Stop buying Sinovac, medical expert tells government

[mcambl61]

  On 7/23/2021 at 8:53 AM, riclag said:

Just recently the WHO wanted to come to investigate the origin of the virus in Wuhun ! Did you see the uproar it caused ! The CCP got their  made in china panties all bunched up !

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All these "world" agencies are woefully corrupt, bloated and useless. 

United nations, who, imf, and on and on.

Globalist nonsense. 

These all need to be reigned in and properly audited or shut down permanently. They deserve zero funding. 

[Guevara]

  On 7/23/2021 at 8:53 AM, riclag said:

Just recently the WHO wanted to come to investigate the origin of the virus in Wuhun ! Did you see the uproar it caused ! The CCP got their  made in china panties all bunched up !

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The CCP Minister for Health stated that they were 'insulted' that the WHO wanted to carry out further investigations. Nothing to hide, what's the problem? Last year, around April/May, the WHO requested inspecting the Wuhan Laboratory. The CCP said 'come back in 3 months'.

[JohninDublin]

  On 7/23/2021 at 8:53 AM, riclag said:

Just recently the WHO wanted to come to investigate the origin of the virus in Wuhun ! Did you see the uproar it caused ! The CCP got their  made in china panties all bunched up !

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The joys of living in a post-truth world. Living in countries where there is no press freedom, the only truth the locals will know, is what their gov tells them is the truth.

[mcambl61]

  On 7/23/2021 at 9:24 AM, JohninDubin said:

The joys of living in a post-truth world. Living in countries where there is no press freedom, the only truth the locals will know, is what their gov tells them is the truth.

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Yes, like leftists.... 

[Alavan]

1.6 billion Baht for 10.9 million doses. Isn't that a bit expensive? Even with brown envelopes.
They better work for that price

[JohninDublin]

  On 7/23/2021 at 9:25 AM, mcambl61 said:

Yes, like leftists.... 

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Usually when I hear someone describe others as "leftists" it usually means "Anyone that is even remotely more liberal than I am".

There is nothing leftist about China. They have become Arch-Capitalists.

[mcambl61]

  On 7/23/2021 at 9:41 AM, JohninDubin said:

Usually when I hear someone describe others as "leftists" it usually means "Anyone that is even remotely more liberal than I am".

There is nothing leftist about China. They have become Arch-Capitalists.

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The comment had nothing to do with China... So I assume you missed the point? 

It was About a "press" that reports everything to feed narratives instead of reality 

[JTCarius]

  On 7/23/2021 at 4:20 AM, AlexPTY said:

10% protection is better than none, Sinovac saved billion of lives so far, you cannot just disregard it and wait for something better to come and let people die until then. pretty stupid declaration by so called medical expert. i bet he's got 2 jabs and a booster too

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Hello, Comrade Alex. Do you know what a "lemming" is?

 Please cite the source of your deluded (has a Che Guevara avatar) assertion that Sinovac saved billions of lives.

I prefer the 99 plus percent protection against death that my healthy immune system affords me without introducing some dubious Chinese junk vaccine into the equation that may interfere with my ability to produce natural antibodies.

Edited July 23, 2021 by JTCarius

[JohninDublin]

  On 7/23/2021 at 9:47 AM, mcambl61 said:

The comment had nothing to do with China... So I assume you missed the point? 

It was About a "press" that reports everything to feed narratives instead of reality 

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Why then do you apparently seem to attribute that to leftists?

[mcambl61]

  On 7/23/2021 at 10:00 AM, JohninDubin said:

Why then do you apparently seem to attribute that to leftists?

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Basic common sense, in plain sight observation and reality. 

[JohninDublin]

  On 7/23/2021 at 10:10 AM, mcambl61 said:

Basic common sense, in plain sight observation and reality. 

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I take it you have not heard of Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Rupert Murdoch, The Sun (UK), Daily Express (UK), Daily Mail (UK), and craziest of them all, Alex Jones just to name a few?

"Basic common sense, in plain sight observation and reality." Hmmm?

