Curfews - What is the science?

[OneAngryJew]

What is the science behind a curfew?  How does the virus know not to proliferate during the day when there is no curfew?  They have thrown this country into a non-lockdown lockdown.  

The infections climb.  Why are they ruining lives and manufacturing and reengineering people into becoming poor people?

If the infections are climbing, what is the point of a curfew?  If you are going to answer, can you do it with hard science?

[JamesE]

It's just an attempt to suppress the normal inclination of humans to gather in large groups, consume copious amounts of alcohol, and do things they shouldn't with strangers mere centimeters from each other. These things tend to happen at night so, curfew. The HiSo MF'ers of Thong Lor and Ekkamai, the party-ers of Phuket, and the gambling-den denizens of Pattaya effed it up for everybody. So now, CURFEW!

Science be damned.

[OneAngryJew]

  On 8/7/2021 at 2:23 AM, JamesE said:

It's just an attempt to suppress the normal inclination of humans to gather in large groups, consume copious amounts of alcohol, and do things they shouldn't with strangers mere centimeters from each other. These things tend to happen at night so, curfew. The HiSo MF'ers of Thong Lor and Ekkamai, the party-ers of Phuket, and the gambling-den denizens of Pattaya effed it up for everybody. So now, CURFEW!

Science be damned.

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Do you seriously think a bunch of louts drinking outside cause more transmission than the idiots who sit in an office pretending that their masks will protect them from the virus?  Most buildings have windows that cannot be opened. There is no fresh air.  So go to work, sit in a room filling up with virus and think you are better off than the ones who sit outside and drink?

That's pure madness.

[JamesE]

  On 8/7/2021 at 2:29 AM, OneAngryJew said:

That's pure madness.

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Agreed. But the examples I mentioned were the jump off point from entertainers to service staff (and thence to Khlong Toei) and into the middle and upper classes. I think that horse has already sailed - or whatever - but my belief is that they think a curfew will make violations of it easier to police. Witness the stupid "sex party" with something like 5 people in attendance. Clearly the enforcers aren't finding the  big game they hoped.

[gummy]

  On 8/7/2021 at 2:48 AM, JamesE said:

Agreed. But the examples I mentioned were the jump off point from entertainers to service staff (and thence to Khlong Toei) and into the middle and upper classes. I think that horse has already sailed - or whatever - but my belief is that they think a curfew will make violations of it easier to police. Witness the stupid "sex party" with something like 5 people in attendance. Clearly the enforcers aren't finding the  big game they hoped.

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Nothing wrong with a sex party, they have been going on since time immemorial

[JamesE]

  On 8/7/2021 at 3:06 AM, gummy said:

Nothing wrong with a sex party, they have been going on since time immemorial

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But the cops didn't like that they hadn't been invited.

[billywillyjones]

Look the virus hunts between the hours of 9 to 4 in the morning and it is attracted to alchohol and the interiors of cars so don't drive those hours, don't drink those hours and most certainly don't leave your caves and go anywhere.... you are in grave danger.  Look around can you not see the wailing ambulances and walking dead????? 

Edited August 7, 2021 by billywillyjones

[Chaimai]

  On 8/7/2021 at 5:04 AM, billywillyjones said:

Look the virus hunts between the hours of 9 to 4 in the morning and it is attracted to alchohol and the interiors of cars so don't drive those hours, don't drink those hours and most certainly don't leave your caves and go anywhere.... you are in grave danger.  Look around can you not see the wailing ambulances and walking dead????? 

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As amusing as that comment is, it ignores the fact that the Thai authorities understand that alcohol and Thais are not a good combination.......... not sure the curfew makes any great difference but Thais gathering (nocturnally) in numbers, drinking, sharing food/glasses/cutlery etc is a major area of virus spreading.

Obviously, Farangs CAN be trusted to behave responsibly with alcohol and should be exempt from any such rules.......

[billywillyjones]

  On 8/7/2021 at 5:11 AM, Chaimai said:

As amusing as that comment is, it ignores the fact that the Thai authorities understand that alcohol and Thais are not a good combination.......... not sure the curfew makes any great difference but Thais gathering (nocturnally) in numbers, drinking, sharing food/glasses/cutlery etc is a major area of virus spreading.

Obviously, Farangs CAN be trusted to behave responsibly with alcohol and should be exempt from any such rules.......

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Good points but now they are crowded in a one room apartment drinking. 

[Chaimai]

  On 8/7/2021 at 5:14 AM, billywillyjones said:

Good points but now they are crowded in a one room apartment drinking. 

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That should contain the spread then.........ergo curfews work! 

[OneAngryJew]

Drinking on the beach is one of the safest places you can be. Think about it, have you ever been on a beach with no breeze? 

