News Forum - 21 year old Saraburi soldier arrested for kidnap, sexual assault of 12 year old girl in central Thailand

[Thaiger]

A 21 year old Saraburi soldier was apprehended by the authorities yesterday for kidnapping and sexually assaulting a 12 year old schoolgirl. Chaiyarat (surname withheld) first came into contact with the victim via Facebook before luring her to a friend’s house where the attack took place. The incident, which occurred earlier this year, was brought … …

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[Karolyn]

Young looking 12 or old looking 12? Don't forget, some 12 year olds are teenagers and others are children. Partly through natural, personal variation, and partly fast growth during puberty.

Given he is less than a decade older than is the girl, I'd assume he's not a paedoohile: the APA woukd not diagnose him so, unless he pesistently favors younger girls that remind him of children. 

No one can compsre this, as that piece does, to a 14 yrar old molested by someone, who is old enough to be her grandfather.

Had the young lad known the girls age, would he have been so stupid, as to elope with her? My guess is, he thought she was older. 

 

[Rookiescot]

34 minutes ago, Karolyn said:

Young looking 12 or old looking 12? Don't forget, some 12 year olds are teenagers and others are children. Partly through natural, personal variation, and partly fast growth during puberty.

Given he is less than a decade older than is the girl, I'd assume he's not a paedoohile: the APA woukd not diagnose him so, unless he pesistently favors younger girls that remind him of children. 

No one can compsre this, as that piece does, to a 14 yrar old molested by someone, who is old enough to be her grandfather.

Had the young lad known the girls age, would he have been so stupid, as to elope with her? My guess is, he thought she was older. 

 

Any 12 year old girl still looks too young to be 16.

[Karolyn]

31 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Any 12 year old girl still looks too young to be 16.

Did you think like that when you were 21?

Young guys especially, are horny, they go where the sex is available. And 12 year olds are curious. 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Karolyn said:

Did you think like that when you were 21?

Young guys especially, are horny, they go where the sex is available. And 12 year olds are curious. 

Oddly enough I did think about whether a girl was old enough. I am pretty sure most guys do hence why this is news because its not normal.

I understand you wish to portrait all men as being nothing more than a bag of hormones but even a cursory glance at reality shows this is not the case. 

[WilliamG]

2 hours ago, Karolyn said:

My guess is, he thought she was older.

Don't Thais carry ID cards.

So this is boiiocz, he just wanted his end away.

[Karolyn]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Oddly enough I did think about whether a girl was old enough. I am pretty sure most guys do hence why this is news because its not normal.

I understand you wish to portrait all men as being nothing more than a bag of hormones but even a cursory glance at reality shows this is not the case. 

Rubbish. If you cared how old they were, when you were 21. On what basis did you see a difference, between a 15 and a 16 year old? Because there isn't one. 

Most 12 year olds are not atrractive to 21 year olds. I remember in year 9, thinking the year 7s looked and acted too much like kids.

Bit in any year there are outliers, for gods sake. If 12 year olds can't pass as 16,some of them, especially when they are nearly 13, are physically teenagers. And they do manage to find older boyfriends. 

And as lomg as the age difference looks right, relationships/sex involving under 10 years age difference, are socially acxeptable.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Karolyn said:

Rubbish. If you cared how old they were, when you were 21. On what basis did you see a difference, between a 15 and a 16 year old? Because there isn't one. 

Most 12 year olds are not atrractive to 21 year olds. I remember in year 9, thinking the year 7s looked and acted too much like kids.

Bit in any year there are outliers, for gods sake. If 12 year olds can't pass as 16,some of them, especially when they are nearly 13, are physically teenagers. And they do manage to find older boyfriends. 

And as lomg as the age difference looks right, relationships/sex involving under 10 years age difference, are socially acxeptable.

There is a huge difference between a girl aged 12 and a girl aged 15 or 16. Its called puberty. At the age of 21, I and the vast majority of men were not interested in girls under the age of 18 never mind anything else. Most of us would not even meet or engage with them owing to the fact they are too young to be in bars or clubs.

There will of course be those predators who will seek out young girls. Regardless of their own age.

However these people are not normal guys. Hence the reason this is a news story.

There are laws regarding this, laws which almost ALL men are aware of. 

Your definition of what is acceptable regarding the age difference is asinine. It is illegal. It is against the law and it is wrong in accepted social norms. 

[Karolyn]

17 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

There is a huge difference between a girl aged 12 and a girl aged 15 or 16. Its called puberty. At the age of 21, I and the vast majority of men were not interested in girls under the age of 18 never mind anything else. Most of us would not even meet or engage with them owing to the fact they are too young to be in bars or clubs.

There will of course be those predators who will seek out young girls. Regardless of their own age.

However these people are not normal guys. Hence the reason this is a news story.

There are laws regarding this, laws which almost ALL men are aware of. 

Your definition of what is acceptable regarding the age difference is asinine. It is illegal. It is against the law and it is wrong in accepted social norms. 

Properly, puberty is the physical and associated cjanges, that occur at the ages approx. 10 to 14, and mark the start of adolescence.

The problem is, 12 is in the middle of puberty, and its statistically common for pubertal growth, to be 2 years ahead or behind that of classmates. So it really does depend on the 12 year old.

And who cares about bars and clubs at 21? Its what old people do. Did you want to be old at 21?

Male sexuality is opportunist. To call it predatory, would be fearmongering. But testy young guys look for sexual access, with fertile females, if and when it is available.

You are calling him a sexual predaror - a meaningless and feminist accusation, used against heterosexual, cisgendered males - because if two peoole are pubertal, can understand the implications of sex, and are lrss than a decade aoart in age... it can't possibly be a paraphilia. Can it? 