[Poolie]

  On 7/23/2021 at 8:20 AM, JohninDubin said:

Suspicion of a glaring anomaly in a country where the gov's need to save face is paramount? I don't think so.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200608/Cremation-numbers-reveal-possible-suppression-of-true-COVID-19-data-in-China.aspx

https://time.com/5813628/china-coronavirus-statistics-wuhan/

China is a capitalist country that still calls itself Communist because to change from from the CCP would be an admission of the failure and harm that Communism did to the country. 

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All as reported by the Western press, not at all impartial. "Possible suppression?'

Time magazine, based in New York.

[JohninDublin]

  On 7/23/2021 at 10:17 AM, Poolie said:

All as reported by the Western press, not at all impartial. "Possible suppression?'

Time magazine, based in New York.

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And who's indulging in conspiracy theories now?

Whatever the situation you care to name, I can give you a reason why someone may be biased. Of course that does mean they are biased. Best of all, I don't even need to believe my own allegations.

This is reminiscent of the situation where a mother gives alibi evidence for her son in court, and the lawyer says to her. "But of course you would say that because you are his mother"

The fact that someone MAY be biased does not automatically prove that they are lying. As I implied, it is easy to claim bias, but it is a lot harder to prove dishonesty. Who's to say you are not employed by the Chinese gov on a damage limitation PR job?

As far as Time is concerned, it is a respected publication of long standing  with a record of publishing corrections in the next edition when these are brought to their attention. They value journalistic integrity.

I think that the evidence is, that it is you who is indulging in CT's

[mcambl61]

  On 7/23/2021 at 10:16 AM, JohninDubin said:

I take it you have not heard of Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Rupert Murdoch, The Sun (UK), Daily Express (UK), Daily Mail (UK), and craziest of them all, Alex Jones just to name a few?

"Basic common sense, in plain sight observation and reality." Hmmm?

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Rush is no longer with us, sadly. 

I take it that you don't want to accept the fact that all these are vastly outnumbered by the plethora of mainstream obviously Uber leftist media by a ratio of at least 8 to 1.

Leftists run all these:

The vacuous guardian, BBC (all their news channels) , NBC, CBS, ABC, msnbc, CNN, the NY times, Washington post, npr, Google, fake book, twatter, YouTube, USA today, PBS.  Add to that almost every EU news stations and publishers. Then add most of the leftists who control the Canadian government run "news". 

Horribly biased, even more so by what they do not or refuse to report. ON PURPOSE. 

But then, that is obvious enough for most people. It's why they are losing viewers and listeners. 

[JohninDublin]

  On 7/23/2021 at 6:29 AM, Poolie said:

True they could but a fifth of the world does already read/write Mandarin so it begs the question why should they?

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Actually, it's nearer to about 1/7th. About 70% of Chinese speak Mandarin, there being many other dialects still spoken. The others are in decline, as Mandarin is the only dialect taught in schools.

[gummy]

  On 7/23/2021 at 8:59 AM, mcambl61 said:

All these "world" agencies are woefully corrupt, bloated and useless. 

United nations, who, imf, and on and on.

Globalist nonsense. 

These all need to be reigned in and properly audited or shut down permanently. They deserve zero funding. 

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Not to mention the IOC, FIFA, WCC etc etc who's member's are only interested in their own benefits.

[EmperorOfNothingness]

1 - Sinovav appears to provide minimal protection against the "first generation" of the COV-19 but we do not know what protection it might offer to the Latest "Delta"  and upcoming variants.

2 - If you cannot receive the Astrazeneca or Pfizer vaccines at this time...  DO take the Chinese Sinovac ASAP.  You can Always safely receive Other types of vaccines (Mix them).  That is the Best Path..  It is the Safest Path.

3 - It is safer to receive any available vaccinations, than to Wait for a specific one.

4 - Get Plenty of sunshine each day... even if it is cloudy...   for at least 20 minutes each day.

5 - Get some "Bitter of the Most Bitter Herb"  plant and chew the Stems for a while.

6 - one the side ...  Brown envelopes FULL of gifts... have been delivered from around 2010 onwards..  It is a tradition in the Far-East (even among the CP and yellow berds).

Again:   Get Vaccinated ASAP..   Mix as you can --- THAT will enhance your immunity.

