Three CNN employees have been fired for returning to work, as they were not vaccinated against Covid-19

[SnapDragon]

1 hour ago, AussieBob said:

It was because of those back then who refused to have their children vaccinated, that some Governments and Organisations mandated that if a child was not vaccinated against Polio, then they could not participate in any activities near/with other vaccinated children. That forced a lot of the naysayers to relent and resulted in the eradication of Polio - but some still refused to have their kids vaccinated so they were excluded - unless/until they had caught Polio and recovered.

I disagree with your assessment about Polio.

The first noted 'cases' of polio were in the late 1700s, and was named as such a hundred years later in 1874. Before polio (in name), arrived on the scene, it was known as apoplexy, palsy or simply lower limb infantile paralysis, which was mentioned in the time of Hippocrates.

Paralysis was not uncommon during the 17 and 1800s. There is evidence to suggest that mercury, arsenic and lead particularly were the causes of the disease. Later in the 1800s medicines and skin products contained horrid chemicals; including phosphorus, cyanide, quicksilver and arsenic.

Fast forward to the 20th century and although some poisons had been eliminated from medicine, others still remained until very recently; as in mercury. But a new kid was on the block; DDT. This toxic concoction was banned in the US in 1972. Although it is still used in other countries; including India. It was sprayed in massive quantities in most countries. It was firstly an insect killing compound.

Research by Dr Salk is considered to be the forerunner in finding the polio virus in the 1900s, but Dr Flexner and Mr Lewis are reported to have been successful in paralysing monkeys with an 'infectious virus' some years earlier. The race was on to find a cure for polio. And Dr Salk's vaccine was first used in 1954. There is ample evidence to show that his vaccine was causing many cases of paralysis. And in 1977 he stated that his vaccine was responsible for most US cases; from when it was first introduced.

Interestingly other vaccines have serious 'side effects', include paralysis and death. Whooping cough (pertussis), diphtheria, smallpox and tetanus vaccines have all been reported as having adverse effects of this nature.

Despite evidence to show that toxins cause paralysis, the medical establishments are stubborn in their insistence that vaccines are safe. Doctors that question the general vaccine narrative come under fire relentlessly.

A 'new' neuro-muscular condition has now emerged; AFP or Acute Flaccid Paralysis. AFT, although now called new, is indistinguishable from polio. Although it is banned in most countries, DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) is still used in many to kill insects; especially mosquitoes.

The medical establishment (big pharma) has to constantly be on its guard to protect medicines, injections and vaccines, from illrepute. It quietly withdraws 'medicines' from the marketplace, happily pays billions in fines, and even changes the names of diseases. This ensures that medicines, treatments and vaccines, that were supposedly responsible for the eradication of illnesses and diseases, attract as little attention as possible when they don't do 'what it says on the tin'. Wouldn't want it thought that 'eradication' actually meant 'perpetuation'.

note::: on the TT thread 'What makes you ill' there is more information.

 

[BlueSphinx]

29 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

I disagree with your assessment about Polio.

The first noted 'cases' of polio were in the late 1700s, and was named as such a hundred years later in 1874. Before polio (in name), arrived on the scene, it was known as apoplexy, palsy or simply lower limb infantile paralysis, which was mentioned in the time of Hippocrates.

Paralysis was not uncommon during the 17 and 1800s. There is evidence to suggest that mercury, arsenic and lead particularly were the causes of the disease. Later in the 1800s medicines and skin products contained horrid chemicals; including phosphorus, cyanide, quicksilver and arsenic.

Fast forward to the 20th century and although some poisons had been eliminated from medicine, others still remained until very recently; as in mercury. But a new kid was on the block; DDT. This toxic concoction was banned in the US in 1972. Although it is still used in other countries; including India. It was sprayed in massive quantities in most countries. It was firstly an insect killing compound.

Research by Dr Salk is considered to be the forerunner in finding the polio virus in the 1900s, but Dr Flexner and Mr Lewis are reported to have been successful in paralysing monkeys with an 'infectious virus' some years earlier. The race was on to find a cure for polio. And Dr Salk's vaccine was first used in 1954. There is ample evidence to show that his vaccine was causing many cases of paralysis. And in 1977 he stated that his vaccine was responsible for most US cases; from when it was first introduced.