Finally,if you check marriage data, an age difference up to about 10 years +/-, is normal everywhere in the world. (When do teenage girls find male attention creepy? They always say, when he's old enough to be their dad...)

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, Karolyn said:

And who cares about bars and clubs at 21? Its what old people do. Did you want to be old at 21?

Seriously? You are claiming 21 year olds dont go to bars and clubs?

1 hour ago, Karolyn said:

Male sexuality is opportunist. To call it predatory, would be fearmongering. But testy young guys look for sexual access, with fertile females, if and when it is available.

And this differs from female sexuality in what way?

1 hour ago, Karolyn said:

You are calling him a sexual predaror - a meaningless and feminist accusation, used against heterosexual, cisgendered males - because if two peoole are pubertal, can understand the implications of sex, and are lrss than a decade aoart in age... it can't possibly be a paraphilia. Can it?

Where does this "less than a decade apart" excuse come from? The fact is the guy is 21. He is an adult. The girl is 12. She is a child. She is under the age of consent therefor the guy had sex with a child which is the very definition of a pedophile. 

1 hour ago, Karolyn said:

Finally,if you check marriage data, an age difference up to about 10 years +/-, is normal everywhere in the world. (When do teenage girls find male attention creepy? They always say, when he's old enough to be their dad...)

So what? So long as both parties in the marriage are over the age of consent it does not matter.

[Karolyn]

16 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Seriously? You are claiming 21 year olds dont go to bars and clubs?

And this differs from female sexuality in what way?

Where does this "less than a decade apart" excuse come from? The fact is the guy is 21. He is an adult. The girl is 12. She is a child. She is under the age of consent therefor the guy had sex with a child which is the very definition of a pedophile. 

So what? So long as both parties in the marriage are over the age of consent it does not matter.

I didn't want to in the 90s. Some people I know did, as young as 14. But a lot of people didn't. A lot of us didn't want to end uo like our parents, that and the media then was saying, alcohol was over, E was in.

Not that I was into rave culture, but that was in the air. You don't have to grow up, and be bitter, and sat with a pint, like youre mum and dad. 

I'm currently teaching in Cambodia. And to be honest, i don't see the young people, either the visitors or the locals, interested either.

I suppose this is a different topic, for a conversation. But I am convinced that the 'young people,going out, getting pissed' trope was dated as early as the 1990s. And always was based only on a subset, of uni students.

Because a lot of working class British people, old enough to be our parents, say they drank more as they got older, not least because they had more income with maturity. But not just that. 

When they were younger, they simply had far less interest in drink. Social encouragment came from integrarion with older adults, in the workplace. Not pressure from other youth. No one then rebelled against adults, by drinking alcohol like adults, its a stupid media trope, doesn't even make sense. 

They recall going to music venues, where bands played, and no alcohol was served. At the age of about 20-ish. Though its not like they were anti-drink, its just that its importance to youth was overstated, even back then. 

I don't care about the age of consent. No science saw it raised to 18, in Victorian times. Existing anti-paedophile legislation in GB, was appropriated to discourage the prostitution of adolescent females.

The use of the word 'consent' in the legislation, is a spandrel from an earlier time, when the same law really did attempt to distinguish minors capable of consent, from those who are not.

The idea that childhood ends at 12 or 13, is normal in trafitional Germanic cultures, and in others of the Eurooean & Mediterranean culture group, such as the Jewish. And the fact/belief underlies the age of consent in traditional Europe, Latin America etc.

As for the end of adolescence, which lacks dramatic markers ewuivalent to puberty, the usual point is 25 or close by. Arguments for 25 are varied and include the 'final' growth of bone and muscle mass, the point the brain 'stops growing', and the first decline of female fertility.

There ate problems with generalising all of these to 25,which is just a midpoint for the 20-30 age cohort. But whilst people are adults by age 30, they are still adolescent at tge age of around 20. For example, they are still more impulsive in 'hot' situations, thecsame way a 15 year old is.

So... I do think his young age is important.

I wrote this short piece as a zoologist, not too long ago. 

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To a zoologist, puberty is the state of having reached fertility, ie. biological adulthood. This is measured as menarche in women, and semenarche in men. It is driven by endocrine phenomena. 

In medical science, it is the sequence of bodily and psychological changes, associated with the shift to adulthood. These are called the secondary sexual characteristics. Properly, this process is biological adolescence.

Childhood properly ends at age ~6 and juvenility ('middle childhood') at ~11. Humans have very altricial neonates, followed by a transition from infancy, to childhood, to juvenility, on to their teenage years and adulthood. Other apes have less altricial infants, and altriciality is short lived, growing directly into the juvenile stage.

Mammals typically have a short adolescence, whereas humans have a long period following juvenility. Usually its duration is reckoned by the shift to parenting role. Culture as well as biology thus influence the extent of human adolescence as a maturation period. 

Adolescence doesn't have a neat end. Youth, a vernacular proxy for adolescence, is said to end at 25, based on osteological growth, and that of the brain. In truth, these tissues and organs change throughout life, and are subject to individual variation, through hereditary and environmental factors. So 25 is cited only as a midpoint, betwen ages 21-30.

The twenties are a decade of human growth, in which these changes do happen, but not in some neat fashion; thus the teens become adults, with a non-demarkable fizzle, rather than a detectable bang. Little suggests age 25 per se, a case in point being the supposed drop in female fertility at thr age of 25, which occurs more commonly, a bit closer to age 30.

Absolutely nothing endorses anything special about the culturally and legally significant ages, of 18 and 21. Nor the age of 20 years, which is significant only as an artifact of decimal counting. Human height is usually matured before age 20, but other anatomical growth continues. n fact, the muscular mass of male athletes, peaks as late as somewhere between 30-40, and that of women, between 20-30.