

[Stonker]

57 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

AdamX is correct in the sense that the vaccines were 'sold' to the public as preventing infection and transmission.  It's correct that the 'small print' in that promise only claimed that it would 'greatly reduce' infection and transmission rates. 

So it's rather snarky to now use the 'Never told you so' argument, while at same time touting the new promise that these vaccines are great at reducing hospitalization and deaths.  But the health authorities claiming that latter one (that it is a 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' and that the vaccinated are protected by the jab) won't get away with that LIE so easy this time. 

Not "snarky" at all - the reality was abundantly clear, and if someone's so stupid that they think they were told something else when they very clearly weren't they only have themselves and the idiots who have deliberately muddied the waters to blame.

[AdamX]

5 hours ago, Stonker said:

Let's keep it simple.

Name anyone in any position of medical or scientific responsibility who told or promised you this.

Anyone at all.

It never happened - you can't blame others for your own ignorance just because you refused to listen to what you were told.

These are semantic gymnastics.

The expectation for any vaccine, by any reasonable person is virtual elimination of the chance of transmission or reinfection, yet we find yourself being told that not only do they not work, you need ongoing booster shots.

On this basis, the vaccine could kill you, and you would say, "they never said it would not kill you". The logical fallacy in your point is obvious, and I'm sure there is actually a name for it. This technique allows to to say anything in future about anything. 

Thank you for your response, and respectfully, I've made my point and I think the readers can decide for themselves

[Stonker]

3 hours ago, AdamX said:

These are semantic gymnastics.

"Semantic gymnastics"?

 

So you can't name a single person who told you or promised you what you claim?

 

Not one?

 

Any "reasonable person" would conclude that in that case it didn't happen!

3 hours ago, AdamX said:

The expectation for any vaccine, by any reasonable person is virtual elimination of the chance of transmission or reinfection,...

Only if they took zero interest in what was going on around them.

3 hours ago, AdamX said:

... yet we find yourself being told that not only do they not work, you need ongoing booster shots.

Well what a surprise:  what you now "find yourself being told" has no connection with what you're actually being told by anyone in a position of authority or connected with any of the vaccines at all - name any that have told you "they do not work".

Anyone at all .....

3 hours ago, AdamX said:

On this basis, the vaccine could kill you, and you would say, "they never said it would not kill you".

No, because they have said that it's been trialled and tested and it's also had WHO and national approval, so while there could be side effects (including fatalities) these have to be within set and approved limits.

3 hours ago, AdamX said:

The logical fallacy in your point is obvious, and I'm sure there is actually a name for it. This technique allows to to say anything in future about anything

No, it allows you to say that if you said something specific and someone deliberately ignored it or wasn't sufficiently interested to pay attention then they're responsible for whatever happens to them as a result  -  nobody else.