Interestingly other vaccines have serious 'side effects', include paralysis and death. Whooping cough (pertussis), diphtheria, smallpox and tetanus vaccines have all been reported as having adverse effects of this nature.

Despite evidence to show that toxins cause paralysis, the medical establishments are stubborn in their insistence that vaccines are safe. Doctors that question the general vaccine narrative come under fire relentlessly.

A 'new' neuro-muscular condition has now emerged; AFP or Acute Flaccid Paralysis. AFT, although now called new, is indistinguishable from polio. Although it is banned in most countries, DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) is still used in many to kill insects; especially mosquitoes.

The medical establishment (big pharma) has to constantly be on its guard to protect medicines, injections and vaccines, from illrepute. It quietly withdraws 'medicines' from the marketplace, happily pays billions in fines, and even changes the names of diseases. This ensures that medicines, treatments and vaccines, that were supposedly responsible for the eradication of illnesses and diseases, attract as little attention as possible when they don't do 'what it says on the tin'. Wouldn't want it thought that 'eradication' actually meant 'perpetuation'.

note::: on the TT thread 'What makes you ill' there is more information.

Hi @snapdragon, always appreciate your thought-provoking contributions. 

Many posters compare the covid-19 vaccines with the polio-vaccines that supposedly 'eradicated' polio in Western countries.  I recently posted an article by Karl Denninger on the Controversial Covid Corner that postulates that such comparison is totally incorrect.  > https://thethaiger.com/talk/topic/2081-ccc-the-controversial-covid-corner/?do=findComment&comment=27647  

Here an excerpt of what he wrote:

>> The problem with non-sterilizing vaccines is simply this: There is no safe means of mass-use of non-sterilizing vaccines so long as transmission within the community does or is likely to exist.

Ever.

There are no exceptions.

This was known to public health officials and virologists seventy years ago and is why the United States used both IPV (injected polio vaccine) and OPV (oral polio vaccine) in sequence for polio until the 1990s.  OPV produced sterilizing immunity but IPV did not.  OPV had a very small (but non-zero, about 1 in a million) risk of causing polio because it was a codon-deoptimized live virus which, on rare occasion, would mutate back to its virulent form in the human body.  So to mitigate that risk you got IPV first in the US (to prevent systemic infection; this was non-sterilizing), then OPV which is sterilizing -- that is, it prevents not only getting sick from polio but also replicating and shedding the virus, thus giving it to others along with preventing the promotion of mutations that WILL eventually escape the vaccine.

Had we done with polio what we're doing now with Covid -- IPV (non-sterilizing) use only with virus circulating in the United States -- it is very likely the virus would have mutated, escaped the vaccine and killed millions in America.  Every single so-called expert knows damn well why we didn't do that with polio and how dangerous it is to attempt it.  Indeed where polio still circulates but money is scarce they use OPV only (which is sterilizing) and accept the risk of the rare but possible active case it can cause for this exact reason.

Again: This is not a "new idea"; it was in fact the only rational path of action and known decades ago, forming the very basis of our polio vaccination strategy.  This combination strategy was necessary for polio but not for measles, for example, as the measles vaccine is sterilizing.

ONLY A STERILIZING VACCINE IS SAFE TO USE ON A MASS POPULATION BASIS WHEN A PARTICULAR PATHOGEN IS CIRCULATING IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

THIS IS NOT THEORY -- IT IS DECADES-OLD KNOWN MEDICAL FACT.

= = = = =

I know that you do not subscribe to that view, but would be interested to hear your throughts about the above.

Cheers and thanks!

 

[SnapDragon]

1 hour ago, BlueSphinx said:

Hi @snapdragon, always appreciate your thought-provoking contributions. 