Live Long and Prosper (and/or perspire) 

May ALL Beings be Happy.

[HolyCowCm]

  On 7/23/2021 at 4:20 AM, AlexPTY said:

10% protection is better than none, Sinovac saved billion of lives so far, you cannot just disregard it and wait for something better to come and let people die until then. pretty stupid declaration by so called medical expert. i bet he's got 2 jabs and a booster too

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I wouldn't jab it, but I think the same in a sense. Because there is no vaccine, if they kept it to use on people who are seriously ill with Covid then at least it might be able to help that way.

[HolyCowCm]

  On 7/23/2021 at 9:14 AM, Guevara said:

The CCP Minister for Health stated that they were 'insulted' that the WHO wanted to carry out further investigations. Nothing to hide, what's the problem? Last year, around April/May, the WHO requested inspecting the Wuhan Laboratory. The CCP said 'come back in 3 months'.

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They say how dare you to everyone about everything. Funny how they act like the minority and act like they are always being attacked or persecuted, when it is just the opposite. 

[EmperorOfNothingness]

Chew on, or make a tea from ANDROGRAPHIS PANICULATA

It Grows everywhere in SE Asia... and is available on ebay, etc....  The stems are very good to chew on or make into a tea....   The Bitter Chemicals in the Plant WILL HELP with COVID symptoms...  If you must...Use the leaves as well.

All the Best

[JohninDublin]

  On 7/23/2021 at 10:58 AM, mcambl61 said:

Rush is no longer with us, sadly. 

I take it that you don't want to accept the fact that all these are vastly outnumbered by the plethora of mainstream obviously Uber leftist media by a ratio of at least 8 to 1.

Leftists run all these:

The vacuous guardian, BBC (all their news channels) , NBC, CBS, ABC, msnbc, CNN, the NY times, Washington post, npr, Google, fake book, twatter, YouTube, USA today, PBS.  Add to that almost every EU news stations and publishers. Then add most of the leftists who control the Canadian government run "news". 

Horribly biased, even more so by what they do not or refuse to report. ON PURPOSE. 

But then, that is obvious enough for most people. It's why they are losing viewers and listeners. 

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Limbaugh will not be missed by myself.

Ah yes! The BBC. Ask anyone with an agenda, and they will all tell you about the bias at the Beeb. Mens groups will tell you that it is pro-feminist. Women's groups will tell you that it is misogynistic. The Right will tell you that it's a hotbed of socialism. The Left will tell you that it is a mouthpiece for the Tory Party. The poor will tell you it's it extremely middle class, the middle class will claim to be victimised by them, while the rich will tell you it's against them. Then there are those who consider it to be elitist, while the elite complain that the the BBC hate them.

What do you make of that then? My take on that is that if the BBC do act like this, then it is difficult to justify any claims of bias. It seems that they hate everybody equally.

I take it you no longer maintain the implication that media bias is leftist?

Regardless, I will revert to my earlier comment, "Usually when I hear someone describe others as "leftists" it usually means "Anyone that is even remotely more liberal than I am".

I am sure that if Attila the Hun, and Genghis Khan were to ever meet, the debate would eventually change to who was the more "leftist" when they swapped stories. 

The problem is that "leftist" has now become a pejorative term especially in the US. I think that many non-Americans who've given this any consideration,might think maybe 98% of Americans are Conservatives by most people's standards. The only thing that really divides is that some are Conservatives with a conscience and these are the people being called leftists.

[EmperorOfNothingness]

1 - Sinovac appears to provide minimal protection against the "first generation" of the COV-19 but we do not know what protection it might offer to the Latest "Delta"  and upcoming variants.

2 - If you cannot receive the Astrazeneca or Pfizer vaccines at this time...  DO take the Sinovac ASAP.  You can Always safely receive Other types of vaccines (Mix them).  That is the Best Path..  It is the Safest Path.

3 - It is safer to receive ANY of the available vaccinations, than to Wait for a specific one.

4 - Get Plenty of sunshine each day... even if it is cloudy...   for at least 20 minutes each day.

