Friday Covid Update: 14,575 new cases and 114 deaths

[Thaiger]

The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration recorded another 14,575 new Covid-19 cases and 114 coronavirus-related deaths. In the latest and most severe wave of the virus in Thailand, first recorded on April 1, the CCSA has reported 438,844 confirmed infections. Over the past week, daily infections have exceeded 10,000. The uptick was expected by the CCSA due to the emergence of the highly transmissible Delta variant. Out of the new cases recorded today, 1,072 were found in correctional facilities. The latest wave of infections spread to Thailand’s overcrowded prisons, infecting more than 40,000 inmates. A Covid-19 outbreak was recently reported […]

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[AussieBob]

This is going up way faster than I thought it would.  So sad for the ordinary Thais.

 

[AdamX]

Cases mean little.

How many deaths from covid, not with covid?

How many were seriously symptomatic?

Why are we not demanding this clarity?

[gummy]

25 minutes ago, AdamX said:

Cases mean little.

How many deaths from covid, not with covid?

How many were seriously symptomatic?

Why are we not demanding this clarity?

Simply put "This is Thailand" do not expect government clarity and transparency 

[bushav8r]

26 minutes ago, AdamX said:

Cases mean little.

How many deaths from covid, not with covid?

How many were seriously symptomatic?

Why are we not demanding this clarity?

The numbers seem clear to me.

[stuhan]

Yup just the start of it,same pattern as other countries experienced .I expect to see 20000 by end of the month and rising further .

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by stuhan

[Bangkok_Gary]

The number of new cases is increasing by about 5% per day. That gives a doubling time of two weeks. So there could be 30,000 new cases a day two weeks from now.

[gummy]

1 minute ago, Bangkok_Gary said:

The number of new cases is increasing by about 5% per day. That gives a doubling time of two weeks. So there could be 30,000 new cases a day two weeks from now.

or 64,000+ per day after 1 month if the rate of increase remains at 5% per day

[Henryford]

1 hour ago, AdamX said:

Cases mean little.

How many deaths from covid, not with covid?

How many were seriously symptomatic?

Why are we not demanding this clarity?

That's the stat you will never see quoted. How many of the 4000 deaths were in their 80s or with other serious illnesses?

[Objectivance]

2 minutes ago, Henryford said:

That's the stat you will never see quoted. How many of the 4000 deaths were in their 80s or with other serious illnesses?

Considering the amount of respiratory issues that older people 50+, in BKK, probably have, constantly, it wouldn't surprise me if respiratory related deaths were on average 1000% higher on any given day. The AQI in BKK has been between red and dark purple consistently for a decade. Mostly attributed to mfg. 

[gummy]

Just now, Objectivance said:

Considering the amount of respiratory issues that older people 50+, in BKK, probably have, constantly, it wouldn't surprise me if respiratory related deaths were on average 1000% higher on any given day. The AQI in BKK has been between red and dark purple consistently for a decade. Mostly attributed to mfg. 

I expect you are on the right lines. Moved out of Bangkok years ago as to expose young children and others to what is known as an area of very high levels of pollution is not a good idea if it can be avoided.

[HuaHinHappy]

12 minutes ago, Henryford said:

That's the stat you will never see quoted. How many of the 4000 deaths were in their 80s or with other serious illnesses?

Careful. You may not get the results you are hoping for.  Yes,  Covid is more deadly in the elderly, but it isn't appropriate to compare some countries with what we have seen in the west. That is because Thailand has different demographics.

- Life expectancy is lower in Thailand than in countries like Italy, France, Denmark.

- Thailand has a larger proportion of poor people. Thailand's poor cannot afford to socially distance, let alone access proper sanitation.  Easy to social distance in a big house , not so easy when you share a room and toilet with 7. It's the poor who work the service and food processing jobs and who are most exposed to infection.

Thailand only classifies someone dead from Covid19 when there is a medical exam that identifies the infection as being present and the cause of death. I expect that a great many people in the rural areas  are not being included in the  death tally.

[gummy]

5 minutes ago, HuaHinHappy said:

Careful. You may not get the results you are hoping for.  Yes,  Covid is more deadly in the elderly, but it isn't appropriate to compare some countries with what we have seen in the west. That is because Thailand has different demographics.

- Life expectancy is lower in Thailand than in countries like Italy, France, Denmark.

- Thailand has a larger proportion of poor people. Thailand's poor cannot afford to socially distance, let alone access proper sanitation.  Easy to social distance in a big house , not so easy when you share a room and toilet with 7. It's the poor who work the service and food processing jobs and who are most exposed to infection.

Thailand only classifies someone dead from Covid19 when there is a medical exam that identifies the infection as being present and the cause of death. I expect that a great many people in the rural areas  are not being included in the  death tally.

Another statistic is that the median age in Thailand is lower than say the UK, a country with a comparable population total. But also to offset your very valid point that generally there are more to a household here due to poorer people, it has also almost a 60% rural population and whilst they may be large family groups in one property, families are not concentrated into densely populated metropolitan areas.

[AdamX]

1 hour ago, bushav8r said:

The numbers seem clear to me.

How are these tests done? 

Are people just walking into hospitals and testing at their own expense?

Are all hospitals admissions being tested automatically?

What is the PCR threshold cycle being used?

How many are asymptomatic?

How many have serious symptoms?

How many people have the flu?

How many of these cases are already vaccinated

All we know are two numbers—there is zero context, so we cannot respond rationally.

The number is clear—the meaning is not

[EdwardV]

This is sad on so many levels, hope it gets better sooner than later. I see a full lockdown coming. 