Many posters compare the covid-19 vaccines with the polio-vaccines that supposedly 'eradicated' polio in Western countries.  I recently posted an article by Karl Denninger on the Controversial Covid Corner that postulates that such comparison is totally incorrect.  > https://thethaiger.com/talk/topic/2081-ccc-the-controversial-covid-corner/?do=findComment&comment=27647   Here an excerpt of what he wrote:

>> The problem with non-sterilizing vaccines is simply this: There is no safe means of mass-use of non-sterilizing vaccines so long as transmission within the community does or is likely to exist.

Ever.

There are no exceptions.

This was known to public health officials and virologists seventy years ago and is why the United States used both IPV (injected polio vaccine) and OPV (oral polio vaccine) in sequence for polio until the 1990s.  OPV produced sterilizing immunity but IPV did not.  OPV had a very small (but non-zero, about 1 in a million) risk of causing polio because it was a codon-deoptimized live virus which, on rare occasion, would mutate back to its virulent form in the human body.  So to mitigate that risk you got IPV first in the US (to prevent systemic infection; this was non-sterilizing), then OPV which is sterilizing -- that is, it prevents not only getting sick from polio but also replicating and shedding the virus, thus giving it to others along with preventing the promotion of mutations that WILL eventually escape the vaccine.

Had we done with polio what we're doing now with Covid -- IPV (non-sterilizing) use only with virus circulating in the United States -- it is very likely the virus would have mutated, escaped the vaccine and killed millions in America.  Every single so-called expert knows damn well why we didn't do that with polio and how dangerous it is to attempt it.  Indeed where polio still circulates but money is scarce they use OPV only (which is sterilizing) and accept the risk of the rare but possible active case it can cause for this exact reason.

Again: This is not a "new idea"; it was in fact the only rational path of action and known decades ago, forming the very basis of our polio vaccination strategy.  This combination strategy was necessary for polio but not for measles, for example, as the measles vaccine is sterilizing.

ONLY A STERILIZING VACCINE IS SAFE TO USE ON A MASS POPULATION BASIS WHEN A PARTICULAR PATHOGEN IS CIRCULATING IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

THIS IS NOT THEORY -- IT IS DECADES-OLD KNOWN MEDICAL FACT.

= = = = =

Interesting post.

Karl Denninger is a very well respected man in his field. But I do not agree with him on this. And here's why:

For me virology is not a science. It is 'phantom' medicine. How can I say that, when so many eminent doctors and scientists earn their crust in that field?  It (virology) has had billions thrown at it. It is on a pedestal with a sign saying 'each disease has its own virus' attached. Nonsense in my view.

Without getting too far into it - (although I will post an essay on 'germ theory' later this week) - these doctors are simply muddying the waters of health and medical science. The body is clever enough to react when it is attacked by a toxin; sending globulins by the billion to contain and eliminate invaders. They also repair. Sometimes, however the body cannot contain, repair or eliminate; it becomes overwhelmed, and bad things happen; paralysis (as in polio), and perhaps even death. Even with serious problems (though not death) the the body will constantly be performing maintenance, and can often return the body to its natural state, which is that of good-health.

Denninger  is suggesting that illness and disease is caused by germs/pathogens*. I have not seen evidence that germs cause disease. When poisons enter the body they are 'fought' by many different entities. It is literally a battle and bits of cell, bits of DNA and tissue debris are the result and are then eliminated (if possible). The resulting debris in part, is viruses. It is dead tissue; never been alive in its chopped up state (although it once was a living cell) and cannot be reconstituted to live. They are passed out of the body and remain in the air, on surfaces and in bigger organisms until nature gradually eliminates them from the environment.

If a vaccine works at all, it is because the recipient feels that it will do good, leading to positive contributions to health, rather than the vaccine toxin itself. Better in my view, to give people harmless inert jabs, and let their minds do the rest.