5 -  Get some "Bitter of the Most Bitter Herb"  plant and chew the Stems for a while.  Chew on, or make a tea from ANDROGRAPHIS PANICULATA.  It Grows everywhere in SE Asia... and is available on ebay, etc....  The stems are very good to chew on or make into a tea....   The Bitter Chemicals in the Plant WILL HELP with COVID symptoms...  If you must...Use the leaves as well.

6 - On the dark side ...  Brown envelopes FULL of gifts... have been delivered from around 2010 onwards..  It is a tradition in the Far-East (even among the 'CP' and yellow berds).

Again:   Get Vaccinated ASAP..   Mix as you can --- THAT will enhance your immunity.

Live Long and Prosper (and/or perspire) 

May ALL Beings be Happy.

[mcambl61]

  On 7/23/2021 at 11:31 AM, JohninDubin said:

Limbaugh will not be missed by myself.

Ah yes! The BBC. Ask anyone with an agenda, and they will all tell you about the bias at the Beeb. Mens groups will tell you that it is pro-feminist. Women's groups will tell you that it is misogynistic. The Right will tell you that it's a hotbed of socialism. The Left will tell you that it is a mouthpiece for the Tory Party. The poor will tell you it's it extremely middle class, the middle class will claim to be victimised by them, while the rich will tell you it's against them. Then there are those who consider it to be elitist, while the elite complain that the the BBC hate them.

What do you make of that then? My take on that is that if the BBC do act like this, then it is difficult to justify any claims of bias. It seems that they hate everybody equally.

I take it you no longer maintain the implication that media bias is leftist?

Regardless, I will revert to my earlier comment, "Usually when I hear someone describe others as "leftists" it usually means "Anyone that is even remotely more liberal than I am".

I am sure that if Attila the Hun, and Genghis Khan were to ever meet, the debate would eventually change to who was the more "leftist" when they swapped stories. 

The problem is that "leftist" has now become a pejorative term especially in the US. I think that many non-Americans who've given this any consideration,might think maybe 98% of Americans are Conservatives by most people's standards. The only thing that really divides is that some are Conservatives with a conscience and these are the people being called leftists.

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Limbaugh was great. Never feared the lunacy of the liberal progressive hive. 

Obviously, you are a leftist, so you're not making any sense or dealing with reality that the majority of the mainstream media is staffed, owned and run by leftists. They love the status quo as do their wall street backers. 

And of course, as all leftists do, you throw in the standard virtue signaling self praise that you are somehow better, because you have a "conscience" 

Pure drivel. 

The left has ruined practically everything they touch. The largesse of the bloated unaccountable governments on both sides of pond is the result.  But then, massive taxes are a great thing, in your world, because you have a "conscience" 

Edited July 23, 2021 by mcambl61

[dimitri]

  On 7/23/2021 at 4:54 AM, Poolie said:

All relevant info is freely available on the net. Nobody's fault that no-one speaks/reads Mandarin.

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News in Mandarin is, considering the "freedom of press" in China, probably not the most reliable news source.

From reliable sources, different sources, from different countries, we learned that Chinese vaccines do not work. It's with almost everything from China. You open the box and it looks nice. A week later it is broken. With vaccines it is the same. It looked nice in the beginning, but they do not work.

[Poolie]

  On 7/23/2021 at 10:41 AM, JohninDubin said:

And who's indulging in conspiracy theories now?

Whatever the situation you care to name, I can give you a reason why someone may be biased. Of course that does mean they are biased. Best of all, I don't even need to believe my own allegations.

This is reminiscent of the situation where a mother gives alibi evidence for her son in court, and the lawyer says to her. "But of course you would say that because you are his mother"

The fact that someone MAY be biased does not automatically prove that they are lying. As I implied, it is easy to claim bias, but it is a lot harder to prove dishonesty. Who's to say you are not employed by the Chinese gov on a damage limitation PR job?

As far as Time is concerned, it is a respected publication of long standing  with a record of publishing corrections in the next edition when these are brought to their attention. They value journalistic integrity.

I think that the evidence is, that it is you who is indulging in CT's

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Ah the accusation. It wasn't long in coming.

Good night.