News Forum - Thai rescuer faces death threat for exposing hospital’s refusal to treat foreigner

[Thaiger]

A Thai rescuer is facing death threats after he exposed to the local and international news agencies that a private hospital in Bangkok refused to treat a foreigner who later died because of the delay in treatment. The rescuer facing the threats, Kittipong Pimphun, of the Ruam Katanyu Foundation, revealed with Channel 7 that he … …

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[Smiler]

I am probably hoping in vain but I hope the authorities follow this up on both counts, the hospital for refusing the poor guy treatment and the threats to the man who exposed the hospital in question, despicable behavior by the guilty people exposed in this article. 

[cowslip]

THis is not that unusul in the Thai health industry.

[garyknrd]

next the hospital will file a lawsuit against him for slander. And win.

[ChrisS]

Certainly I am not holding my breath for any prosecutions or naming of the hospital and or staff in question. I am guessing by now money has changed hands to make the inquiry go away.

[cowslip]

THai law recognises loss of "reputation" regardless of whether the accusations are true, which is why peoplpe should be VERY careful when using any Thai healthcare, there is no comeback and doctors are VERY protective of their reputations.

[Marc26]

In North America hospital have to treat you, by law

 

 

[cowslip]

 

THe US has similar problems to Thailand. TH US system is probably the worst in the Western World

In Thailand, foreign tourists are entitled to treatment at ANY Thai hospital, regardless of whether it’s an emergency or not. In the case of a foreign tourist in a critical emergency, hospitals can claim expenses from the patient’s life, health, or travel insurance. Or from the government if the other repayments are unsuccessful.

The institute warned that once a patient has been delivered to a hospital, the hospital CANNOT refuse treatment.

sounds great except that hospitals just claim they are either full of don't have the necessary equipment or facilities. Patients can be moved from poillar to post as a succession of buckpassing takes place.

Anything a hospital does, they feel empowered to do as there is virtually no comeback upon them especially through legal pathways.

I think the most disturbing thing bout this is that doctors themselves are party to this sort of who-shall-live-or-die decision making. So, one has to question the ethics behind these sort of decisions.

[TedG]

37 minutes ago, cowslip said:

THe US has similar problems to Thailand. TH US system is probably the worst in the Western World

 

The laws state the hospitals must render treatment. 

[Marc26]

2 hours ago, cowslip said:

THe US has similar problems to Thailand. TH US system is probably the worst in the Western World

 

That is simply false

 

They can't refuse you treatment at an emerging room in the US

 

Believe me

I have a brother who owes in the hundreds of thousands to hospitals and he wouldn't be refused service 

 

 

 

Although I don't diagree with your overall assessment of the US system (for the uninsured, for the insured it's the best in the world, by a lot)

[cowslip]

11 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

That is simply false

They can't refuse you treatment at an emerging room in the US

Believe me

I have a brother who owes in the hundreds of thousands to hospitals and he wouldn't be refused service 

Although I don't diagree with your overall assessment of the US system (for the uninsured, for the insured it's the best in the world, by a lot)

Why do people not read the post? ..and why do they think anecdotal evidence is worth posting?

THat's not what I'm saying - the US has similar problems - they rely on insurance for income - the same problem in Thailand they have to admit you by law - yet this is not guaranteed.

In both countries when you are pucked up by the emergency services there is a question to where you are taken -as the drivers / paramedics will make decisin=ions based on the likelyihood of having adequate cover.

The US may have some good hospitals but the SYSTEM is one of the worst in the Western world - of course the industry likes to tell you otherwise - but they would wouldn't they - it's a system that runs on gullibility.

 In 2022, 26 million people — or 7.9 percent of the population – were uninsured, according to a report in September 2023 from the Census Bureau.

may I suggest you read yup on comparative healthcare systems - there is a great book "The Healing of America" by T.R. Reid

published in 2009 it has a quote on the jacket "the WHO rated the national healthcare systems of 191 countries in terms of "fairness". the United States ranked fifty-fourth just head of Rwanda and Chad but just behind Bangladesh and the Maldives"...

[cowslip]

1 hour ago, TedG said:

The laws state the hospitals must render treatment. 

in both countries - so what is your point?

[Marc26]

22 hours ago, cowslip said:

Why do people not read the post? ..and why do they think anecdotal evidence is worth posting?

THat's not what I'm saying - the US has similar problems - they rely on insurance for income - the same problem in Thailand they have to admit you by law - yet this is not guaranteed.

In both countries when you are pucked up by the emergency services there is a question to where you are taken -as the drivers / paramedics will make decisin=ions based on the likelyihood of having adequate cover.

The US may have some good hospitals but the SYSTEM is one of the worst in the Western world - of course the industry likes to tell you otherwise - but they would wouldn't they - it's a system that runs on gullibility.

 In 2022, 26 million people — or 7.9 percent of the population – were uninsured, according to a report in September 2023 from the Census Bureau.

may I suggest you read yup on comparative healthcare systems - there is a great book "The Healing of America" by T.R. Reid

published in 2009 it has a quote on the jacket "the WHO rated the national healthcare systems of 191 countries in terms of "fairness". the United States ranked fifty-fourth just head of Rwanda and Chad but just behind Bangladesh and the Maldives"...

Funny that you obviously didn't read my post while accusing me of not reading the post

 

I agreed with you on the overall healthcare system

 

However, having lived in 3 countries, the US healthcare system is vastly superior if you are adequately insured 

 

But the overall system on a whole is a broken mess, and based on a corrupt system, which most things in the US are

 

So I overall agreed with you, but why bother reading what I wrote.....

 

And again

You are simply wrong

Insurance does not play a factor in where an ambulance takes you

[cowslip]

32 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

Funny that you obviously didn't read my post while accusing me of not reading the post

I agreed with you on the overall healthcare system

However, having lived in 3 countries, the US healthcare system is vastly superior if you are adequately insured 

But the overall system on a whole is a broken mess, and based on a corrupt system, which most things in the US are

So I overall agreed with you, but why bother reading what I wrote.....

And again

You are simply wrong

Insurance does not play a factor in where an ambulance takes you

"

"That is simply false" - No it isn't

They can't refuse you treatment at an emerging room in the US

Believe me

I have a brother who owes in the hundreds of thousands to hospitals and he wouldn't be refused service " - disagree with both

 

Insurance does not play a factor in where an ambulance takes you - in Thailand it makes a huge difference - I actually have first hand experience of this too.

 

 

[cowslip]

"the US healthcare system is vastly superior if you are adequately insured " - you don't seem to realise that is an oxymoron.

[Marc26]

33 minutes ago, cowslip said:

"the US healthcare system is vastly superior if you are adequately insured " - you don't seem to realise that is an oxymoron.

I'm not doing this nonsense with you today

 

Dxuk off

 

I really hate 80% of the people on this forum

[Vigo]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:47 AM, cowslip said:

THai law recognises loss of "reputation" regardless of whether the accusations are true, which is why peoplpe should be VERY careful when using any Thai healthcare, there is no comeback and doctors are VERY protective of their reputations.

Yes, however, there are different approaches used. Malpractice is malpractice and I can assure you that when there is an error with someone of wealth/power a career can be ruined and compensation can be expensive.  

[cowslip]

1 hour ago, Vigo said:

Yes, however, there are different approaches used. Malpractice is malpractice and I can assure you that when there is an error with someone of wealth/power a career can be ruined and compensation can be expensive.  

Care to explain...with some examples?