* Mr Denninger has been in hot water recently due to his position on the use of ivermectin. He advocates its use in the early stages of C-19:::

"""Our government -- including Federal, State and Local officials, in concert with both the medical system and our alleged "public health" agencies deliberately spread disease and caused death for the last year, directly and through depraved indifference, killing approximately 400,000 Americans thus far and is killing thousands more every single day. We knew how to stop the death in nursing homes in February of 2020 and we knew how to stop 95% of the deaths in the general population this summer using cheap and available nutritional supplements and off-patent medications. Rather than fulfill their legal duty both by their oaths of office and in the case of non-profits and public health organizations the duties set forth in their charter and the reason for their tax exemptions they instead conspired with commercial interests to allow and even promote such death so as to inculcate fear in the population for the purpose of political, ideological and financial gain. Call it what it is; terrorism. """

Hard hitting, thought provoking, words. And although I generally agree with his message. I cannot agree with his position on Ivermectin.

The drug ivermectin has been around for decades. It does what is supposed to do extremely well. What does it do? Firstly, it is a poison that bugs and parasites do not like. It kills them. It has also been found to work in conjunction with zinc to allow the body' s cells to better uptake stuff that is beneficial; like zinc eg.

The problem I have, is with C-19. It can't be stopped, fixed, eliminated or vaccinated into submission because it doesn't exist. Ah yes! But what if it's a bio-weapon funded by the US and developed in China; as seems likely? Interesting debate that would be!?

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by snapdragon

[AussieBob]

21 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

It seems you STILL believe that the covid-vaccinated cannot spread the virus, while it has now been confirmed by the CDC that the infected vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally infectuous.  But with the important difference that in the vaccinated their symptoms are suppressed, and instead of isolating themselves at first sign of symptoms (like the unvaccinated will do), it are actually the infected vaccinated that are becoming unwitting super-spreaders.  Let that sink in...

I hear you BUT you are missing the facts STILL.  If in a large room full of 1000 random people, all vaccinated, the odds of one person having Covid is dramatically reduced - AND if they give it to other people the actual rate of medical care needed is dramatically reduced.  That is what vaccines do - they lower the rate of infection, reduce the infectious rate to others, and dramatically reduce the medical care required if an infection is caught.  Next we have a large room full of random unvaccinated people and the odds are much higher that there is an infected person. Plus the rate of spread is much higher in the room of unvaccinated,  and a large number will need medical care, and on average 2.2% of them will die. It is both for our good, and your good, that the vaccines are being pushed.  But they are not mandated - yet.  If there is a 4th wave worldwide from another mutation, and it has the contagious level (of more) of Delta, and it has a CFR of more than 5%, then vaccines will be mandated.  

[ExpatPattaya]

22 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

It seems you STILL believe that the covid-vaccinated cannot spread the virus, while it has now been confirmed by the CDC that the infected vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally infectuous.  But with the important difference that in the vaccinated their symptoms are suppressed, and instead of isolating themselves at first sign of symptoms (like the unvaccinated will do), it are actually the infected vaccinated that are becoming unwitting super-spreaders.  Let that sink in...

Wrong again.  Vaccinated people are half as likely to contract covid.  If you do not have covid you cannot spread it.

Vaccinated people have a 99.9% chance of living if they contract covid. 

Your choice to keep spreading untruths and being fearful of a vaccine that can save your life here.

What are you really afraid of?  Did you get the polio, whooping cough, and measles vaccines as a child?

[AussieBob]

19 hours ago, snapdragon said:

I disagree with your assessment about Polio.

The first noted 'cases' of polio were in the late 1700s, and was named as such a hundred years later in 1874. Before polio (in name), arrived on the scene, it was known as apoplexy, palsy or simply lower limb infantile paralysis, which was mentioned in the time of Hippocrates.

Paralysis was not uncommon during the 17 and 1800s. There is evidence to suggest that mercury, arsenic and lead particularly were the causes of the disease. Later in the 1800s medicines and skin products contained horrid chemicals; including phosphorus, cyanide, quicksilver and arsenic.

Fast forward to the 20th century and although some poisons had been eliminated from medicine, others still remained until very recently; as in mercury. But a new kid was on the block; DDT. This toxic concoction was banned in the US in 1972. Although it is still used in other countries; including India. It was sprayed in massive quantities in most countries. It was firstly an insect killing compound.