[tigress]

12 minutes ago, gummy said:

Another statistic is that the median age in Thailand is lower than say the UK, a country with a comparable population total. But also to offset your very valid point that generally there are more to a household here due to poorer people, it has also almost a 60% rural population and whilst they may be large family groups in one property, families are not concentrated into densely populated metropolitan areas.

In my school we were taught that statistic is the worst liar.

You have to see the number of tests compared to active tests.

If Thailand started to test as in Europe probably the number of positive cases would exceed 100,000/day

 

[gummy]

3 minutes ago, tigress said:

In my school we were taught that statistic is the worst liar.

You have to see the number of tests compared to active tests.

If Thailand started to test as in Europe probably the number of positive cases would exceed 100,000/day

I entirely agree with you

[AdamX]

56 minutes ago, Henryford said:

That's the stat you will never see quoted. How many of the 4000 deaths were in their 80s or with other serious illnesses?

Great point I forgot to add

Your proposed stat is another extremely important omission. Ages and co morbidities never stated.

Im not anti vax.

Im not denying that a disease exists.

Im simply asking that we be allowed to ask questions.

Freedom is too important to be left in the hands of a politician

[Guevara]

21 minutes ago, gummy said:

Another statistic is that the median age in Thailand is lower than say the UK, a country with a comparable population total. But also to offset your very valid point that generally there are more to a household here due to poorer people, it has also almost a 60% rural population and whilst they may be large family groups in one property, families are not concentrated into densely populated metropolitan areas.

In addition, the UK is averaging over 1 million tests per day, every day so it's inevitable that they are going to identify more positive cases. The rocketing figures, same as the rest (or most) of the world is the Delta variant.

[think-and-ask]

1. bars are closed and restaurants
2. and travel restricted, for months.
3. around 90 % of closed places, not have much people for months.
4. most thai people, wear mask, and almost all the time.
5. " virus " ( what ever this is ), not like hot " climate ", as in thailand. and
-
6. thai people are much healthier then westerns, at least in the past,
but some 100 000 are sick this year, and daily around 15 000,
because " infected " ( new cases of, pcr or rapid -test, tested people ) ?
-
a. people who still, believe ( what is never to know,
same when you read or hear science, because you never checked it by yourself ),
numbers on tv /T-ell a V-vision, with governments and ngo, with institutions,
must have a education out of school education, or a very good paid " job ".
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b. all people in the world, not have to know much,
( how all virus checks work, how was proved, dangerous virus exist,
how old and mRna vaccines works ),
to see, this is a show ( unrealistic rise of numbers ).
-
same for, health care = give pain killers, not find the source of a problem,
as in all live areas. and governments with news, experts and lobbyists,
take money by using fear, not give education in a democracy of million people.
it is "that" simple.
-
c. for what ? distract most people,
when building a new life order for countries,
why ? people got too free, to stay positive = less control, about ?
energy of people, an very unknown topic for most people.
 

Edited July 23, 2021 by think-and-ask

[THETRUTH]

2 hours ago, AdamX said:

Cases mean little.

How many deaths from covid, not with covid?

How many were seriously symptomatic?

Why are we not demanding this clarity?

Why do you think that doctors should waste time, in this dire situation, to closely examine dead bodies in order to figure out which of the multiple factors was the primary cause and which merely comorbities?

That's just silly.

Besides it is better for the statistical correctness to keep the criteria the same throughout the pandemic. Time for analysis comes later.

[AdamX]

1 hour ago, THETRUTH said:

Why do you think that doctors should waste time, in this dire situation, to closely examine dead bodies in order to figure out which of the multiple factors was the primary cause and which merely comorbities?

That's just silly.

Besides it is better for the statistical correctness to keep the criteria the same throughout the pandemic. Time for analysis comes later.

1. Determining the cause of death is not rocket science—especially for chronic disease and accidents.

2. Assigning the death to C19, instead of the flu, car accident, heart attack, cancer, diabetes, liver disease is not a time saving exercise—its an outright lie that only serves to fuel the public panic.

3. Statistical correctness—this is an oxomoron if the data is invalid

I respect that these details are not important to you—but they are crucial if we are to construct effective responses to the pandemic,

It is for these reasons that we never used "died with influenza" as cause of death in the past?

[Bobalong]

2 hours ago, AdamX said:

How are these tests done? 

Are people just walking into hospitals and testing at their own expense?

Are all hospitals admissions being tested automatically?

What is the PCR threshold cycle being used?

How many are asymptomatic?

How many have serious symptoms?

How many people have the flu?

How many of these cases are already vaccinated

All we know are two numbers—there is zero context, so we cannot respond rationally.

The number is clear—the meaning is not

There are many unanswered questions, of which, these are only a few. The reason is that it goes against the MSM agenda. Their propaganda cannot be challenged on most social media platforms, therefore, it is difficult to get a true picture unless you do your own research from more reliable sources not under their influence. 

You can't have a proper debate unless all parties have freedom of speech and expression without censorship. As my father used to say, 'Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers'. A statement more true today than ever it was.

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

[JohninDublin]

In case nobody noticed, that's the second straight day of 13 new infections on Phuket. It looks as if the 90 case per week threshold may soon be breached.

[gummy]

1 minute ago, JohninDubin said:

In case nobody noticed, that's the second straight day of 13 new infections on Phuket. It looks as if the 90 case per week threshold may soon be breached.

Well maybe lies and greed will impact those figures not to mention their overriding desire for them to save face, as time goes on.