Breeze = safe

[Objectivance]

I'm not sure what the point of attempting to discuss irrational actions would be, by this stage. Obviously rationale thought is not part of the plan. The draconian measures only target the down and out segments of the populace. I'd presume those with the means can just pile onto a privately owned boat, and have big 3 day long parties on a private island. The only rats there are the ones on the shore rocks late at night. 

[Pongo]

  On 8/7/2021 at 2:29 AM, OneAngryJew said:

Do you seriously think a bunch of louts drinking outside cause more transmission than the idiots who sit in an office pretending that their masks will protect them from the virus?  Most buildings have windows that cannot be opened. There is no fresh air.  So go to work, sit in a room filling up with virus and think you are better off than the ones who sit outside and drink?

That's pure madness.

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Yes, 100% agree with you there, because the viral load in an enclosed office increases exponentially over time whereas outside due to it being outside, the viral load within that area will be zero or very, very small, if any.

All a curfew does is attempt to restrict social contact but as you say, it is counter productive because instead of socialising outside, people do it indoors and under the radar which kind of defeats the whole idea of it.

Also imposing a curfew makes the populous more accepting of it, despite it being a massive surrender of civil liberties.

Note: I'm not a conspiracy theorist but curfews, (unless it's for a Military purpose) and especially in this scenario are extremely intrusive and downright unjustified.

We may disagree over the whole vaccine / covid / mask thing, but I totally agree with you on this one. Much like discouraging the use of cash, it is pointless and very possibly has a more sinister and insidious agenda behind it.

[Faraday]

  On 8/7/2021 at 3:06 AM, gummy said:

Nothing wrong with a sex party, they have been going on since time immemorial

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Nobody ever invited me to one!

[gummy]

  On 8/7/2021 at 12:25 PM, Faraday said:

Nobody ever invited me to one!

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OK, no problem you are now on the list

[HolyCowCm]

  On 8/7/2021 at 5:14 AM, billywillyjones said:

Good points but now they are crowded in a one room apartment drinking. 

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In my case my selfish Thai neighbors hiding their friends bikes inside their gate, parking their cars away from their house, and congregating in the open back of the house drinking nd making a ruckus. In a sense it makes things worse.

[Faraday]

  On 8/7/2021 at 12:38 PM, HolyCowCm said:

In my case my selfish Thai neighbors hiding their friends bikes inside their gate, parking their cars away from their house, and congregating in the open back of the house drinking nd making a ruckus. In a sense it makes things worse.

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[Smithydog]

I don't really know why the curfew was implemented and don't see the effect. Perhaps the new Delta strain goes around at night dressed as a vampire seeking its prey and dies at the sight of the sun.

From my own experience (and my younger days especially), groups of people tend to forget how to avoid being close together in crowded bar or dance areas, especially as inhibitions are loosened from drinking. People around the crowded bar area a in night club reminds me of sheep at the feeding trough. No room to spare and you need to climb over each other to get a drink!

It is my understanding, some breakouts of the virus in Bangkok were linked to bars and nightclubs exceeding the limits in place at the time. How does society tend to deal with this, especially if we see the young generation involved? A Curfew is often used as a control measure.

Is it right and effective? I'll leave that up to the opinions of others which I am sure will differ!

However, from what I have experienced, once imposed, it is way harder to decide to get rid of a curfew than to decide to put one in place.

But then I live on a farm so we don't worry about a curfew. Apart from now a very rare night in the big city, normality for us is to be in the house before the current curfew starts and we start work again after it is currently lifted!

[OneAngryJew]

  On 8/7/2021 at 1:16 PM, Smithydog said:

I don't really know why the curfew was implemented and don't see the effect. Perhaps the new Delta strain goes around at night dressed as a vampire seeking its prey and dies at the sight of the sun.

From my own experience (and my younger days especially), groups of people tend to forget how to avoid being close together in crowded bar or dance areas, especially as inhibitions are loosened from drinking. People around the crowded bar area a in night club reminds me of sheep at the feeding trough. No room to spare and you need to climb over each other to get a drink!

It is my understanding, some breakouts of the virus in Bangkok were linked to bars and nightclubs exceeding the limits in place at the time. How does society tend to deal with this, especially if we see the young generation involved? A Curfew is often used as a control measure.

Is it right and effective? I'll leave that up to the opinions of others which I am sure will differ!

However, from what I have experienced, once imposed, it is way harder to decide to get rid of a curfew than to decide to put one in place.

But then I live on a farm so we don't worry about a curfew. Apart from now a very rare night in the big city, normality for us is to be in the house before the current curfew starts and we start work again after it is currently lifted!

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I doubt very much that anyone has jurisdiction on your property other than you. I would think that you can go out at night on your property can do whatever you want.