Research by Dr Salk is considered to be the forerunner in finding the polio virus in the 1900s, but Dr Flexner and Mr Lewis are reported to have been successful in paralysing monkeys with an 'infectious virus' some years earlier. The race was on to find a cure for polio. And Dr Salk's vaccine was first used in 1954. There is ample evidence to show that his vaccine was causing many cases of paralysis. And in 1977 he stated that his vaccine was responsible for most US cases; from when it was first introduced.

Interestingly other vaccines have serious 'side effects', include paralysis and death. Whooping cough (pertussis), diphtheria, smallpox and tetanus vaccines have all been reported as having adverse effects of this nature.

Despite evidence to show that toxins cause paralysis, the medical establishments are stubborn in their insistence that vaccines are safe. Doctors that question the general vaccine narrative come under fire relentlessly.

A 'new' neuro-muscular condition has now emerged; AFP or Acute Flaccid Paralysis. AFT, although now called new, is indistinguishable from polio. Although it is banned in most countries, DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) is still used in many to kill insects; especially mosquitoes.

The medical establishment (big pharma) has to constantly be on its guard to protect medicines, injections and vaccines, from illrepute. It quietly withdraws 'medicines' from the marketplace, happily pays billions in fines, and even changes the names of diseases. This ensures that medicines, treatments and vaccines, that were supposedly responsible for the eradication of illnesses and diseases, attract as little attention as possible when they don't do 'what it says on the tin'. Wouldn't want it thought that 'eradication' actually meant 'perpetuation'.

note::: on the TT thread 'What makes you ill' there is more information.

I have read what you wrote, and also what @BlueSphinx  wrote too, and I can only say that I think that we disagree.  I will add that the majority view is very much in favour of vaccines and we do that knowing of and accepting of the risks involved. Life is a daily risk with an inevitable outcome - but we all still carry on and do what we do day by day.  Death occurs in many forms, and right now the death toll for Covid since January 2020 is 4.3 million people. Trying to argue that vaccines kill people and spread the disease is a futile exercise - as futile as me demanding you provide the exact numbers of people who have been killed by the vaccines.  Having said that, in my view, and I am sure for the majority, Kennedy said something like:  'I disagree completely with everything you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it".

 

[ExpatPattaya]

19 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

an article by Karl Denninger on the Controversial Covid Corner

Karl Denninger is a blogger and political activist - no background in science, virology, or immunology.

Why waste your time with conspiracy theorists who are only doing it for "views" and ad money from websites

[BlueSphinx]

51 minutes ago, ExpatPattaya said:

Wrong again.  Vaccinated people are half as likely to contract covid.  If you do not have covid you cannot spread it.

Vaccinated people have a 99.9% chance of living if they contract covid. 

Your choice to keep spreading untruths and being fearful of a vaccine that can save your life here.

What are you really afraid of?  Did you get the polio, whooping cough, and measles vaccines as a child?

 

sted 28 minutes ago

23 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

It seems you STILL believe that the covid-vaccinated cannot spread the virus, while it has now been confirmed by the CDC that the infected vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally infectuous.  But with the important difference that in the vaccinated their symptoms are suppressed, and instead of isolating themselves at first sign of symptoms (like the unvaccinated will do), it are actually the infected vaccinated that are becoming unwitting super-spreaders.  Let that sink in...

What I wrote is completely correct, do read again - posted higher - if you have any doubt.  There is NO difference in infectuousness between Infected vaccinated or unvaccinated people.  But as the symptoms of the vaccinated ones are supressed, it will take longer for them to realize they are infected and that they have become unwitting super-spreaders.

You are talking about the risk of catching covid from such an infected person, and your illness/survival chances from that, which is a different issue.

And for what's it worth > I am NOT afraid of catching covid being a healthy - albeit slightly obese - 64-year old with no underlying conditions and with a good working immune system.  So if I do catch it - and am among the +99,5 % survivors - I will have acquired life-long natural immunity which is FAR superior than the jab-induced immunity. 

I am also not afraid of the jabs, although they are not very effective and definitely unsafe, but am not preventing anybody from taking them.  However, having done my research I will NEVER take them voluntarily.

[AussieBob]

2 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

sted 28 minutes ago

What I wrote is completely correct, do read again - posted higher - if you have any doubt.  There is NO difference in infectuousness between Infected vaccinated or unvaccinated people.  But as the symptoms of the vaccinated ones are supressed, it will take longer for them to realize they are infected and that they have become unwitting super-spreaders.

You are talking about the risk of catching covid from such an infected person, and your illness/survival chances from that, which is a different issue.

And for what's it worth > I am NOT afraid of catching covid being a healthy - albeit slightly obese - 64-year old with no underlying conditions and with a good working immune system.  So if I do catch it - and am among the +99,5 % survivors - I will have acquired life-long natural immunity which is FAR superior than the jab-induced immunity. 

I am also not afraid of the jabs, although they are not very effective and definitely unsafe, but am not preventing anybody from taking them.  However, having done my research I will NEVER take them voluntarily.

OK OK we get it. Your decision. Your right. For now.

[BlueSphinx]

50 minutes ago, ExpatPattaya said:

Karl Denninger is a blogger and political activist - no background in science, virology, or immunology.

Why waste your time with conspiracy theorists who are only doing it for "views" and ad money from websites

I don't care if he is a taxi-driver, accountant or university professor.  He makes a very compelling argument and I am interested in his IDEAS not in his background as 'a condition to listen to what he says'. 

Applying that latter criterium reading threads on a Forum is the ultimate time-waster...

[PBS]

On 8/8/2021 at 10:04 AM, AussieBob said:

Ditto - same with my wife - and all the people we know here.  I am old enough to remember Polio vaccines.  Thanks goodness this 'freedom of rights' crap was not such an issue back then.  I wonder how they would react if stuck in a village with Ebola rampant and they cannot leave and have only two solutions. Take a vaccine, or wait and see if they are one of the 40% who will die of the infection.  

Nail on the head!

[BlueSphinx]

5 minutes ago, AussieBob said:

OK OK we get it. Your decision. Your right. For now.

I was not responding to you @AussieBob as you did not dispute that fact, and you kept your response civil (thank you for that).  It was @ExpatPattaya who was confusing the issue.

[AussieBob]

3 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

I was not responding to you @AussieBob as you did not dispute that fact, and you kept your response civil (thank you for that).  It was @ExpatPattaya who was confusing the issue.

Ooops - sorry mate - my bad.

[THETRUTH]

On 8/7/2021 at 11:16 AM, OneAngryJew said:

In the USA you are 100 percent wrong.  I'm not sure about England, but that pesky Magna Carta comes to mind.  You still haven't specified.  Just like vaccines, you can't make blanket statements about all governments.

I'm not a 'murican but actually his blanket statements made me think that he is an American... In the USA the government totally decides what rights one has -- and certainly what rights they under no circumstance must not have.

"Only in the USA" can one get fired for not being vaccinated for X. In my country the employer does not even have the right to ask their employees about their private health matters -- one of which is vaccination status (for any disease).

Edited August 9, 2021 by THETRUTH

[OneAngryJew]

4 minutes ago, THETRUTH said:

I'm not a 'murican but actually his blanket statements made me think that he is an American... In the USA the government totally decides what rights one has -- and certainly what rights they under no circumstance must not have.

"Only in the USA" can one get fired for not being vaccinated for X. In my country the employer does not even have the right to ask their employees about their private health matters -- one of which is vaccination status (for any disease).

Everything you said above is wrong.  Perhaps you should read our Constitution, and while you're at it, read Pennsylvania's Constitution.  You might learn something. 

[THETRUTH]

1 hour ago, OneAngryJew said:

Everything you said above is wrong.  Perhaps you should read our Constitution, and while you're at it, read Pennsylvania's Constitution.  You might learn something. 

The subject of this topic is an American company firing their American employees -- in the USA -- after invading their private health information. So obviously you are a <XXXXXX>

Edited August 9, 2021 by King Cotton
Deletion of a flaming remark